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legendary
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April 07, 2016, 09:10:56 AM
That is why TRUMP needs to win for all the people who are tired of those private companies called the GOP and the DNC. We are seeing the first sign of a real attempt. No future elections will be the same, unless Them Those People keep numbing down We The People.

Funny...The Donald could put all this squawking to a ironclad definitive end with just one negotiation in July: Ted Cruz as is VP in exchange for Cruz delivering all his delegates to Trump on the second ballot. One single deal done, and Mr. Trump walks away with a second-ballot victory that's damn near unanimous.

One single deal...


Cruz is not stupid enough to see he's the pawn used to stop TRUMP. Once his mission is done he will be discarded.

The Art of the Deal...


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April 06, 2016, 10:23:09 PM
You sure? Doubt he will bring that type of change if he gets in office. He benefited from the system all his life. Why change it now? I believe reason why the establishment doesn't want trump in power is because they can't control him. Not like most other politicians. He looks like a loose cannon to them. Saying whatever is convenient for him at the time. But that doesn't mean he is very different from the rest of the establishment. Or the other donors and owners. How many politicians has he personally bought for example? And what did he ask of them?

Really?  We have the loose cannon in office right now.  He is called Obama.

There is another looser cannon waiting.  That's called Hillary.

I think what you mean to say is Trump isn't "Their loose cannon."

Agreed. Obama and clinton are bought and paid for. Nothing much will come out of them. And trump isn't the establishment's loose cannon. Sure. But the distinction I'm trying to make is that it may not matter. It doesn't make much difference, if he thinks and acts like the owners of the system anyway. Because he is one of them.


Why would one of them be targeted by them, if he is one of them?

GOP: 565M for negative campaign against TRUMP so far.


 

Because they can't control him. Because he is taking over the republican party for himself. He is changing the discourse on too many issues they like to use to distract people. Etc. But that doesn't mean he will change how the system works. Not to the point you were saying. Will he do anything about corruption in politics? The way corporations control the government? About people like him being able to buy politicians? Or exploit the system? About democratic and republican parties serving the interests of a few people instead of all americans?
legendary
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April 06, 2016, 10:02:34 PM
Just wondering, is anyone here openly supporting Trump's decision to deport Mexicans? If so, why? I am not trying to judge the views or demands. I would just like to understand them. Not fight them, just understand them. Please quote and respond to me with your views if you are indeed a Trump supporter.

I am (and I am a Trump supporter.)

Reading your post... it sounds more like you do not support deporting illegals at all... only in the case of t...

Yeah, here the way they get agreement on that is to agree on "felonies."

Unfortunately a lot of felonies are not the major crimes they used to be.

But it's widely recognized there's a problem with murderers and violent criminals going back and forth across the border.  Remember, these people terrorize the illegal mexican population more than they terrorize the US citizens, because it is in those communities they live.

Because of this I believe it's just political theatre, all the nonsense people are saying a la "Fear the Trump Plan."

I almost said 'crimes' rather than 'significant criminal activity' because being in the U.S. illegally is in and of itself a crime.  That would be weasely and I am serious about wanting to keep a good number of the 'illegals' who had the gumption to get off their asses and make it here.  Lots of them did it for basically the right set of reasons just as did my ancestors who certainly didn't come here for the welfare state bennies.

If there was a reasonable way to lose the native born rejects (e.g., moloch who I presume is an American of a certain cohort since he acts like it) it would be nice to be able to do it.  As it is, those who programmed his type will probably take care of the dirty deed for us if they win.  If not they'll at least use his class as a pawn in the attempt and many will fall that way or wise up.

Speaking of criminals terrorizing people, it does tend to happen within cultural ethnic groups of immigrants.  For one thing, they know the community and know who has money.  For another, law enforcement takes less action if the crimes impact 'old timers' less.  The 'Asian gangs' in Portland were brutal for a short while and a large part of their criminality was to the detriment of other SE Asians.  I was asking a 'boat person' friend of mine what was up with that and why it went away.  He said that they tended to be ethnic Chinese from around the Haiphong and Hanoi area and were utterly vicious.  They got deported quickly if they got caught so most of them shaped up or shipped out.

legendary
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April 06, 2016, 08:48:20 PM
That is why TRUMP needs to win for all the people who are tired of those private companies called the GOP and the DNC. We are seeing the first sign of a real attempt. No future elections will be the same, unless Them Those People keep numbing down We The People.

Funny...The Donald could put all this squawking to a ironclad definitive end with just one negotiation in July: Ted Cruz as is VP in exchange for Cruz delivering all his delegates to Trump on the second ballot. One single deal done, and Mr. Trump walks away with a second-ballot victory that's damn near unanimous.

