Topic: Updates from the COPA v Craig Wright trial - page 6. (Read 4032 times)

I don't think that australian stock exchange would hire someone incompetent for monitoring their systems .

if the "ayres/matthews" story is to be found to be true... CSW wont have any benefactors/investors paying  him more money to pursue more cases as they have had enough of funding him if he cant prove anything legitimately

Few question arises now,

1.  Do you think that Justice Mellor will run another session of cross examination to Dr Craig Steven Wright  ?


2. What will take place next week in the Court in this COPA -v Craig Wright Case ?  
3. Is just Justice Mellor will re-read all the papers and make his judgement ?
4. After the final judgement, do you think there will appeal in the High Court or in the Supreme Court from either side who will be the loser ?
 

I think it will be a good reason for the Bitcoin Saga Drama, if the loser file an Appeal in the Higher Court.

5. What do you think  it will happen ?  Suppose Craig lost the case, and he will file an Appeal, will the High Court accept his Appeal ?

6. How about we forum members together find a solution to the problem between Crag and COPA Members ?  

7. If our collaboration bring peace and sooth running of the Blockchain industry without Craig's corporate intervention , Do you not think that will be a better solution for both side ?

 How about let Craig and Calvin and Mathew to go for a luxury holiday with 200 glamorous  Concubinos   for  the next ten years to the forbidden Island in the Indian Ocean ?  If they leave the Bitcoin Community for ten years that could be a good thing for the Bitcoin Community and for them as well,  because

8. what they will do and achieve by accumulating billions of dollars like those fiat financial elites ?  

9. Do they have heirs to pass on to their accumulated wealth as inheritance ?

10.  Do you think they can take Bitcoin in a micro chip to heaven or hell when their times ends in this mortal planet Earth to buy Champaign and Prawn Cocktail there in the here after ?

You all are greedy MF506 agents to accumulate wealth but have forgotten the Bitcoin Manifesto.  

So, I think it is time for a proper judgment by virtue of each person's performance accordingly. Justice Mellor will not be the real judge to justify this case of COPA -v- Craig Wright alone, the judgement or the outcome of this case has already been decided by the shadow board or group even before the case restart for hearing on the 5 February 2024.  This was just a showcase for media attention.  

contempt alone is a minor crime which usually is just a small fine like £100-£5k or a few days in jail...
however forgery, which affects millions of people of millions of $value can be a life sentance (note FTX)

even claiming someone broke into your house unzipped your suitcase and planted faked/stolen art in it after you packed your bags, doesnt play well when standing at a airport check-in desk.
investigations should start about a forgery, fraud case even if you claim you are not the forger. its your responsibility of your handling of the checked in items. so its not a case that things should just be passed off as whimsy, accident. it should be pursued


yes it was the "Craig then claimed the edits were for a presentation" where i thought the latex video was the presentation.. given the fact that CSW has before kept hold of different materials that show things he does that go against his 'i am satoshi' diatribe, and being more useful for background material of a future villain story

hmm now playing as a christian.. i think that will work against him if the judge is religious and see's him abusing religion to lie

also people with autism or aspergers can and do lie. the fun fact is depending on the scale. they can either not lie successfully because the lie sounds too dumb to be true or they are void of such emotion(poker face) they can get away with lying
i feel he just googled "can autistic's lie" and read "autistic's cannot lie successfully" and forgot/ignored the "successfully" end of the sentence
also, he is not vulcan


"sociopathic confidence" yep thats the word
as for the "rarely gets rattled"
he gets rattled alot actually.. even in the BBC interview about the signing session noted many rattles
and in the court this last couple weeks

however as my theory goes because he has a back-up agenda should he lose (media deals of villain story) he has less concern over a loss, where he thinks he can spin it into a money making scheme. thus less pressure in parts

i just dont think he understands the legal ramifications that could hit him once found guilty civilly as a fraud/forger. as it can and should then go to criminal court.. i think he was told by a solicitor/lawyer that civil court doesnt lead to prison.. but didnt tell him evidence found in civil can then lead to separate criminal case.. so he is day dreaming that he can do civil SLAPP cases forever, unpunished, via his investors footing the bill of lost cases.. not realising those SLAPPS can be brought against him later criminally.. and i hope he learns that lesson after march, but even more hopeful, not long after march.. like the same day of judgement


