Topic: User: Unknown01 threatens me with a forum ban for saying my opinion - page 2. (Read 1951 times)

First i want to say that i am writing this and here now on and from a neutral View what i have seen and readed the last days and weeks !
Even when it was looking like i am not that much active in the German Board as i normal doing but i always reading the most important things there.
And the off topic board honestly i dont read there much , specialy the already now closed topics there , i tried it a few times, but its a never ending vicious cycle without value.

@Kamix
As others already mentioned , you dont get banned because a User just write it as long you dont have broken any of the Forum Rules!

@Bitcoin_Arena
Thats an interesting research and find here. Special that there a few well known Users in there List that already tried to manipulate the Default Trust System in the past.
Looks like that both of them dont know how the trust system and the personal list is working or its forced that they have done it , if the last is the case its very suspicious about manipulating.

@Unknown01 and @MinoRaiola
I havnt written anything for now about you and still writing that now from a neutral View .
Its in a way disappointing to see and read how you sometimes reply to new Users or Users that not often write in the loacal board both of you havnt done that before.
About the shitposts , not all posts are shitposts of yours but a few are lately , but diffrent Viewers diffrent opinions.
The main reason i guess why we have and got this situation now is not only of your posts you have done , its because it looks like that you dont have understood about the Feedback und Trust System.
So maybe take the time and read it and if you dont know or understand it just write in the translated thread in the local board and ask .

@1miau
About the shitposts you have written , i guess you can count 25 - 40% or even more of the daily posts that where made on the Forum as Shitposts.
I also think that your main reason and thing was about the Trust system and the feedback that was done from the Users.
Also as Hhampuz have written it makes no sense to write again and again neutral feedbacks on the same Account if its for the same Reason , maybe edit that already given one.
I agree with you in a lot of things about this case but not all , but you know that already and i dont want to mix me into personal things and issues.

@mole0815
I can imagine the situation fully and that it is not easy to stay and be neutral for this case and in general when you moderate.
Try to keep the balance but i guess you know what and how i mean that .

Sorry for the long post and writting , and i guess all that are involved or has to do with this case should be not digging again and again in the same hole.
Let it be for now with the Ignore button even its maybe hard for some but i guess thats the best solution now and maybe it calms down.
We are a community about Bitcoin and Crypto related things and it makes no difference if there are Users from other countries or from a local board.
It should be a together , for sure we dont have to cuddle with each other or share the same Views , you cant make it right to everybody.  
But at least we should try it with a togehter as far as possible.

This are just my 2-3 cents !

That's how DT is intended to work!  
Misuse positive trust - get thrown out of DT
Don't admit your mistakes - get thrown out of DT even more
Spreading insults and threaten newbies - get called out and marked as "damaging for the forum"
Abuse Bitcointalk for your own agenda, for producing useless spam, shitposts and Putins propaganda - get called a spammer and troll


In general:

Doing shit will get your account damaged.

What's so difficult to understand there for you?

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I don't need to discredit anyone, the actions of the accused troll accounts are speaking for themselves.  

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Well, it's not difficult to write better posts than you. You have earned a total of 11 Merit...
That's a bit lousy, I would say. 

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Wait, which account throw defamations and threats at Kamix when Kamix called out the pro Putin propaganda?  

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Thanks again for admitting that your knowledge about DT is a shame. You know nothing, not the difference between positive, neutral and negative trust, not about DT1, DT2 (should I mention flags)?
Because you are just using (positive) trust to increase the trust scores of your shady troll friends.  
Getting a neutral tag for your lies, insults, shitposts and unwillingness to improve is completely appropriate. I don't see anyone of you at least trying to understand why you are facing the backlash here that you are facing currently.
Instead, you are ignoring everything and keep pushing your lies!
Highly relevant for trades, that you are not admitting your abuses here, don't wan't to learn and you are constantly spreading your lies on the forum.

Yes - do shit, face consequences.
You crybabies are so amazing!  

But that's your problem! You don't want to be called out for your lies, that's why Unknown01 harassed Kamix because Kamix did a really good job, that Unknown01 is downplaying, what Russia is doing in Ukraine!
That's it why you are so butthurt!
Your pro-Putin lies got busted completely and Unknown01's head exploded!  

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I have PMed the abuser accounts in April, telling them that their positive counter trust to my neutral trust is inapproriate use of positive trust (because it's technically a neutral trust) and DT will act if they don't read about acceptable DT standards. You can read everything here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dangerous-and-inappropriate-use-of-trust-giving-positive-trust-for-shitposters-5404167
But they didn't admit their mistakes!
You are not admitting your mistake because you are also involved. You sent a fraudulent because meaningless positive trust to Unknown01, too!
Remember this!

Getting reviewed by DT is totally normal.