One single deal...
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April 06, 2016, 01:12:09 PM
What becomes of Rubio´s delegates? I think he had like 170 when he dropped out. Will that be booked to someone at the convention or earlier?


He said he does not want to release them in the famous Untied States letter
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274653-rubio-misspells-united-states-in-letter-to-alaska-gop


Tucker Carlson: GOP Elites and Donors Cannot Pick Nominee - It's Up to the Voters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srb5QIBQneo




Yes of course I remember that letter now. Maybe he wants to have it up his sleeve for bargaining. VP maybe. They´ll accept Trump, force Rubio on him and then try to shoot Trump. Or maybe they´ll manhandle Jeb Bush in there. Ronald Reagan was lucky to escape with his life when Old Bush was one heartbeat away from the presidency.
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April 06, 2016, 01:05:35 PM
What becomes of Rubio´s delegates? I think he had like 170 when he dropped out. Will that be booked to someone at the convention or earlier?


He said he does not want to release them in the famous Untied States letter
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274653-rubio-misspells-united-states-in-letter-to-alaska-gop


Tucker Carlson: GOP Elites and Donors Cannot Pick Nominee - It's Up to the Voters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Srb5QIBQneo


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April 06, 2016, 12:59:52 PM
What becomes of Rubio´s delegates? I think he had like 170 when he dropped out. Will that be booked to someone at the convention or earlier?
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April 06, 2016, 09:00:11 AM
Huffington Post reported a zinger... Koch brothers plan to nominate Paul Ryan as the Republican nominee

They know how to buy an election... Probably isn't the first time...

http://www.huffpost.com/us/entry/charles-koch-paul-ryan-nomination_us_57029099e4b083f5c6082b95

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Charles Koch is confident House Speaker Paul Ryan could emerge from the Republican National Convention as the party’s nominee if Donald Trump comes up at least 100 delegates shy, he has told friends privately.

Koch believes Ryan would be a “shoo-in” at a contested convention, should the campaign get to that point....


That is why TRUMP needs to win for all the people who are tired of those private companies called the GOP and the DNC. We are seeing the first sign of a real attempt. No future elections will be the same, unless Them Those People keep numbing down We The People.

 Smiley

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April 05, 2016, 10:35:02 PM
Huffington Post reported a zinger... Koch brothers plan to nominate Paul Ryan as the Republican nominee

They know how to buy an election... Probably isn't the first time...

http://www.huffpost.com/us/entry/charles-koch-paul-ryan-nomination_us_57029099e4b083f5c6082b95

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Charles Koch is confident House Speaker Paul Ryan could emerge from the Republican National Convention as the party’s nominee if Donald Trump comes up at least 100 delegates shy, he has told friends privately.

Koch believes Ryan would be a “shoo-in” at a contested convention, should the campaign get to that point....
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April 05, 2016, 08:28:06 PM
I loved the clip where Trump advocates punishing a WOMAN for having an abortion

He did retract his statement the next day, claiming the doctor should go to jail, not the woman... but the video and transcript are quite clear about what he said... its obvious his campaign team advised him to recant his statement...

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/30/trump_some_form_of_punishment_for_women_if_abortion_becomes_illegal.html

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MATTHEWS: Should the woman be punished? For having an abortion?

...(trump dodging the question like an expert, going to far as to challenge the host about his own religious beliefs)...

MATTHEWS: The churches make their moral judgments, but you’re running for President of the United States to become Chief Executive of the United States. Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principle?

TRUMP: The answer is there has to be some form of punishment.

MATTHEWS: For the woman?

TRUMP: Yes.

MATTHEWS: 10 cents, 10 years, what?

TRUMP: I don’t know. That I don’t know.

MATTHEWS: Well why not, you take positions on everything else.


FYI, Trump used to be vocally pro-choice... Now that he is campaigning for the republican nomination, he changed his views to be more republican... but he doesn't understand the details, like not sending women to prison for having an abortion...
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April 05, 2016, 07:05:31 PM
Just wondering, is anyone here openly supporting Trump's decision to deport Mexicans? If so, why? I am not trying to judge the views or demands. I would just like to understand them. Not fight them, just understand them. Please quote and respond to me with your views if you are indeed a Trump supporter.

I am (and I am a Trump supporter.)

