Topic: User: Unknown01 threatens me with a forum ban for saying my opinion - page 4. (Read 1865 times)

OK Mole, I understand the situation in the German section a little better now. I envy your reports (because I am a greedy person), but I don't envy your place .

@German keyboard warriors : the only thing you will agree is that you will never agree and you won't change your mind. Why waste your (and our) time ? IRL if your neighbor/parents/friends/colleagues doesn't agree with you, will you do everything to make him change his mind ?


Good idea. I thought of a duel with end at first blood (we are not barbarians). Or the IQ test thing... that was a joke, but it's not so stupid.
Maybe in a few years, with metaverses, virtual reality helmets, a super AI, if you're too dumb... bzzzzz... brain burned. Problem solved .*

* If you take my sentence seriously and didn't see the little touch of humor/sarcasm, you are definitely too stupid and deserve to have your brain burned.

Just maybe you know that 10 (earned) Merit are basically nothing.  
I've not said that every account under 50 earned Merit is a shitposter, it's highly dependant on activity and registration date.
But for your bet it just sounds extremely shady. We can set it up with neutral conditions, with a neutral trusted user from DT1, not where you are manipulating the rules in your favour.  

Regarding your lies: you can repeat them 100 times, doesn't make them more true.
You can repeat your insults and defamations 100 times, doesn't make them more true.

Your disgusting behaviour and constant derailing of discussions with your lies is the problem, not us, calling it out

You were also called out by qwk in the German section, the most established German member
You were also called out by bullrun2020bro in the German section, another very constructive poster and insulted him with your lies!

Now, you are insulting Nestade, me and Newbies, what's next?

You are a disgrace for the German board! Get your shit together and stop acting like a child!

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Facts aren't something for Unknown01, he's living in his own fairy tale where a "harmonious community" is, where breaking forum rules is allowed, misusing positive trust is allowed, insulting Newbies is tolerated, derailing discussions is a standard and spreading lies is totally normal.

It's so sad that these people like Unknown01 are not self-reflecting at all that their behaviour is causing huge damages to the forum.
Yes, they are not only contributing nothing, they are also damaging Bitcointalk actively.

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Not sure but it would be something to investigate.
At least for @thandie I can say, that it's a highly customized trust list and the most interesting part on his trust list are his inclusions of active trolls from local sections such like

~wolwoo
~vispilio
~be.open



https://loyce.club/trust/2022-04-23_Sat_05.05h/334684.html

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That would be very sad but it's your decision.

We all know who the contributors are and who's just here to post nonsense every time, who's always starting the shitshow.
Quite a lot of members have contributed a lot to our local board like qwk, bullrun2020bro or Lafu etc, just to mention a few,
Everyone can check the account and look up created topics. Discussions have been very productive until suddenly, some troll accounts woke out of nothing.

We have clear rules on the forum and trolling is against the rules, off-topic is against the rules. Creating new threads about already discussed topics, just to get more views is against the rules. All of it is rule 1.

I have been in contact with Lafu, he's still sometimes acive on the German section.
We are all not amused with Unknown01's and his friends behaviour.
I haven't ever seen low-quality posters being so aggressive (and I've seen a lot). Normally, we would expect a "plz, Sir, don't damage my account, it's important for earn".
But Unknown01 is completely delusional.

I'm sure, you have found a good solution because closing the German board completely would be very sad.  

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Same here, some reporters are doing a very important job and dedicating ther time to clean the forum from spam. Some have several 10k reports.
I'm doing my best to clean up the German board and also some violating posts in the international part when I come over them but I'm still at 1k reports.  

Big kudos to all reporters here!

Because when violating posts are getting deleted frequently, the producers will (hopefully) stop posting similar posts.

I saw the chaos growing bigger from the start and also arriving here at some point.
For this reason, I communicated the issue to my staff colleagues some time ago.

There is no general solution for different opinions. That's fine and Bitcointalk is good as it is.
But not everyone likes it and that's why they try with all their might to make the problems bigger and bigger instead of looking for a solution (together).

