Topic: User: Unknown01 threatens me with a forum ban for saying my opinion - page 3. (Read 1865 times)

Lol, I've been in this forum since 2017 and I've been in a signature campaign that's paid in BTC for almost a year? According to your statement, I should have been inactive before 2021 -> please just look at my statistics and see for yourself.


I'm talking about the majority of the German community while 1miau is talking about you, himself and Nestade so I don't know if you believe what you are writing? Is there another long-standing member from the German area who shares your point of view?


Oh yes, that is very much a criticism of the BM. You accuse them of paying for shitposts, so Hhampuz, icopress, yahoo or darkstar aren't intelligent and competent enough to judge if the german section is shitposting but you are? Good to know what you think about our valued BM.




Horror only for those who couldn't deal with the opinions of others. And horror for our moderator because he constantly had to edit incorrect reports.


We all didn't get any benefit from the posts in the off-topic area, do you know whose posts are handsomely rewarded in his campaign? Exactly: 1miau



Everyone is allowed to spend their time on what they want? Hhampuz doesn't count off-topic posts and yet I've been in this area quite often and enjoyed writing posts. That should also be proof enough that I'm not in favor of the bounty in the forum?




Now we're increasing levels, now almost all Germans are evil 


If so, there should have been consequences for trolling by 1miau and nestade and you definitely don´t want that 


Whaaaat, man, I haven't used telegram for years now  Why are you lying like the others now? How often do I have to explain it, the internal chat function in the forum was meant. But yes, invent more lies: maybe we're all sitting around a campfire and drinking beer and already making the next evil plans 


If you don't do anything illegal, you don't need to be intimidated by anyone. Sure I'm appearing confident here, I know I'm telling the truth and it's been confirmed by many, but feel free to ignore it. 


Mole does a great job and doesn't try to push the conflicts any further. In the international section, trolls like 1miau or nestade would have been distrusted long ago for the behavior they show. Mole has been trying to end the conflicts neutrally for months, has asked everyone to use the ignore function several times, but 1miau and Nestade ignore this bravios.


I now take your tip to heart and put you on Distrust and recommend anyone who stands for decency, justice and fairness to distrust these trolls. As if it wasn't enough that they constantly attacked our members and now also called the entire German board shitposter, our moderator, who has always maintained neutrality, is also attacked. But the good thing is, now that the colleagues here can see how you actually tick.

~1miau
~bullrun2020bro
~Nestade


I've wasted enough time here, it's time to live more in real life instead of debunking the lies and accusations of trolls here.

But bullrun2020bro is completely right there...
There's a little bunch of low-quality posters spamming the German section since a while. They don't add value, they are just here to push their own agenda.

But I'm sure that a neutral moderation, where quality posts are frequently encouraged, will be the right message to deliever more quality posts in the German section again.
Posting quality has gone down there for some time now, that's not a secret and it should be important to us to add more contributions.
I'm not interested to get another spamboard there.

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I'm sometimes having the same impression. At least it seems to be somehow an action in the process where their final goal was very clear: improving their own Trust scores with meaningless and fraudulent positive trust.

Like you, I look for possible solutions and provide constructive criticism to the moderator of our board. How you handle my criticism says more about you than it does about me.

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Please see the screenshot @Nestade provided. The post was obviously deleted afterwards. That you call the issue a "no big deal" unfortunately shows how far we are from solving the problem.

@bro
Nice that you now come and do not spare with criticism of me. We already had that several times and that's OK
But to constantly pick on Unknown01 is simply not OK. You are stirring up unnecessary fears that some German users are trying to get DT or earn a few USD too much.

Since you/we all wear paid signatures, this should not be a constant topic, right?
Just leave it at that and press the stupid Ignore button. THAT will save our section.... not the censorship you all want from me.

And to be clear again (although I already have) - neither I am nor have I ever been in a Telegram group with people mentioned here.
I also don't know where this info comes from because I can't find anything about it in the thread. But no big deal since it's just wrong.