clearly he is a dummy
there is a major difference between a actor playing a role, using confidence to play the part.. even dumb actors can sound like specialist doctors on a medical tv show, if they read the right script and take producers direction

note the "signing session".. he was taking direction from his investors of what they want as proof of claims and wont payout unless he done what they wanted. EG notable bitcoiners as witness and media .. which shows he is taking direction rather than leading the direction, and he does it all for a payday and willing to keep the ruse alive as long as the money keeps rolling

there is a major difference earned knowledge and skill.. vs practiced street smarts of learning how to survive as a criminal
he lacks real knowledge about many things, (coding, law) but knows just enough street smarts to employ people to aid his antics

No, I can't imagine it. Clearly he's no dummy, but he's going up against some of the smartest people in the world, and they have managed to poke sizable holes in his story since he first started telling it. By this point the fabric of the pseudo-reality he's woven is so tattered, its barely hanging together; who knows what it will take for it to finally fall all the way apart.

But you hit the nail on the head with the sociopath part. That is just one "ability" that most people can never achieve, because our brains are fully developed. It really is a neurodevelopmental disorder characterized by stunted growth of the prefrontal cortex, which is the most human part of the brain. Its the part that prevents us from simply bashing each other over the head with a rock when things don't go our way. Craig is unencumbered by this dilemma, which allows him to experience an utter detachment from morality, and therefore the rest of humanity.

I visited BitMex website to re-check old technical article and found out they also cover the trial while sharing few interesting detail.
https://blog.bitmex.com/copa-vs-csw-day-2-thoughts/
https://blog.bitmex.com/copa-vs-csw-day-11-stefan-matthews/


Most people would also send receipt or purchase proof given by domain seller.

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On their twitter, they also mention CSW provide ridiculous amount of "proof". Someone probably should check whether those are gibberish or AI generated text.

Well, if the judge finds him in contempt then do they not recommend another trial for that which could pose prison time? You can't lie under oath and perjure yourself and that's all Craig has been doing. My only worry is if they feel it's not in the public interest to do so or maybe give Craig enough benefit of the doubt that there could have been malicious actors planting evidence. Maybe he would have to prove that in the perjury trial.


Well yeah, but I guess he doesn't really have much choice but to lie. The fact that he claims unscrupulous enemies hacked into his computers to plant this forged and manipulated evidence in the possibility that Craig might not notice and then use it in evidence in court is beyond ridiculous. I'm really hoping the judge doesn't even consider that as an option and takes it for the bare-faced lie that it obviously is but I don't know how the courts proceed with this.


Oh, no. Maybe I didn't explain it perfectly well. It wasn't an actual video of him that he personally recorded, but if I understand correctly, these edits were found in the metadata of the editing program he used that recorded his each and every change and Craig was obviously unaware of (it might have been latex). COPA then pieced the metadata edits together to make a video so they could show it to the court of what Craig was actually doing. Craig then claimed the edits were for a presentation as if he was showing someone how to do it or something (more BS).


Oh he knows. He's mentioned in both this court and others about how you can't lie in court otherwise it's perjury and that has consequences such as jailtime and seems to use that to back up his claims that he wouldn't possibly dare lie in court. He even doubled down yesterday and said that even worse is lying to god haha.


I don't think he is charismatic, he just has sociopathic confidence and rarely gets rattled which is quite an impressive feat. Can you imagine sitting in court with your entire existence based upon lie after life and you have to think of more lies on the fly to cover up those lies and knowing all this behaviour could end up with you in prison. He does seem like a bit of cult leader though, just without the charisma, but if you have the confidence and can talk someone into something then that's just as good if they believe in you and BSV-ers do. I think there's a lot of idiots who actually think he is Satoshi, the others just have a financial interest in him being proclaimed as such so they can enrich themselves with their BSV holdings, but that's something both parties have in common at the end of the day.

I don't think that he really recorded himself performing those changes, rather it is a visual representation of all LaTeX logs. I didn't know they were that detailed, but apparently they are.