That's how DT is working.
- Present evidence
- DT reviews evidence
- get a result

We are having the result now since your accounts are removed entirely from DT2. While you are still crying and don't admit anything!
Never admitting mistakes, never reading the guides!
You are an ignorant abuser!
You are not DT material. That's why you are off now!

Get some help!  

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Again pure lies. Should I tell how it's in reality?  
Let me tell you, Kremlin Troll:

Your are spamming the forum with your (proven) lies, your propaganda, where war crimes are downplayed and Putin's war is whitewashed. Then we are presenting evidence, that you are pushing Putins agenda by undermining efforts to help Ukrainians to throw out the russian invaders. You don't like that because it's showing the truth about your disgusting propaganda!

And keep in mind: you are the ones STARTING the shitshow by placing your propaganda, so you are saying, that we are not allowed to criticize your propaganda?  
That's censorship, if that's what you want?!
You Putin Troll!
Of course we will call out your lies.

You don't want to be called out for your lies! Whenever we call out your disgusting propaganda lies by showing what Putin is doing in Ukraine, you are getting extremely butthurt because everyone can see how inhuman Putin's war is.
That's why Unknown01 harassed Kamix because Kamix did a really good job by exposing, that Unknown01 is downplaying what Russia is doing in Ukraine!
That's it why you are so butthurt!
Your pro-Putin lies got busted completely and your head is exploding frequently!  

The idea of 1miau is quite simple:

His own words in one of his post: "Vermutlich sind eure Accounts schon schön beschädigt von der Show in DT."

In english: "Probably your accounts are already nicely damaged from the show in DT."

That's it, nothing else!
1miau celebrates here a "show" to discredit @Unknown01 and other users.
These other guys are all respectable members with charisma and decency. But these people don't let 1miau dictate what they have to say or write. They are against 1miau's attempt at his dictatorship of opinion.
And that is the big problem of 1miau. He doesn't want to accept that. He can't accept that other people have a different opinion.
He thinks he is the greatest, the all-knowing, the forum god. But wrong thought!

That's why he threatens several times that he will give a "neutral trust" if people don't stop writing. He threatens members.
Also, he has threatened several times to start a campaign in the meta and ruputations thread if members disagree with him if users don't stop posting.

Sorry to say - these are Putin methods.


Two days ago, there were 3 threads closed by the moderator because the situation escalated. But the escalation always has only one name: 1miau. He sabotages the discussion by massive attacks against the discussants. He insults people again and again and again. The moderator has warned several times: discussion please be fair but without insults. But 1miau goes on and on. He produced and provoked reports, with full intention to destroy the discussion.

And now, he starts his announced show: Damaging accounts by spreading lies - nice!

What I can say as a member of the German community here is that there a specific political topics that tend to split the community apart. There is a small group of users that have rather extreme views that you wouldn't be able to share on other platforms so easily. Also the moderator does not have the time and will to moderate every new reply that is written (I can understand him 100%). Since the german community of active posters is not that big after all it will end up that people fight in an off topic political discussion about corona, the war in ukraine or similar and then meet again in a thread about technical bitcoin questions. Since they then remember the user from that other topic it will lead to problems in a whole different forum area. This ends to a very toxic discussion after all and to problems with alt accounts, faked ratings etc. since as I said the community is not that big and one person with a few alt accounts / friends can make a whole difference.
For me I can only hope that there is less political discussion. I have the feeling that some users want to share political statements that they would not be able to share anywhere else in germany since in the real world they couldn't easily take a whole discussion easily hostage with their propaganda.

Your lies aren't getting true even after repeating them 100 times!  



I'm a native german speaker and can confirm, that you, Unknown01, indeed threatened the Newbie to report him to theymos. Stop lying here! And you added some more serious insults against Kamix, it's so embarassing that you are justifying your misbehaviour here.
You are showing zero self-reflection about your insults against Kamix.

But keep going and accusing other people here, KingsDen is completely right! A friendly attitude towards Newbies is essential for the Forum but you lost your mind when Kamix criticized your Kremlin Spam posts.
Stop attacking other people here and admit your mistake. You are distrusted now anyways.  


Yeah, there's an account called Unknown01, he's really not reading anything, not forum rules, not how to use DT standards, nothing.
But the funny thing: now he's teaching everyone.  

Please do all of us and yourself a favor and stop digging your own hole!  
(But it's funny of course)  

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@Hhampuz

Much appreciated to have your reply here.

Of course I can remove the reference link from my trust where you are mentioned. And I'm sure everyone else is also open to it, who left a neutral trust and the link was used / you are mentioned.
It's totally ok when people don't want to be part of the drama here.
I'm ready to replace the neutral trust where your reference link is used and replace it with my own post as a reference link. I think we have enough proof already.