And now I'm off again... 36 degrees and the cool water is waiting

That could be true, but the point is the time frame the accounts decided to add other members in to their trust lists (Either it was a coordinated move or some accounts are alts)

This situation reminds me of the Turkish board dispute sometime back.

I don't want to get too deep into the discussion, since it's not productive anyway, but a few things I'd like to add since I was mentioned several times by different users. I might be a longer post, but I think it's pretty helpful to understand the situation.

When I signed up here on Bitcointalk in 2020, I found the German board to be very helpful. Here I noticed especially the users qwk, Lafu, Lakai01 and also 1miau, who provide amazing Bitcoin and Cryptocurrency content (!) day by day since my membership here. These users are well-educated experts for Bitcoin (qwk), Cardano (Lakai01) or Avalanche (1miau). If you have a question concerning a topic you ask it in one of the threads and these users will give amazing answers within a few hours. Such an easy way to obtain complex information on a subject, I have never experienced before joining Bitcointalk. This is what the Bitcointalk community should be about.

On the other hand, there is a growing group of users on the German board who don't really add value to a discussion. Meaningless one-liners are posted, previous posts are not read, unreadable pyramid quotes are posted and the actually important information gets lost among all the crap. Unfortunately, this has a lot to do with the signature campaigns, which have led to some users (unfortunately) seeing Bitcointalk exclusively as a simple source of money, where you log in for a few minutes a week to quickly get $100.

The community feeling mentioned here has been completely lost as a result. When Unknown01 talks about it, he does not mean the Bitcointalk community as such, but the users who represent his opinion. I have argued with the user several times in the past because I asked him to at least refrain from the extremly annonying pyramid quotes and the low value answers. Unfortunately, a discussion with the user is impossible. He is not interested in the forum, the community or Bitcoin as such. It is mainly about the quick cash that you can make here for very very (!) little effort.

This is no criticism of the bounty managers, but if they would speak German, the German board would have to be excluded from every campaign IMHO. That's how bad the quality is now and of course Unknown01 is not solely responsible for that. There are many users who have become very comfortable over the years. However, because this issue has been swept under the table for so long, nothing has changed yet.

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And then came Corona. Things went from bad to horrible. Look where we stand today: 250 pages full of insults and bullshit discussions, that add absolutely no value. It's lost time - for everyone.

The only thing it does is that German speaking users who discover Bitcointalk find a board where endless, irrelevant discussions take place. Insults are spoken and conspiracy theories are spread. A real shame for the German speaking Bitcoin community. A stronger intervention should have been made much earlier, as I have long demanded. What made matters worse, however, is that the political discussions were not limited to the single Corona thread. The entire German forum has increasingly become a place for pointless political discussions.

Now there were two problems: The low quality of the posts and the escalating political discussions.

Some users turned into true keyboard warriors when it came to representing political points of view. However, still posted low value when it came to Bitcoin or crypto-related topics. I am always surprised why so much time is spent on such pointless discussions, when one could also spend that time on Bitcoin.

In the meantime the fighting grew more and more and beside the discussions about Corona people started fighting about Russia and Ukraine. Many lies were posted and various accounts woke up to exclusively spread their "opinion" propaganda about Russia. Some of these accounts Unknown01 calls his colleagues. But everybody can probably guess what kind of interesting accounts they are. Just read through the threads and you will have an impression after a few posts. Some would call it trolling, others Russian propaganda, and some see it as opinion. In any case, this situation is a toxic mixture that massively harms the German board.

From my point of view, however, it becomes problematic if these accounts now try to climb up DT via manipulation and pointless feedbacks. As a community, we should be concerned that such accounts have no chance to influence the DT ranking.

Unfortunately, our moderator @mole0815 made the mistake of announcing several times that things could not go on like this and that consequences would follow. What were the consequences? None. I am glad that the threads are closed now.

In this context, I find it highly explosive that the user @Unknown01 now posts here that he is in a telegram group with the moderator of the board and thus tries to influence the moderation. However, the moderator denies this statement. Who is lying now? I rather trust @mole0815, but what I don't understand is that you @mole0815 doesn't distance yourself from Unknown01's statements. I mean, he's speaking for you, there are screenshots. Why are you allowing this to happen?