While mole0815 could be the one responsible of German board, the problem I was talking about is generic, hence I would have been preferring an answer from somebody who is not already fed up with the drama in German sub (and for good reason!).


  Interesting conclusion.
While Ignore is a great option, while I do recommend it for the sake of people's sanity, it's not the best option.
I do have my admiration for those who have the patience to counter and report the ones who fill the forum with garbage. We do need this kind of people too.

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I see the army of trolls are all here now? I've seen lies, I've seen normal posts accused to be trolling, I see they want to enforce their alternate reality. Interesting.
One laughable argument I see repeated like a mantra is that this or that is disrespectful. Well, I want to tell that lying is even more disrespectful, so.. yeah..

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@mole0815: I feel for you. On the other hand I am almost sure that all the bigger national communities face similar problems. How the others handle them?

Well... I have also been threatened several times threads in meta and reputation if I do not moderate according to certain wishes.
And in which direction I " have to" moderate you explain me fortunately all constantly by any reproaches and also PNs.

I don't want to say anything about it because I
1) have been confronted with the issues raised here between group 1 and 2 for several months already,
a) already had to spend way too much time on it,
b) have already spent far too many nerves on it.

2) Is there no solution that satisfies you.

3) I see already the next (always and always repeating) reproaches pelting down on me because I dare to have my own opinion on the matter.

4) I can no longer read these incredibly long and repetitive statements. It is so tedious to follow the accusations when they are always cross-quoted, which in most of the texts are just repetitive sentences anyway.

At the end still something positive. Finally there is the right place to address some problems and the unnecessary threads in the German subboard are closed from now on. We should have done it much earlier but then it would have spread even worse to various other places.
Just a pity for the good mood we had in our little round but Corona and the current war split the society (unnecessary because we all sit in the same boat). I can't do anything about that and no matter how nice I try to be.... some people don't discuss anymore to win but just to force their own opinion on the rest and that's not OK.

Statistics since Friday. So this is what it looks like after 3 days here... do you think this is fun?




And no it's not nice that I have to deal with here all the time. Meanwhile the ( unnecessary ) moderation of your problems which you could carry out with pleasure privately eats up almost my complete time which I would rather use here for nice things.
Because I still say it. We are here because we all have one thing in common! Attitude to life? Hobby? Profession? Whatever... but here it is about the BTC (with all the gimmicks) and not about topics that anyway bring nothing to anyone except to satisfy their own ego.

thandie will Massenzensur
EU-Kommission will die Massenüberwachung
Corona
Deutsche Fehlerkultur
Corona, Russland vs. EU bzw. Amerika etc.

And if it goes on like this I ask theymos to close the German off-topic area completely. There is no censorship on Bitcointalk and you have to live with that.
But in the meantime it is enough.

P.S. To clarify. 1. I am neutral and I certainly won't be accused of that to the contrary and 2. I was and I am still in NO telegram group with the people involved here in the thread. That's a fact. Sure there have been several PNs with X users but that is no secret. These "group messages" here were from and in both directions/groups.

Maybe they just placed a ~DefaultTrust inside their trust list. Because almost all of the users on that list are DT1.

Ignore button works, you all should use it. I know I read someone say they cannot ignore because some of the posts from whomever need a response, but that's not true. Just ignore and go on with life. Start reporting posts if you feel they're attacks or threats.

Other option is to pull out your dicks and do the measurement!!!!

Exactly.
All we want in the german-speaking section is a fair and objective debate.
But this is not possible because @1miau provokes and trolls again and again.
He quite deliberately wants to destroy any discussion.
He has a pretty stupid way to spit at the members in order to produce reports.

He has no manners
He has a bad upbringing
He has no respect for others
He does not follow any rule (double post, triple post, shitpost, off topic spam)

Some established users have already left the forum due to his mobbing.
His trolling is absolutely not acceptable.