Every feedback left by me is documenting what happened in the German section,. Now, that we have content about it also in English, it might be helpful for the English community, that the German reference link might get replace by english ones, that's a fair assumption.
But some incidents happened in German, so the German Link is better suited there.
I tried to PM Unknown01 about his misbehaviour very early, in April, but unfortunalely he thought he was not at fault at all...
Even after Nestade PMed him, too

Regarding translation of the propaganda: yes, everyone can visit the thread in the German section and read what's written there. It's disgusting where people are cheering that Ukrainians are being thrown under the bus...
It's disgusting. Just check Poly#Crypto's recent posts.

It's fair, that you don't want to be involved here.

Well if you guys won't let this die down then I'll just add a few comments:

I do not appreciate it when you add my name in ratings, positive negative or neutral, and characterizing what I've said as something it's not. I have never called Unknown01 a shitposter or a spammer, I simply told him why I could not count some of his posts as they were one-liners in my eyes. I do not have a problem with one-liners, if anything I think that shows the opposite of spamming as you are just talking, normally, with people you know and don't feel like writing paragraph after paragraph when just replying.

Furthermore while on the topic of ratings, @1miau, you seem to want to talk about how the trust system should or should not be used but at the same time you seem to use Unknown01's trust page as your personal journal adding neutral after neutral tag which to me seems more odd than anything. It also looks weird when 2-3 people add the exact same neutral rating which makes it seem more coordinated (considering it's a lengthy tag and not just "avoid" "scammer" or similar).

I will make no comments about anything related to propaganda and the Ukraine/Russian war but if there's a group going around spreading propaganda - compile and translate it and I'll gladly read it and if it is as you say I'd have no issues with taking action against it as I believe, no matter what that crazy guy cryptomaxsum or whatever says, the current situation in Ukraine is atrocious and Putin/his govt. are assholes who should have to answer for the crimes they've committed and continue to commit.

But please, do not use my name for any agenda whether you think it's for a good cause or not, because if I say something I'll mean it and there won't be any fluff around it. My PM's are always open btw, if you have an issue with me. From reading some of the ratings some users claim that hiring Unknown01 in any sig campaign would encourage spam/abuse on this forum and that, if anything, is a hit at me for having him (and others from this "group) in my campaigns..

I don't know, are you kidding me? I have stated 10 times in this thread that I have not threatened anyone with a ban or any other consequence and you still come out with the same statement. Please translate the accusation and tell me where you read the threat of a ban I have nothing more to add to my statements.

How often do I have to explain it so that the same fact isn't explained from you 10 times, I would never think of threatening someone with a ban, I don't have the right to do that and it's not my job either. 

Sometimes I have the feeling that people are not reading at all and just commenting 

Every established member is rather expected to encourage new members and orient them on the norms of the forum. Anything contrary to this is not acceptable. Unknown01, please desist from threatening people of your locals with ban. I have never seen theymos threathen anyone with ban. A user is only banned when it is absolutely obvious and necessary.
It is likely that we differ in opinions and beliefs. If a user challenges your opinion in a way that hurts you, you could politely send the user to your ignore list.

Everyone else cannot be wrong apart from you. It is important that you note that your account and your actions are already on watch by forum users. So, it will be nice that you and your friends chose to be cordial with the people of your locality.

What is the forum for, what is the purpose of the forum? It's about sharing, about conversations, about gaining experience and answering questions, but if some people start living in the forum as if it were the metaverse, then it becomes problematic or I would worry about that person's psyche. The forum is great to spend some of your free time here, to make new acquaintances and to be able to talk to like-minded people, but if some are striving for a career in the forum, are online 24/7 (like addicting) and are also involved abuse the position they have gained in order to exercise that power, then it all becomes a problem. If you get so worked up that you racially insult groups or nationalities, insult your counterpart and agitate against him, even though he has been ignoring you for months, then that is pathological behavior.

No one should not neglect real life to get a certain rank in a forum or to get a "power". That is the explanation of my statement 

The connections between Unknown01, s0nix, Mino Raiola etc. are really looking shady as hell.
Especially the evidence presented here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/dangerous-and-inappropriate-use-of-trust-giving-positive-trust-for-shitposters-5404167
And here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60449756

And I've found more evidence.
I think, I'll have some time for a very deep investigation in the upcoming week.

Seems to be a case worth looking into.

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I agree to you.
People have used "Bitcointalk is life" as a motivation for good contributions and have described Bitcointalk as an interesting place that they like to visit.
Or "Bitcointalk is full of life" is also similar.

 

You may think so but sometimes i found happiness conversing over here with colleague and friends, responding to post and most especially learning around the forum so i wonder why saying the forum is not life.
sorry i don't mean to attack you

I have deleted the post including the following 3 posts that the topic finally disappears since it has no place in the "signature thread" anyway.

I received a handful of PN's overnight from users who do not dare to say anything in our area or here "officially" because otherwise of course immediately the next chaos breaks out.
Unknown01 has you on ignore. Just do the same and let's all live happily ever after.