 Wow franky1 you are fuming like a Cobra,  but you are an interesting person an earlier bitcoin adopter or may be a developer, May I ask you, if you were there in 2009 and before, when one of the forum was in Source Forge ?      You are utterly wrong in your assumption about myself.   Do you know when Satoshi first created this Forum with SMF Server ?

This Forum was created by the inventor of Bitcoin even before he choose his Japanese pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto.   He created two Bitcoin Talk Forums. Also he created a third one in his own persona Computer.   Why do you worried about if the real Satoshi reveal his identity dash out Craig Wright for ever ?   What is your problem ?  If the real Satoshi decide to reveal himself, who can stop him, and why you are so much upset ?   Do you think after Craig's Saga you can claim to be Satoshi ?   welcome !  welcome ! franky1 you too can claim to be Satoshi.  Are you one of them those who say ''we are all Satoshi.''  Please jump in the media, and proclaim yourself that you want to contest with Crag Wright.  That will be good fun.  I know Craig Wright more than any body knows him in the Bitcoin space. Knowing him does not mean I am working for him or want to be recruited by him. You speaking senesce, just be sure that we all are in the forum discussing and debating and sharing information. so we must respect each other and must not use wrong words.

When for the first time I read your thread I wondered, still today I am wondering about your persona. You suggest every one tro learn Bitcoin and do some business. I appreciate your courage and times to teach Bitcoin Newbies. If you know Bitcoin very well then can you tell me who formulated the ECDSA for public key generation  and why it was necessary ?

And what are the deference between ECDSA and DSA ?  Tell me please, It is Satoshi Nakamoto, Harrold Finney, James A Donald or Ray Dillinger, Gavin Bell, Peter Thatcher, Rishi Sunak, Danail Gergiev, Mark Karpeles or Robert Richards experimented the Secp256k1 to be the perfect curve for Bitcoin Public Key Generation ?   You know about Bitcoin from 2012. so, what are you talking about buzzz word ?  

franky1,  Please stop shouting at me. I might cry quietly, if you scream at me.  You supposed to be analytical and reasonably polite in the forum.  There is no logic to make allegation about any thing to any one if you are not sure about.
If you challenged me I might get bitfury  the Bitcoin Exchange and decide to twist the COPA -v- Craig Wright case. That will be a big problem for you Mr fraky1.  As you want to silence Dr Craig Wright forever.


  
 

why me..? well how about why not me,  ill tell you why not
a. i never touched BSV nor invested, nor conned, nor scammed, nor indoctrinated into his cult, nor been litigated against CSW, never cashed out the crap coins so i never been involved in anything to classify me as victim
b. criminal charges work best if there is a victim to his criminality.. and that would be the COPA members as his frauds had caused direct costs and damages(stress and emotional assault, aswell as legal costs) which makes them best candidates to request criminal charges
c. copa already have a funded legal team who are already researched on the crimes so can easily pass on the evidence

separate topic
Leezhamilton you seem too well researched in the buzzwords and names of the people involved for you to be a total dunce.
i dont believe you met anyone involved. but you are just sucking-up, fake associating yourself into the drama, trying to make yourself feel relevant and also trying to show some subtle loyalty to CSW, maybe hoping for a pay-day?

i assume you have other history in bitcoin via a different forum account or in some of CSW's shell companies.. and just made an alt to protect yourself from any legal pokes by just using a throw away account to evade any trouble via what you say. (EG fear of not wanting your real account/id associated with conversations about CSW)

yet you have shown favouritisms to align yourself on the CSW defence side..
(though you try to hide your favouritisms occassionaly when you do mentin forgeries, you are more than still obvious in many ways favouring CSW)
the whole sympathy of autism and trying to portray him as a victim of circumstance
the whole silliness of "the only way to debunk CSW is for real satoshi to come forward".( is utter nonsense,)
you are endlessly trying to suggest satoshi can, should, would and needs to come forward is nonsense. (unneeded nonsense)
your endles narrative that if satoshi doesnt come forth then CSW should take over the name.. (stupid nonsense)
your "charisma" "genius" words.. are complete suck-up nonsense..

i feel you are trying to get recruited by him and want him to continue being a scammer so you can get some scam payments for ass-kissing

and to suggest criminally charging CSW adds more drama.. no it actually puts a final stop to it.
EG there was alot of drama about FTX owner last year before criminal charges.. but as soon as criminal court happened, no one cares about him anymore. its done and dusted. once the sentance length is announced he is finito, out of the picture. gone. no longer a problem. game over
people kept a side interest in FTX leading up to last years court stuff.. but now he is not even a whisper

LOL. Well in that case he is completely fucked.