My opinion for colleagues here:
All the people present here are my witnesses that I offered a fair deal and wanted to let the German community decide. All up from senior member rank with minimum 10 earned merits from 5 different people in the last 3 months (actually I meant the last 120 days) would have been entitled to vote, but 1miau decides independently who is a Shitposter on the German board and who is not, and it mainly depends on who represents his opinion and who represents an opposing opinion. He knows that he doesn't have a chance and therefore doesn't get involved in a democratic vote and counters again with his standard statement: All Shitposter. So let's make it clear: All members on the German board are for 1miau from the rank of senior (or higher) with <50 merits are shitposters. Does the English community really see it that way? My proposed solution was simple and, in my opinion, fair and difficult to manipulate.

I offered this deal even though 1miau distributes the most merits in the German area alongside qwk and therefore has very high decision-making powers as to who receives merits and who does not. Do I have to show more to prove he's lying?

I guarantee you that the majority of the German community doesn't share 1miau's view and that's why he calls them all shitposters. It's not just me and Poly, thandie and MinoRaiola have already spoken up in this thread alone and as I said, more colleagues will get in touch.
The group only meant our chat function in the forum and I don't know any of the colleagues from the German area personally from real life. Of course, attempts are again made to distract or manipulate by means of lies.

Just in the last few days, the following users were for 1miau Shitposter (because they have a different opinion): Unknown01 (me), thandie, MinoRaiola, s0nix, Poly#Crypto, Beobachter_90, Koal-84. So 7 persons from the German area who were all against his opinion have been called shitposters and only in the last few days, is that normal for you? Do you also call all those who don't represent your opinion shitposters? Do I have a wrong picture of our society and freedom of expression? Especially in a Bitcoin forum, freedom of expression should be valued very highly, whereby we don't insult others but 1miau and nestade constantly insult us with nasty swear words. They play down Nazis and insult all Russians (all russians are pigs and nazis and killers and so on..), although I am sure that a large part of Russians are against the war like we are!

1miau constantly claims that there are many people who are fed up with me but he doesn't want to get involved in a deal like the one described above, although he thinks I'm posting to get btc, which is also a false claim. As I said, I have already written posts from time to time without a signature and that I meet the minimum requirements and seeing this in the spreadsheet is also a lie, if you want to know more about it, you should look at the sheet and see immediately based on the last 10 weeks that I wrote an average of 24.3 posts per week and required were an average of 19 since the requirements have been lowered.

I don't quote or answer him because he's on ignore my ignore-list and will remain there




If you're going to quote, then do it correctly, without attempting to manipulate it, because the way you quote my statement puts it in a completely different light!

So in your opinion, an inactive account can appear out of nowhere with a newbie status and call other accounts swear words, tell them to move to Russia to eat Putin's ass and then make the worst accusations at the moderator? In my opinion definitely not, we haven't been on the forum for years to be insulted or defamed by any new trolling accounts.

But we all know that you don't think insults are bad, so it's understandable that you accept or even support the fact that a new account simply insults long-established members and attacks the moderator.


As I said, other colleagues from the German area will definitely be in touch in the coming days and then the colleagues from the English area will also see what kind of people 1miau and Nestade really are. It's not great to be insulted every day even though you actually ignore your counterpart now, I'm sick of being attacked by this trolls and liars!

Nice catch, looks like Unknown01 is trying to influence the German moderator mole0815 in a private Telegram group, since both are from Austria. That's shady as shit from Unknown01 but wouldn't surprise me.
He's going full long con here.
Unknown01 has caused trouble since a very long time and his biggest issue is his inability to admit his mistakes like Shitposting and Trust farming.

I'm sorry that he threatened you and I can assure you that's not how the German community (and Bitcointalk) is in general.
Most members are very helpful, very friendly and welcoming.
Unknown01 and Poly#Crypto are not the German community and especially not Bitcointalk as a whole.

You are very welcome here and we appreciate your comments in the German section, where you always provide valuable insights so far.
Please don't get discouraged by a few trolls, it's always taking some time to weed out the bad eggs.  