Reading your post... it sounds more like you do not support deporting illegals at all... only in the case of them being criminals, which everyone can agree upon... nobody is arguing for illegals who are also criminals to stay here... those always get deported/extradited

If you support letting them stay when they have an anchor baby, or if they are benign, or if they have useful talents/skills... then you support letting them stay, not deporting them... hate to break it to ya
For me personally, I wouldn't deport criminals unless they committed malum in se vs. malum prohibitum. Then the culprit would have committed a dangerous evil crime as opposed to a regulatory infraction. I'm not gonna take thousands of dollars to deport a shoplifter. Especially if they only did it once or twice and never did it again. It's just not happening. I would much rather try deporting all the murderers no matter what race they happen to be.

Yeah, here the way they get agreement on that is to agree on "felonies."

Unfortunately a lot of felonies are not the major crimes they used to be.

But it's widely recognized there's a problem with murderers and violent criminals going back and forth across the border.  Remember, these people terrorize the illegal mexican population more than they terrorize the US citizens, because it is in those communities they live.

Because of this I believe it's just political theatre, all the nonsense people are saying a la "Fear the Trump Plan."
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April 05, 2016, 06:57:54 PM
Trump reveals plan to finance Mexico border wall with threat to cut off funds


Billionaire Republican frontrunner Donald Trump has finally revealed how he plans to force Mexico to pay for his multibillion-dollar wall along the US southern border, a linchpin of his presidential campaign that has never been fully detailed before.

The key to the wall’s financing, Trump wrote in a two-page memo to the Washington Post, is threatening to halt money transfers from Mexican immigrants in the US to family back home. These remittances amount to nearly $25bn each year, roughly 2% of the Mexican gross domestic product, according to the World Bank. Cutting off these money transfers could doom the Mexican economy to recession and severely damage diplomatic relations.

“It’s an easy decision for Mexico,” Trump wrote in the memo, written on campaign stationary emblazoned with his “Make America Great Again!” motto. “Make a one-time payment of $5-$10bn to ensure that $24bn continues to flow into their country year after year.”

Trump has previously estimated the cost of building the wall at $8bn.

In the memo, entitled Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall, Trump said that on the first day of his presidency he would warn the Mexican government of a new regulation that would allow for the government’s seizure of financial assets by immigrants unless they provide documentation establishing “lawful presence in the United States”. According to Trump, “the majority” of the amount sent as remittances comes from undocumented migrants.

The feasibility and legality of such a maneuver is unclear. “Trump is giving an extremely broad definition of this section of the Patriot Act and what it allows, and it’d surely be litigated,” Stuart Anderson, executive director of the National Foundation for American Policy, told the Washington Post. “It would be a large expansion beyond what the text reads.”

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/05/donald-trump-mexico-border-wall-plan-remittances


WE HAVE JUST ONE WORD FOR YOU, Donald JOHN Trump:  BITCOIN!    Grin
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April 05, 2016, 06:29:41 PM
Just wondering, is anyone here openly supporting Trump's decision to deport Mexicans? If so, why? I am not trying to judge the views or demands. I would just like to understand them. Not fight them, just understand them. Please quote and respond to me with your views if you are indeed a Trump supporter.

I am (and I am a Trump supporter.)

Reading your post... it sounds more like you do not support deporting illegals at all... only in the case of them being criminals, which everyone can agree upon... nobody is arguing for illegals who are also criminals to stay here... those always get deported/extradited

If you support letting them stay when they have an anchor baby, or if they are benign, or if they have useful talents/skills... then you support letting them stay, not deporting them... hate to break it to ya
For me personally, I wouldn't deport criminals unless they committed malum in se vs. malum prohibitum. Then the culprit would have committed a dangerous evil crime as opposed to a regulatory infraction. I'm not gonna take thousands of dollars to deport a shoplifter. Especially if they only did it once or twice and never did it again. It's just not happening. I would much rather try deporting all the murderers no matter what race they happen to be.
legendary
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April 05, 2016, 06:01:34 PM
Trump reveals plan to finance Mexico border wall with threat to cut off funds


Billionaire Republican frontrunner Donald Trump has finally revealed how he plans to force Mexico to pay for his multibillion-dollar wall along the US southern border, a linchpin of his presidential campaign that has never been fully detailed before.

The key to the wall’s financing, Trump wrote in a two-page memo to the Washington Post, is threatening to halt money transfers from Mexican immigrants in the US to family back home. These remittances amount to nearly $25bn each year, roughly 2% of the Mexican gross domestic product, according to the World Bank. Cutting off these money transfers could doom the Mexican economy to recession and severely damage diplomatic relations.