In my opinion, the topic is over (if you want it to be) and everyone involved knows the point of view.
Any further reply, hostility, incitement or even alone marking is unnecessary because you will never become friends so just act neutral.
What is going on here was never in the sense of DT regulation. Every system can be exploited with enough background knowledge and power... And that's what happened, unfortunately.
This is not about winning or losing. There is also no definitive right and wrong because different opinions are simply different opinions.

This is really not fair especially when its coming from the senior rank members who we are supposed to show good examples so we the junior rank can learn from them. You guys are our idol and we try to learn from you every day. Reading all the posts here and seeing everyone trolling and misunderstanding each other is not the best, please lets settle our differences and make peace.

Even the fact, that there's a majority against them, the spammers and abusers will derail the discussion, not matter how much people are against them.
A very good comparison could be cryptohunter some years ago.
Almost everyone was against him but he was so annoying, he posted his spam everywhere, insulting established accounts whenever he can.

The few troll friends of Cryptohunter helped him to derail the discussion even more.
There were days, when a civil discussion was impossible because cryptohunter lost his mind.

Unknown01's behaviour is giving me flashbacks, when cryptohunter derailed whole threads in Meta and Reputation.
Delusional and completely out of touch with reality... 

I'd be totally fine with that, but it wouldn't produce the desired outcome for these trolls. I'm being accused of abusing the trust system because I objectively and well-foundedly rated a great helper positively, but the fact that 7 or 8 neutral trust entries (with untruths) are now left on me is not abuse.    Anyway, I don't care let the trolls do what they want, I don't read from them anymore  

In the meantime, the colleagues here have also understood who is on the wrong side and who is on the right side.

Have a nice evening everyone  

Sure, so adding your friends to your trust list and sending completely meaningless positive trust ratings to each other was pure coincidence? 


Get real!

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Your bunch of low-quality spam trolls are not "the German board"! Luckily not! 
It would be horrible there!
Get real! Your spammer friends are a tiny fraction of the German board and their contribution to the German board is even lower because producing good Bitcoin-related content is done by other accounts! And you are accusing the quality posters constantly, intimidatimg them and derailing the discussion.
Today again, but mole0815 deleted your posts finally!
Your deleted post is archived here, where you spread lies again about bullrun2020bro in our local section. There were even more lies edited by you later into this post! 
You are not useful at all but a disgrace to the German section!

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Please read Lafu's translated comments on your misuse of positive trust:


I think the first thing on Bitcointalk, and also in real life, should be the willingness to learn and to improve.
Is it so difficullt at least to try it somehow?

What about ignoring each other? Sometimes it's better than spending energy fighting together.

If this majority is against @Unknown01 & co and doesn't like them, they should avoid interacting with them. Once they have nobody to talk with, they will leave the forum. If this majority isn't against them, then it means they're "liked" and it's the other party that has a problem.

Using the feedback system how it has been used is surely not the way to go, and in the end, they're themselves losing their credibility

my 2 cents

You‘re so right here. I don't care if I'm DT1 or DT2 or not, why I've written so much here is just because I didn't want to let all the lies and false accusations against me and our board stand. I'm mainly in the German area and everyone there knows that I'm not a shitposter including my BM and 1miau also knows that the majority is behind me, which is why he calls most of them are shitposters too. I've already repeated my offer 3 times, that the German community should decide, but he rejects it, so it's all pointless.

I have no interest in wasting your time (english community) unnecessarily with my long texts and I apologize for the inconvenience caused on my part, from now on Nestade is also on my ignore list, so I can't read his further troll attacks. If I have to comment on something, other highly respected colleagues are welcome to point it out to me, otherwise I won't get involved in any more trolls.

I wish everyone a nice evening, enjoy the time with your friends and families, the forum is not life

What an absolute waste of internet space this is!

Hear, hear.  

I think it goes without saying that we've got members here whose lives are being directly affected by the Russia/Ukraine conflict, and emotions surrounding that are running high, and that's understandable.  But the fact remains that Theymos has yet to make any proclamations about censorship regarding that or any other political topic, and unless he or any of the moderators take actions like what OP was threatened with, this is a case of a member throwing his weight around and making empty threats.

I know what you're talking about and remember that debacle well, but this seems more over-the-top than some case of clannish-ness on the part of a local board.  That's likely because there are some serious issues behind what's being said with respect to war crimes and such.  Even so, there's no excuse for trying to silence someone for dissent on this forum.  That goes against everything I've come to love and respect about bitcointalk.

Edit:
OK, good to get your side of the story here (which I read after posting the above; please pardon my retardation).  I've never known you to be the bullying type, nor to be a shitposter, and it seems like there are all sorts of accusations flying about recently.  It's probably best for some members to step away from their keyboards and take a breath, especially if online bickering is causing real-life stress.