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That your shitposter friends can get in?
Sure, that's how you would like it.  
Maybe let's ask the altcoin spammers about their opinion of the Merit system and if it should be removed!  

So, nice try, but no, only quality posters are qualified!



There are quite a few people completely fed up with your bullshit and your abuse...
And Kamix is active since 2020.
@Unknown01, your most recent excessive bullshit campaign started in Fall 2021...
But keep attacking newbies, it seems to be your agenda to scare good posters away, that you can create your shitposts without any backlash...

Haha… okaay i‘m agressive and 1miau pretty much excludes 90% of the community from Sr. Member rank in my offer. so in the German board there are only maybe 10-15 persons who are not shitposters this is sad for us.. As I told you, my conditions are fair and most will agree that 10 merits from 5 people and Sr. member rank will be sufficient to qualify.

I'm busy right now and can't go into detail about the lies, but I'll make up for it in the next few days. I think it's best that a newbie account appears out of nowhere and is perfectly informed about all past events and even attacks mole... spectacular!

I didn't think my post would make such waves. But this thread perhaps shows all too well how the German-speaking board is doing. First of all, I would like to thank you for all the responses and respond to a few points:

- I am obviously not a fake account, regardless of what Unknown01 and his friends claim in order to damage my reputation. It feels a bit like I've hit a sore spot and he doesn't know how to help himself other than to attack with such false accusations.

I am glad that I will probably not be banned for my opinion and therefore I would like to continue expressing it.

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I think for the German-speaking board the moderator mole0815 is responsible, but here could be the real problem. If we go back to the facts, the following things stand out to me:

- We have the user Unknown01 who threatens other users and cheats his way to positive feedbacks using the DT function of the forum and his friends
- We have old accounts that suddenly wake up and try to improve their DT position in the forum via trust farming. These accounts only post in certain boards and posting Russian propaganda
- The accounts seem to possibly belong together, as they all post similar views and back each other up (trusts, positive feedbacks)
- The users seem to know each other in real life and almost all of them are from Austria (you can read that in a thread where they plan to have a meeting together in Austria). The moderator mole0815 is also from Austria.
- All accounts seem to be in a common telegram group and coordinate their steps with each other there, including the board moderator mole0815.

And this is where it gets interesting in terms of moderation of the German language board. Why is the user Unknown01 bragging about having to discuss my punishment with the German board moderator mole0815 and the other colleagues in a private telegram group? Here is the screenshot of a post Unknown01 wrote today.



It basically says: "@Mole: Sorry for off topic, but we can discuss it personally in our group with the other colleagues."

What is interesting is that this post was edited after a few minutes (cutting the part with the private discussion with the moderator mole0515) and even deleted a short time later. Why was it edited and deleted? Clearing up any evidence? Who deleted it? Unknown01 or the moderator mole0815?

If I understand correctly, the moderator of the German language board is in a Telegram group with his friends. Of course, this is not a problem in itself. But a moderator is supposed to ensure a neutral and fair moderation, isn't he?

Now it is no wonder that Unknown01 is so aggressive towards other accounts when he knows that he has no danger to fear from his friend and moderator mole0815. Furthermore, Unknown01 has already posted here in the thread several times that the moderator mole0815 will speak up here in the thread and fully support him.

It all seems very strange to me. What has happened to the Bitcointalk forum when moderation is no longer fair and neutral and aggressive users who abuse the trust system can suppress other accounts through moderation. It can not be that aggressive users who abuse the trust system and threaten other users with a ban also receive support from the official moderator of the forum?

Are there other moderators besides mole0815 who are responsible for the German-speaking board? Or can he rule all by himself? If there are not, that's pretty fucked up.

Should be posted it here or in Meta, easy as that.
And a neutral, trusted user will set it up.

Make 50 Merit earned threshold, last 120 days to weed out shitposters and alt accounts. 
Merit count up to today, last 120 days.
You know about the tools.
And the bet is: removing signature forever.

Your fraudulent positive Trust is out of the bet (but should be removed anyways as it's dangerous and inappropriate use of positive).

Are you in?