I can't think of a more disgusting, detestable, deplorable human in the crypto scene, and the bar is very, very low.

Neither BitBoy, Richard Heart, nor Do Kwon hold a candle to what level of douchebag Craig is.

If he is charismatic, it is in the way cult leaders are charismatic: they appeal primarily to the lost, the dumb, and the soul-lessly greedy. Everyone else with a competent or moral mind can see them for who they truly are.

I was reading every bit of news over the last two weeks.

I was tempted to break the news about the facts without fiction, then I restrained  myself thinking I must not interfere in the Bitcoin Drama. So I have nothing to say, but I do feel I must say something about franky1 who is a night owl in the Bitcoin forum watching every thing and making his efforts to create further Bitcoin drama, which he is suggesting someone to file a criminal case against  Professor Faustus. Oh no ! - against Australian Computer Scientist, Cryptographer, Forensic Expert, Quantum Computational Architect, Reverend Pastor  (Dr)3 Craig Steven Wright the businessman.   Well, it seems the whole Bitcoin community leaders have flocked together with COPA to debunk his claim stating his claim is absolutely fraudulent. Lord Grabiner sated in his first statement that why the real Satoshi has not come forward ?  And the COPA is not bringing the real Satoshi, Craig is a good Candidate for Satoshi Nakamoto.  

If someone now files a criminal case against CSW then why not Mr franky1 clearly states on what types of criminal charges will put him behind bar ?   Now, the whole case is depending on one single judge, Lord Justice Mellor.  This case is not under a juries' proceedings but it is a litigation to stop him from claiming to be the inventor of Bitcoin and the author of Bitcoin White Paper, which he definitely is not. But, how does someone out of the Bitcoin Community file a case against him ?  Who will support him ?  The Bitcoin Community has flocked together against one single man who has been licensed  to play this Bitcoin drama from a few billionaires who has bet with millions of dollars because they think they could exploit the Blockchain Patent and use it to milk all the Bitcoin and Blockchain related companies and make billions.  

Now the truth must be revealed, Craig is a fraud, then who else's are fraud ?  That facts also need to be unfolded.  To prove Craig is an impersonator of Satoshi Nakamoto I think, only Satoshi Nakamoto can say it and prove it better than COPA. Until the real Satoshi is identified, Craig will continuously clam to be the Satoshi. So why is nobody helping the real Satoshi to reveal his identity ?  

If this case is designed by Craig and COPA members for mutual interests, how can you determine the truth ?  In fact that could be the fact behind the whole setup. Many will think I am trying to create a conspiracy, then what if the real Satoshi has granted permission to Craig Wright to play this extreme form of Bitcoin drama for some other purpose ?  What if the Fiat banking elites had hired Craig to play and claim the Bitcoin and Blockchain White Paper authorship for taking over Bitcoin,  which is a disrupting catalytic phenomenon against Central Banks issued fiat currencies  ?

I understand that Craig has gone over the limit but he is a victim of autism by birth, he might claim to be the inventor of Windows Linux for Microsoft.  I have met Craig's Mum in three ovations.  I know his mum also got autism, which she got from her own mother, so genetically Craig is not fully a normal person. As he lied, in all his clams and forged all the documents and created all those  fantasized degrees and  Ph.D.  Now, there is a hidden matter about Craig, which the Bitcoin Community does not know about but the real Satoshi Nakamoto knows. Now you might think, wow ! I , Leez Hamilton, how do I know him and his mum ?  Also you might think I work for Craig Wright.  No that is not the case.  I know every individual in the Bitcoin community, Those who were the Bitcoin developers and early adopters. I exactly know the outcome of this case.  The case has been orchestrated for some other mutual interest, I am fully aware of it.