“It’s an easy decision for Mexico,” Trump wrote in the memo, written on campaign stationary emblazoned with his “Make America Great Again!” motto. “Make a one-time payment of $5-$10bn to ensure that $24bn continues to flow into their country year after year.”

Trump has previously estimated the cost of building the wall at $8bn.

In the memo, entitled Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall, Trump said that on the first day of his presidency he would warn the Mexican government of a new regulation that would allow for the government’s seizure of financial assets by immigrants unless they provide documentation establishing “lawful presence in the United States”. According to Trump, “the majority” of the amount sent as remittances comes from undocumented migrants.

The feasibility and legality of such a maneuver is unclear. “Trump is giving an extremely broad definition of this section of the Patriot Act and what it allows, and it’d surely be litigated,” Stuart Anderson, executive director of the National Foundation for American Policy, told the Washington Post. “It would be a large expansion beyond what the text reads.”

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/05/donald-trump-mexico-border-wall-plan-remittances

Bah.  Mexicans are moving large amounts of money without any documentation. 

American citizens cannot do this, they have to report the reason for each transfer over $5000.
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April 05, 2016, 05:19:17 PM
Trump reveals plan to finance Mexico border wall with threat to cut off funds


Billionaire Republican frontrunner Donald Trump has finally revealed how he plans to force Mexico to pay for his multibillion-dollar wall along the US southern border, a linchpin of his presidential campaign that has never been fully detailed before.

The key to the wall’s financing, Trump wrote in a two-page memo to the Washington Post, is threatening to halt money transfers from Mexican immigrants in the US to family back home. These remittances amount to nearly $25bn each year, roughly 2% of the Mexican gross domestic product, according to the World Bank. Cutting off these money transfers could doom the Mexican economy to recession and severely damage diplomatic relations.

“It’s an easy decision for Mexico,” Trump wrote in the memo, written on campaign stationary emblazoned with his “Make America Great Again!” motto. “Make a one-time payment of $5-$10bn to ensure that $24bn continues to flow into their country year after year.”

Trump has previously estimated the cost of building the wall at $8bn.

In the memo, entitled Compelling Mexico to Pay for the Wall, Trump said that on the first day of his presidency he would warn the Mexican government of a new regulation that would allow for the government’s seizure of financial assets by immigrants unless they provide documentation establishing “lawful presence in the United States”. According to Trump, “the majority” of the amount sent as remittances comes from undocumented migrants.

The feasibility and legality of such a maneuver is unclear. “Trump is giving an extremely broad definition of this section of the Patriot Act and what it allows, and it’d surely be litigated,” Stuart Anderson, executive director of the National Foundation for American Policy, told the Washington Post. “It would be a large expansion beyond what the text reads.”

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/05/donald-trump-mexico-border-wall-plan-remittances
legendary
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April 05, 2016, 03:34:46 PM
Back to Bitcoin, and some legitimate concerns about Trump from a 'supporter':

I've always said that Bitcoin would explode only under pressure, and I underestimated the stratigic capabilities of our adversaries when they, for all intents and purposes, 'accepted' Bitcoin so far.

Trump could be dynamite for Bitcoin just on his own 'natural' instincts (and others which are beyond the scope of this post):

(snip)

I've been thinking along the same lines, although Bitcoin's open-ledger nature would complicate things a bit. 
legendary
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April 05, 2016, 12:21:35 PM
Back to Bitcoin, and some legitimate concerns about Trump from a 'supporter':

I've always said that Bitcoin would explode only under pressure, and I underestimated the stratigic capabilities of our adversaries when they, for all intents and purposes, 'accepted' Bitcoin so far.

Trump could be dynamite for Bitcoin just on his own 'natural' instincts (and others which are beyond the scope of this post):

  http://abcnews.go.com/Business/economic-ramifications-trumps-border-wall-proposal/story?id=38161205

The trouble is that it doesn't take a genius to see that Bitcoin (or distributed crypto-currencies generally) threaten a broad range of punitive actions requiring control of money flows.  My chief concern about Trump is that he actually does seem to be quite authoritarian, and he has not seen fit to even pay lip service to the concepts of 'freedom' or 'individual liberties.'

My support of Trump is predicated on two beliefs:

  1) The realistic alternatives to Trump are at least as bad in terms of 'individual liberties' as he is, and

  2) We are in so much trouble that there is no alternative to 'authoritarianism' just to keep people alive, and the troubles will probably come to a head in my lifetime (perhaps tomorrow.)  My hope is that it (e.g., martial law) would be limited duration and possible to escape from once the immediate need is gone, and that the vision for society that Trump has would set the stage for a re-emergence aligning in principle with the concepts outlines in our founding documents.  Again, more-so than the alternatives to Trump.

legendary
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April 05, 2016, 10:28:17 AM
Just wondering, is anyone here openly supporting Trump's decision to deport Mexicans? If so, why? I am not trying to judge the views or demands. I would just like to understand them. Not fight them, just understand them. Please quote and respond to me with your views if you are indeed a Trump supporter.