@1miau: I'm just responding to the topic with my offer because I don't have time at the moment: I'll open a thread on the German board and we'll let it run for 1-2 months, everyone who is entitled can then cast their vote there and we'll count the votes after the runtime. The loser will not participate in any campaign for at least 6 months or until the other agrees. If you agree I'll get to work tomorrow or tuesday, there are no insults, no discussions there is only voting and no one is going to try to change the opionion of others with any claims, I think most of our community have heard everything?

We can then agree on the exact agreements/contract details afterwards, but the trust is not part of this (it's just that I'm a shitposter in your opinion and Mino is definitely not).

Are you posting on a different forum?
You attacked me out of nowhere in our Signature campaign thread, when I wrote, that the posting quality should always be high, not only when you want to apply for a good campaign.

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Calling Kamix "aggressive and abusive like a virus" is appropriate?  
Surely not!
And you forgot your other insults against Kamix!

https://loyce.club/archive/posts/6044/60448857.html

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Idiots like Poly#Crypto posting such russian propaganda?

Archived
And there's more of it...
Of course will will comment on it and call you war Kremlin trolls.

That's BADecker, Tash and be.open crap.  


Yeah, it's completely understandable that pro-russian propaganda trolls like Poly#Crypto are on your side @Unknown01!

It's a shame that they are on your side.
Well, I'm not surprised..

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I'm going to agree to that deal but you are the one saying, "the german board" is supporting your wrongdoings, so you need to show 50% of that board supporting you as a shitposter.  
Will be funny.
And in addition, you should change your positive trust on MinoRaiola's account to neutral.

Do you agree?

As already said, I didn't attack him in any way and anyone who speaks German can see that too. Even if you use the translator you can see that I didn't threaten anyone. So don't try to distract from the real problem with "1miau". In the next few days some more of our board will definitely comment on the problems and these will not be newbie accounts, they´ll be long-standing legendarys. I'm already looking forward to the feedback from mole0815 (moderator of german board), so that our English community can also see who is actually causing the problem.

My statement to Kamix in german was: "Irgendwie vermehren sich diese Newbie Accounts die aggressiv und beleidigend sind wie Parasiten im deutschen Bereich, sollte man eventuell mal tatsächlich theymos melden. Ich habe bereits eine Liste von allen verdächtigen Accounts - mache ich demnächst mal wirklich."

In english: Somehow the newbie accounts increase which are aggressive and abusive like a virus in the German area, I should actually report this acounts theymos. I already have a list of all suspicious accounts - I'll actually do that soon.

And whether theymos is interested or not isn't your decision, because you said before that it wasn't in his interest if I sent him a list.


1miau thinks it's funny that I know 6 accounts (all are longer than him registered in the forum) that have him on ignore. If I know 6 accounts, how many will there be that I don't know about? In the same breath, he proudly presents 2 accounts that are on his side (bullrun and Nestade). Funnily enough, at least 3 people have already reported here to defend me (all longer than 1miau in the forum and with a high rank). In the coming days, others will certainly have their say, let's just let the German community testify, if the majority defends me, then it's clear who's right and who's wrong, isn't it? But for 1miau, the majority of the German community are Shitposter anyway.

@1miau this is the first time I've writing to you since a long time: you are so sure that you are right, so here is my offer to you: I will put down my signature if more than 50% of the German established community (at least 10 merits in the last 3 months from 5 different people and at least senior member rank) support your view that your trust entry was justified and I'm a shitposter, but if more than 50% don't agree, then you put your signature down! Deal?

It seems to be a very fair deal and like in a democracy the majority decides, you're for democracy right?  

The solution would be very easy: get sane and stop you Bullshit.
For the sake of everyone.

Now, you are going to attack newbies only because Kamix dared to debunk your braindead trollpost?
Seriously?  


You (mistakenly) showed us your lack of knowledge about forum rules and DT standards already multiple times.