It is not surprising that it leaves a bad impression on many users if there is no clear cut-off here. Users may have the impression that there might be something to the accusations. Especially if you observe the self-confident appearance of @Unknown01 here on Bitcointalk.

IMHO, only if you as a moderator create clear fronts and clearly distinguish yourself from both parties, you can get the problem on the German board under control.

Finally, I can only recommend to mark such accounts with a ~, as I did months ago. This creates certainty that such accounts are not in DT. For everything else, the ignore function is the right option - as long as - and this is the important point - all users can count on fair moderation. As long as the moderator doesn't get the upper hand, it would be better to close the entire German board right away. But I'm confident that @mole0815 can solve the problem, if he takes the right action.

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TLDR; The situation is pretty fucked up.

That's correct.


I keep telling the users: when you're not sure, report it and leave the mod interpret the rules as he thinks. Nobody's perfect.


  so true


Indeed, if one feels it's too much, then ignore is the best approach.
And if he can still handle and didn't ignore, then report what can be reported


Ouch! Maybe you take it slow/easy then for now. Time uses to solve this in a way or another.
It can end with both sides chill, it can end with death threats (hence proper ammo for actual sanctions). Maybe I should not have been saying this...

But there are different views from when something is declared as an insult and / or trolls.

That's where the problems start, because there is also rule 23, for example, but no matter how hard you try - impossible to make it right for everyone.

In addition, it is just as forbidden to make double posts, to report the same post again and again (until you get the desired result) or to post deleted texts again.
And what happens? All of the above.
So if you take it very strictly, probably all users who were named/shown here have already violated several times against various rules.

My suggestion which has already been mentioned several times and would also help 100%: Everyone looks for the 2-5 users with whom he has a problem, clicks on Ignore and leaves it at that. Easy.

@all
Here will be no end what makes all of you happy. But maybe the Ignore function.
I am now really out of here again because actually I was on vacation to be able to do the pending tasks properly. And now? I come back recovered and have to spend directly again X hours with topics that I actually do not want to have in my life.

@1miau
It is not fair now to bring various other names into the game to give the impression that everyone has a problem with various users.
Who has something to say should comment here please itself.
Because I also do not write here all XX users with whom I already had discussions because of the happenings in the German area. Neither pro nor contra team 1, 2 or a, b.

Why not choosing neutral conditions, the conditions are known:

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+1
This!

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Stop twisting my words, I said it's inhuman to support the russian invasion against Ukraine and Putin's ass lickers should go visit the bombed cities in Ukraine that they are getting an impression what's happening there.
Your problem is: you don't like it to be called out for your Kremlin troll posts. 
That's your issue! 
Yes, we will keep debunking your inhuman nonsense. 
Don't you think it's not completely inhuman that Putin is bombing whole cities and destroys lives?

You are so delusional!

But what do I expect from someone who's proud to have people like Poly#Crypto on their side, a BADecker or be.open level troll: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.60450501
It's already archived!

[moderator's note: consecutive posts merged]

I'm really starting to think that you don't understand me because of my articulation? These swear words are statements by 1miau and his colleagues that were used against us and I ask you if this is actually allowed in the forum? I don't think so, but you meant that swearing is allowed.

My statements have already been confirmed by 3 other Legendary/Hero's (MinoRaiola, thandie, s0nix) so I don't know if I'm really that wrong here.

I would go along with that deal, sounds fair to me. I'll put down my signature as well. If the community feels that this will promote quality and make it better, then we can do this. Let's go 1miau, it's your turn.

Maybe we should allow a period of time for the decision?

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I prefer to eat a good steak and of course something nice to drink... not really a beer for me.

It might get removed (trolling), similar to spam, there are rules:


The most important thing is: people should have self-awareness and stop derailing discussions.
As far as I know, you and your spam friends are always starting the clown show and then, you are acting surprised when your bullshit is debunked!


Did you read the statement from Lafu?
I guess no because you have me already on ignore again?