I am (and I am a Trump supporter.)

Reading your post... it sounds more like you do not support deporting illegals at all... only in the case of them being criminals, which everyone can agree upon... nobody is arguing for illegals who are also criminals to stay here... those always get deported/extradited

If you support letting them stay when they have an anchor baby, or if they are benign, or if they have useful talents/skills... then you support letting them stay, not deporting them... hate to break it to ya

I've said before that I would prefer, as fellow countrymen, many of the Mexican family people I know to many of the mentally and physically damaged, spoiled, lazy, indoctrinated, low-info losers who are native born.  As an example, note that Sanders acts like a magnet for such people.

Don't forget that people who accepted welfare of various types would probably not be allowed back in, or if they are, it would be at a lower priority.  I had thought that it was loony right-wing hyperbole that the Left was deliberately importing people who were prone to and encouraged to be dependent on the state in order to swell the ranks of Democrat voters and achieve other objectives (esp, Cloward and Piven.)  I now believe that that might be exactly what has been going on over the last 7 years.  My policy would be to reverse that.

I would feel somewhat sorry for the people who are used as pawns in the game and migrated back and forth, but they got some benefit for a while complements of my tax dollars already, and Mexico is not Hell.  If it is, they should go back and help make it better.

Edit: added link  Note: For a period of time I disregard Cloward & Piven for the sole reason that I first heard of it from the pie-hole of Glen Beck who I did and do detest.  'Agenda 21' similar.  Note to fellow 'reformed progressives' or those in the process:  A powerful strategy is to encourage or demand that people intellectually box themselves in and not explore ideas presented by those outside of a defined 'safe zone.'  Recognize and reject this for your own good and the good of society.  I think this is also the reason behind the increasingly powerful taboo against 'talking politics.'

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April 05, 2016, 10:03:51 AM
CNBC's Steve Liesman Makes A "Discovery": Americans Are Increasingly Angry And They Want Trump

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/04/2016 22:32 -0400

Earlier today, CNBC's Steve Liesman made two very important, in fact "critical", if about one year overdue, discoveries.

The first one was that Americans are angry.

According to the CNBC All-America Survey, a majority of Americans are angry about both the political and the economic system.

Perhaps if CNBC had discovered this sooner, it would have figured out that the reason it no longer reports its ratings to Nielsen has something to do with its underlying "rosy" slant on things, one which perhaps brings out people's, well, anger. That and the occasional informercial for Ferrari and million dollar homes.

The second discovery is that angry Americans largely support Trump over Hillary, something we have discussed since last summer.

As Liesman puts it, nearly three-fourths of the public is angry or dissatisfied with the political system in Washington, compared with 56 percent who are angry or dissatisfied about the economy. This group favors Trump on the economy over Clinton 28 percent to 21 percent.

.....more

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-04/cnbcs-steve-liesman-makes-discovery-americans-are-increasingly-angry-and-they-want-t




CNBC's Steve Liesman Makes A "Discovery": Americans Are Increasingly ♥♥Enlighten ♥♥ And They Want Trump



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April 05, 2016, 04:52:00 AM
CNBC's Steve Liesman Makes A "Discovery": Americans Are Increasingly Angry And They Want Trump

Submitted by Tyler Durden on 04/04/2016 22:32 -0400

Earlier today, CNBC's Steve Liesman made two very important, in fact "critical", if about one year overdue, discoveries.

The first one was that Americans are angry.

According to the CNBC All-America Survey, a majority of Americans are angry about both the political and the economic system.

Perhaps if CNBC had discovered this sooner, it would have figured out that the reason it no longer reports its ratings to Nielsen has something to do with its underlying "rosy" slant on things, one which perhaps brings out people's, well, anger. That and the occasional informercial for Ferrari and million dollar homes.

The second discovery is that angry Americans largely support Trump over Hillary, something we have discussed since last summer.

As Liesman puts it, nearly three-fourths of the public is angry or dissatisfied with the political system in Washington, compared with 56 percent who are angry or dissatisfied about the economy. This group favors Trump on the economy over Clinton 28 percent to 21 percent.

.....more

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-04/cnbcs-steve-liesman-makes-discovery-americans-are-increasingly-angry-and-they-want-t

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