You don't know how DT works, what it's about and how it's used in an appropriate way.
I don't need to talk much here, see: Dangerous and inappropriate use of Trust: giving positive Trust for Shitposters

You used Trust to bolster your own rating, to bolster MinoRaiola's rating, your shitposter friend.
Had nothing to do with trust, should be neutral!
Imagine a word, where everyone gives out a positive trust to befriended accounts. It would be insane!
It’s encouraging spam and scam.
Every shitposter would start to increase their trust-score by farming trust with each other.

Your lack of DT standards related knowledge is embarassing, same linke MinoRaiola.

The German loacl board is not a shitposter enabling zone!
And it's not gonna be a shitposter enabling zone, Not today, not tomorrow, never!


You have severely defamed Kamix and threatened him to report him to theymos.
It's archived.


So, you are openly saying, that Nestade, an account from 2013 is my Alt?
LOL, you are getting delusional.
Just because you dislike our engagement against abusers like you?

We have much more support but it's getting tiresome to debunk your bullshit.
You are just here to use Bitcointalk for your own agenda, get paid some lousy sats for shitposting and that's it.
Of course you dislike us because we are not going to enable your sigspam zone.




Not true!
Everything is available what you've said!

The most ridicuous thing was, when you are reminded that pyramid quoting is against the rules and not beneficial for the forum.
You insisted on it!

See bullrun2020bro's
[META] Pyramiden-Quotes im deutschsprachigen Board

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Your lies are tiresome, everyone can see it that you are wrong.

One more ridiculous point: your insults are completely unfouded! 6 spammers from our local board are not "the german board"!  
But they are spamming the German board and throwing their insults at everyone who's calling out their misbehaviour. They are always starting the trouble and they are masively butthurt, when they are called out. Also with defamations because they don't like to be called out.
They like to derail civil discussion. It's always them.
Some are just here for paid posting, some are here because they have too much free time.

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The fact, that you are not backing down from your abuses will make your account completely distrusted from DT and in case you keep your insults going against establised accounts and contributors like Nestade, bullrun2020bro, me and several newbies going, you'll be called out again for your abuses and your defamations.
You are spamming the forum every day and spreading lies and insults, when you are called out. We don't need childish, disgusting trolls.

Hereby, I call you a "proud shitposter" because you are proud of producing low quality spam.
You are, together with MinoRaiola, a proud misuser of positive trust to bolster your trust score to get more easily into singnature campaigns.

Now, you are attacking established accounts for pointing out how bad your behaviour is for Bitcointalk.

You should be nowhere near DT, you should be removed from future singature campaings because that's why you are here.
Not for contributions.

But go ahead and keep digging your own hole!  

But unfortunately the attacks don't stop even if you ignore them (an attempt to end the conflict).. We're all tired of being attacked by shady accounts all the time so I hope things can be sorted out here 

If we can get more players together, then we can play a football match. I like to play defence ;-)

I remember the time and the messages. It is well described here and many users have write their opinion.

All of us know your "be nice to us (shitposters)" already. We will bring up again posts advocating to increase posting quality, doesn't matter that you don't like it.
As I said in the other thread:

According to MinoRaiola and Unknown01 "a harmonious community" is a community where shitposting is tolerated or encouraged.
Such a mindset is destrying the forum from within.

Keep in mind: your low quality posts, spam- and troll posts are not beneficial for the forum.
Your paid campaign won't advertise on Bitcointalk, when there are only shitposters.
Unfortunately, you were mentioned in igehh's latest list for Gambling shitpostings. 

He's completely right there.

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LOL
"Mobbing" low quality spammers. 

There's much more "mobbing" going on: Wall of fame / shame. Shit posts so bad that they are actually funny

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Half a dozen trolls is not "many users".
And yes, I will continue to push for a better posting quality and call out your abuses.
What do you say about your inappropriate use of positive trust?

Nothing of course, because you will lose your DT2 position quickly!

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Your words are archived already, multiples times.
You really don't know that the forum has multiple tools to save your initially posted content?
Ever heard about Ninjastic.space or Loyce.club?
It's not useful to harass Newbies without reasons!