164000 pages of Craig will not prove that he is the author of Bitcoin White Paper, Neither COPA can stop craig to file case against Bitcoin developers and Bitcoin exchanges those who are doing money laundering using Bitcoin. The charisma of Craig is his primary strength. He is a genius in his own right to become famous in the news media, I agree with franky1 that he might sell his story as a villain in the Bitcoin drama to some producers and bank on Bitcoin drama.  

Literally any one can claim to be the Bitcoin inventor Satoshi Nakamoto but an extraordinary claim requires extraordinary evidence. Who wants to be the New Satoshi ?   Craig Wright and Stefan Mathews have fired Christen Ager-Hanssen the founder of Coingeek.  Who knows he could be the next candidate to be the new Satoshi.  Remember he is a commercial detective.

Who else can be a good candidate for New Satoshi ? you can propose to one and back him or her up and let the bitcoin drama move into its next chapter.


                     Grand Father of Satoshi Nakamoto https://ibb.co/287B6Zz


 

for years, i have avoided the F-bomb slang, but as you are a moderator, and are fine with it. so must i
a few people i have wanted to tell directly to f**k off (where **='uc/or') but now feel comfy telling them what i exactly mean, cheers

when the case wins in favour of COPA (no if).. id hope contempt is least of CSW troubles. id hope the copa win would then be used as evidence of forgery, fraud and multiple other crimes and someone files criminal claims against him. rather then these silly civil claims of annoyances


told ya he would.
the thing about courts is, if you (or your lawyer) are filing a claim they have to check what they file, and sign it in.. much like checking your bag before going to airport, because if the court/airport find things when they search what you hand in, you are on the hook. you cant then later cry 'but someone i dont trust done it for me', sorry but you are still on the hook for what has been handed over in your name


this here is where my theory of him not caring about win or lose* as it adds depth to his life story which will be hero/villain(obvious villain) story..
(*where he treats even a court loss as a win for his villain life story agenda)

..for years he has hired people to record his life and is doing these admissions of fraud, recorded... because in his eyes even if he fails satoshi test he hopes he can win billions via movie deals selling a thriller/sci fi/documentary of villain stature

afterall why would you record yourself performing forgery unless you want to package it up as part of a portfolio of 'art' to be part of some media deal later on.

i know he is not smart enough to realise these civil cases can turn criminal. but thinks whilst only civil he is free to do as he pleases without personal repurcussions because its not his money that covers his legal games.. but i do hope someone uses these civil cases as evidence to get some criminal charges filed

..
the funny thing is. all of these attempts by him to try to [fake/pretend/fail] 'proof of an identity' are so weak/lame.. that he could not even(if he tried) try to convince the world that he wrote TV shows like 'six feet under' and 'lost', which was wrote by another guy actually called steven wright..

so him still, years later playing the part of faketoshi is not about proving satoshi status. but just some other fame deal he actually wants, and promised his investors of riches from.. which is.. movie/book deal royalties, convention/tour/interview/speaking deals, oh and lollipops(couple of £) court wins.

my 'faketoshi vision' of CSW is that i hope to see that at the end of this case. CSW stands up from the court walks out the door hoping to see camera's but instead sees the UK CPS (crown prosecution service) and a couple cops put him under arrest, and due to being a known flight risk(ATO drama) dont let him out of jail until a criminal judge is sitting infront of him
(yea i can occasionally have a utopian day dream too, but lets hope it happens)

Day 15:

Missed about an hour or so of the trial today but the bits I did catch were Craig getting fucked. COPA were calling him a liar continually and suggesting he was in contempt several times. Craig was doing more of his usual Shaggy Defence and blaming anyone else he could. He admitted that several of the documents were forgeries, but again, not by him and other malicious actors. COPA asked then why he was using them in his evidence. More excuses obviously. Gets caught out. Passes the blame.

Craig was shown a video of him literally trying to forge the whitepaper in latex changing it bit by bit to try match the true and original whitepaper. Craig claimed he was just doing a "demonstration" to some unnamed party. You can view the compiled animation from his log edits here: https://twitter.com/BitMEXResearch/status/1761038309554332034

It was also noted today from the disclosed emails Satoshi was obviously very familiar with "unsigned int" which Craig was obviously not: https://twitter.com/dotkrueger/status/1761040309197353395

I'm not sure if Craig is back for more questioning next week or it's the developers for COPA. If Craig isn't prosecuted for contempt after this then there's no justice.