That's your issue!
You are not willing to learn, not willing to admit the mistakes like your trust circling, so don't act surprised when it's presented on Reputation, dude!

The way you're talking usually tells a lot about yourself. First post of yours in this topic you were lying, now this. This is the picture you're offering.
Interesting that 5 years and 3700 posts on this forums and you didn't care about its rules.

I would also recommend a beer with the popcorn. 


@Yawa2020: I wonder if I can't express myself? I didn't threaten anyone with a ban (explained several times above) so please the next one who says ban again buys me a beer, without alcohol it's no longer bearable 



so it's allowed to insult others in the forum, e.g. if I told you now go and lick XY's ass or you're a pig or not a human, interesting that that's okay.

This is very important to read from Lafu because Lafu has deep understanding of how DT is working. Lafu is even rankend higher in DT than I.
I've translated Lafu's statement, it was originally posted here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59859488

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But no need to order new one because mole0815 acted already.
Hopefully, the dust will settle now, DT will judge and at least we've had a funny discussion here. 

Assuming you are team one and Unknown01 side is team two. The following applies for both team to restore peace.

When you see a shitpost, report it to local moderator. If he removes it then it's a shitpost. If he does not then it's fine. It may still look shitpost to you but he is a man and the forum also gave him right to judge a report before removing it. Whatever you get from the report, be happy and move on. Use the report button, it's there for you always.

Merit can be sent to anyone and admin does not mind. As long as they are not misusing source merit (if anyone from them) then there are no problem. If anyone is using source merit as misuse form then theymos will remove the merit source. Any such case for a merit source can be reported to admin.

Anyone is using trust feedback to favour their own interest, use "~" before their name in your trust setting page.

Finally ignore button really helps. If anyone is quoting you, talking wrong against you, let them continue. They will stop once there will not have any reply in it from you.

I still have my popcorn, it's delicious 😂

That's not true, we have sent you and MinoRaiola a PM that you and your friends used positive trust and that it's not how positive trust is intended to use.
You used a positive trust to counter my neutral trust and you circled meaningless positive trust with your friends.
We wanted to solve it in a civil manner before addressing it in Reputation, so we sent a PM.
We received insults back as an answer.  
Lafu added an entry in our German DT thread.  
No reaction from your side!  
DT is a decentralized network, is that so hard to understand for you? Issues will be brought up and DT decides if that's appropriate use of trust or not.
We are presenting our evidence, DT is reviewing our evidence.
Without derailing discussions!

And the decision from DT hast to be accepted!

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Your trust list is not my issue!
So you want to forbid that I reply to people where I'm on the ignore list?  
I'm free to read all posts, I'm free to reply to all posts!

Although I'm still new to the forum and I might not know some few things yet but nevertheless, threatening people with ban especially the new comers is absolutely wrong no matter how much they differ from your opinion. As for @unknown01 you should have justified your claims as he requested instead of threatening him. And for OP, I will suggest you report to moderator when next such thing happens so that the issue can be resolved amicably. However, I don't actually subscribe to this idea of making a thread in order to maintain our reputation.

Insulting is not against forum rules. Trolling is. You (and your friends) keep insisting on insulting like it would be an offense, while it's not.
In the same way you insist others ignore you (and hence leave you alone) if they don't share your views, you can also do the same about them, especially if you feel so much insulted.

We've pointed out the ignore function dozens of times, but instead of using it we've had neutral trust entries and threats that the accounts that post against their opinion will be reported in the reputation thread... Quite apart from that, we‘ve been insulted every day by these trolls. I don't know how many months 1miau has now been ignored by me and yet he still quotes me daily(!). He has no interest in making peace. Otherwise the problem would have been solved long ago, because I haven't reacted to his posts for months. Well, your suggestion is great, but unfortunately it doesn't work on one side as long as everyone else is still being attacked (and as I said, he’s on a lot of ignore lists and still attacks the persons).

I think all of my colleagues will agree that if 1miau and Nestade agree to ignore us all without ever mentioning us other again, the problem would be solved forever.
I don't know who they will be able to interact with afterwards (since they argue with pretty much everyone in the German community) but I don't care.