Well sure, but I think it's a little bit different as Satoshi owns over 1 million btc valued at around $50 billion give or take. Satoshi coming back would cause quite a stir as people would no doubt wonder if his "vision" may steer bitcoin in a different direction.


The whole trial is a nonsensical farce. Satoshi obviously released it to the world for free and under such a license and if he wanted to prove he was back he would do it in the way Satoshi designed bitcoin to be. Obviously when you're not Satoshi you have to try prove it the way Craig is trying and failing to do.

Really hoping they challenge Faketoshi on this part:


Clearly not intended to be patented in any way, shape or form.

temporary price drama is just blackfriday discount month.. not really a bitcoin killer event
take a look at this last month jan 11th+
grayscale sold 174k of its 620k coins  now check the market price jan 10th vs feb 23rd
($46k $39.5k  $51k)
yes it went down but then it came back up within a month

Day 14

Another short day yesterday as Craig's council dismisses witnesses en masse, but those left still made Craig look very incompetent.

Howard Hinnant, who created the c++ library Craig claimed to have used, was one of the witnesses. Craig Wright claims he modified some code to which Hinnant - someone who obviously knows what he's talking about - commented: "That would be absurd, like starting with a P-51 Mustang plane & ending up with Ford Mustang car. Technically so outrageous that it's literally unbelievable." 

Justice Mellor surprised many in the court by pointing out an error one of the witnesses made, which shows he's following along closely. I'm not sure how easy it would be for someone not involved in bitcoin to follow everything going on and I suspect Craig's plan is to try blindside people with irrelevant technobabble. I think these witnesses yesterday showed what an absolute charlatan Craig is. He's just a confident talker but can't back it up when it comes down to it, especially regarding anything technical.

Craig is now back on the stand today and this should be Craig's most taxing day given they're now going over all the evidence presented throughout the week that Craig will need to refute.


I don't think that would be good for bitcoin overall. People would panic thinking Satoshi is going to cause disruption and possibly worry he will dump his coins. I think if Satoshi was going to come back he would have done so already, and assuming he isn't dead, Craig's bullshit wouldn't be a worthy excuse for him to return. 99.9% of people already know Craig is a fraud and we don't need proof from Satoshi for that.


Adam Back also shared his: https://twitter.com/pete_rizzo_/status/1760718737286537526

Thanks for sharing. I only skimmed it since it's very long, but it looks like they mostly talked about technical and promotional (e.g. creating website along with it's content) stuff. And since the trial shows CSW lack of technical knowledge, while these email shows Satoshi have fair amount of technical knowledge.

Following his testimony at the COPA trial, Sirius released the bulk of his 2009-2011 email correspondence with Satoshi:
https://mmalmi.github.io/satoshi/


https://x.com/marttimalmi/status/1760886692469162491?s=20

You absolutely right, Satoshi I mean the real Satoshi, i he decide to come and challenge craig, then what is the point  ?  This case has nothing to do with the real man the i9nventor of Bitcoin Blockchain and the author of Bitcoin While Paper.  He is a busy man.  Of course he knows  that Craig has infringed his Bitcoin White Paper but he is talking a bit time to challenge him on the ground of his intellectual property of Bitcoin White Paper. Not only that, Craig has stolen the BSV from Satoshi Nakamoto.   BSV mean Bitcoin Security Version. Satoshi Nakamoto is the designer of the Bitcoin Logo and first he published it in Twitter.  so, he wont allow Craig to use its the property of the real Satoshi Nakamoto.

The Bitcoin account handle of your ''Kakmakr'' is also belong to Satoshi Nakamoto. He has given it to you for you you to use it. Now you know what I am speaking about ?   Just relax and make money out his Bitcoin invention and leave Satoshi Nakamoto alone.

If the real Satoshi sign a message will you be happy ? 

Then you will post, no it is not true, may be some one has stollen his Private Key,  blaa blaaa blaaaaaa. 
Every body want to know who is Satoshi but no one is asking How is Satoshi ?

you all are bunch greedy Gremlins. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NpixdbriHA