Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? - page 25.

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Quote from: Astargath on November 06, 2018, 09:13:46 AM

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Someone who doesn't accept current scientific theories shouldn't discuss anything about science.

What's that? Astargath's law? Understanding that scientific theories exist is quite factual understanding.

Rather, somebody who thinks scientific theories are fact should build himself a synagogue to think in.

Now, what does that have to do with vaccines?

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''somebody who thinks scientific theories are fact'' Showing your misunderstanding for theories again. A scientific theory is simply the best understanding we have of a specific phenomena. It's the best explanation of it.

So then your theory is the only theory that is accurate, and the other theories are just theories right? To you science is an amorphous mass that fits whatever definition you need it to at any given moment. Theories are by definition up for debate.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 05, 2018, 02:29:37 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 05, 2018, 12:39:28 PM

Someone who doesn't accept current scientific theories shouldn't discuss anything about science.

What's that? Astargath's law? Understanding that scientific theories exist is quite factual understanding.

Rather, somebody who thinks scientific theories are fact should build himself a synagogue to think in.

Now, what does that have to do with vaccines?

Cool

''somebody who thinks scientific theories are fact'' Showing your misunderstanding for theories again. A scientific theory is simply the best understanding we have of a specific phenomena. It's the best explanation of it.

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Who Is Telling The Truth About Prescription Opioid Deaths? DEA? CDC? Neither?

Quote from: https://www.acsh.org/news/2018/11/05/who-telling-truth-about-prescription-opioid-deaths-dea-cdc-neither-13569

"Controlled Prescription Drugs (CPDs) ... are still responsible for the most drug-involved overdose deaths and are the second most commonly abused substance in the United States."

2018 National Drug Threat Assessment. Drug Enforcement Administration, October 2018.

I just don't get it. A newly-released 164-page report just issued by the DEA maintains that controlled prescription drugs are killing more Americans than any other type of drug (1); even more than heroin and fentanyl. But if you've been keeping up in this area this sounds very strange. Can it really be true that drugs like Vicodin and Percocet are killing more Americans, especially when one report after another lays the blame on illicit fentanyl and its scary analogs? What is going on? Are we seeing more of lying by omission or the use of intentionally misleading statistics, such as we've seen from the CDC and its advisors (See: The Opioid Epidemic In 6 Charts Designed To Deceive You)? Is this claim legitimate?

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Quote from: Astargath on November 05, 2018, 12:39:28 PM

Someone who doesn't accept current scientific theories shouldn't discuss anything about science.

What's that? Astargath's law? Understanding that scientific theories exist is quite factual understanding.

Rather, somebody who thinks scientific theories are fact should build himself a synagogue to think in.

Now, what does that have to do with vaccines?

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Quote from: BADecker on November 05, 2018, 10:19:21 AM

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Quote from: BADecker on November 03, 2018, 03:31:00 PM

Since vaccines don't eradicate any diseases, here's what does:
1. Good nutrition: good food and good water;
2. Good hygiene;
3. Let the disease run its natural course;
4. Death;
5. But mostly, a healthy relationship with God, who cures all diseases according to the best wisdom around.

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. But mostly, a healthy relationship with God, who cures all diseases according to the best wisdom around.

Because religious people don't get sick, lmao.

Yes, it's amazing that you have been so healthy with your science, big bang, and evolution religion. Number 5 that I mentioned doesn't talk about religion.

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WARNING: Your Kid’s Vaccines May Actually Be Making Them Sick...

Quote from: https://healingfromvaccines.com/masterclass/?t=10264a1a12970a91ed7c58cbd4cdcf&o=1&a=1036

Thousands of Children are Silently Being Poisoned by Deadly Toxins in Government-Mandated Vaccinations — Many Without Showing Any Immediate Symptoms…
Is Your Child One of Them? Watch This Video to Find Out…

Yes I have definitely been, that's why religious nutjobs like you still go to the doctor because you don't trust God enough to cure or help you, you still need science and medicine, bunch of hypocrites.

What gives you the idea that I go to the doctor? Besides, what does my or any religion have to do with going to the doctor... except if it is the religion of faith in medicine, that is.

I have been showing you a lot of information that is coming out about how unreliable and even bad vaccines are, but you still like them. And you still advertise that they are good. And you would rather demean me than accept the truth. What does that really say about your motives and good faith?

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Someone who doesn't accept current scientific theories shouldn't discuss anything about science.

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Quote from: Astargath on November 05, 2018, 07:52:26 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 05, 2018, 03:50:43 AM

Quote from: Astargath on November 04, 2018, 05:36:17 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 03, 2018, 03:31:00 PM

Since vaccines don't eradicate any diseases, here's what does:
1. Good nutrition: good food and good water;
2. Good hygiene;
3. Let the disease run its natural course;
4. Death;
5. But mostly, a healthy relationship with God, who cures all diseases according to the best wisdom around.

Cool

. But mostly, a healthy relationship with God, who cures all diseases according to the best wisdom around.

Because religious people don't get sick, lmao.

Yes, it's amazing that you have been so healthy with your science, big bang, and evolution religion. Number 5 that I mentioned doesn't talk about religion.

Cool

WARNING: Your Kid’s Vaccines May Actually Be Making Them Sick...

Quote from: https://healingfromvaccines.com/masterclass/?t=10264a1a12970a91ed7c58cbd4cdcf&o=1&a=1036

Thousands of Children are Silently Being Poisoned by Deadly Toxins in Government-Mandated Vaccinations — Many Without Showing Any Immediate Symptoms…
Is Your Child One of Them? Watch This Video to Find Out…

Yes I have definitely been, that's why religious nutjobs like you still go to the doctor because you don't trust God enough to cure or help you, you still need science and medicine, bunch of hypocrites.

What gives you the idea that I go to the doctor? Besides, what does my or any religion have to do with going to the doctor... except if it is the religion of faith in medicine, that is.

I have been showing you a lot of information that is coming out about how unreliable and even bad vaccines are, but you still like them. And you still advertise that they are good. And you would rather demean me than accept the truth. What does that really say about your motives and good faith?

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Its harrowing as a parent to know what is the right decision in regards to vaccines and injections, We have had doubts about vaccinations with our son and daughter, and raised such issues with our doctor; she told us that she will only recommend the vaccines which she feels our children need, and won't excessively try to push other vaccines on us. I kinda hope this is the duty of all doctors to talk about the pros and cons and only do what is necessary...

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Quote from: BADecker on November 05, 2018, 03:50:43 AM

Quote from: Astargath on November 04, 2018, 05:36:17 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 03, 2018, 03:31:00 PM

Since vaccines don't eradicate any diseases, here's what does:
1. Good nutrition: good food and good water;
2. Good hygiene;
3. Let the disease run its natural course;
4. Death;
5. But mostly, a healthy relationship with God, who cures all diseases according to the best wisdom around.

Cool

. But mostly, a healthy relationship with God, who cures all diseases according to the best wisdom around.

Because religious people don't get sick, lmao.

Yes, it's amazing that you have been so healthy with your science, big bang, and evolution religion. Number 5 that I mentioned doesn't talk about religion.

Cool

WARNING: Your Kid’s Vaccines May Actually Be Making Them Sick...

Quote from: https://healingfromvaccines.com/masterclass/?t=10264a1a12970a91ed7c58cbd4cdcf&o=1&a=1036

Thousands of Children are Silently Being Poisoned by Deadly Toxins in Government-Mandated Vaccinations — Many Without Showing Any Immediate Symptoms…
Is Your Child One of Them? Watch This Video to Find Out…

Yes I have definitely been, that's why religious nutjobs like you still go to the doctor because you don't trust God enough to cure or help you, you still need science and medicine, bunch of hypocrites.

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Quote from: Astargath on November 04, 2018, 05:36:17 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 03, 2018, 03:31:00 PM

Since vaccines don't eradicate any diseases, here's what does:
1. Good nutrition: good food and good water;
2. Good hygiene;
3. Let the disease run its natural course;
4. Death;
5. But mostly, a healthy relationship with God, who cures all diseases according to the best wisdom around.

Cool

. But mostly, a healthy relationship with God, who cures all diseases according to the best wisdom around.

Because religious people don't get sick, lmao.

Yes, it's amazing that you have been so healthy with your science, big bang, and evolution religion. Number 5 that I mentioned doesn't talk about religion.

Cool

WARNING: Your Kid’s Vaccines May Actually Be Making Them Sick...

Quote from: https://healingfromvaccines.com/masterclass/?t=10264a1a12970a91ed7c58cbd4cdcf&o=1&a=1036

Thousands of Children are Silently Being Poisoned by Deadly Toxins in Government-Mandated Vaccinations — Many Without Showing Any Immediate Symptoms…
Is Your Child One of Them? Watch This Video to Find Out…

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Quote from: Astargath on November 03, 2018, 10:42:46 AM

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Quote from: Astargath on October 31, 2018, 10:48:12 AM

Vaccines are needed, anyone who says they are not is a moron just like anyone who says all vaccines are 100% safe is also a moron.

Well, of course vaccines are needed at this stage of the game. What would happen if everybody suddenly realized that vaccines were poison, and were responsible for creating many maladies, including the ones that they were supposed to be destroying? If everybody suddenly realized this, they would stop trusting doctors and the medical. In fact, they would be out to lynch members of the medical. The whole medical would collapse. Because of the size of the medical employment population, millions would be out of a job. The economy would collapse, and amidst civil war, at that.

No, it's better to keep on destroying health with vaccines, a few hundred thousand people at a time, than that the whole country, and large parts of the world, collapse by letting everybody understand the destructiveness of vaccines.

Cool

Just curious, what do you actually think it's the cure of the diseases that vaccines are eradicating.

Why do you like asking questions that don't have answers, if that is a question (no question mark)? And you say "it's" when you should say "is" if you want to make any sense.

Quote from: Astargath on November 03, 2018, 10:42:46 AM

Like how would you get rid of polio and other terrible diseases exactly?

Since vaccines don't eradicate any diseases, here's what does:
1. Good nutrition: good food and good water;
2. Good hygiene;
3. Let the disease run its natural course;
4. Death;
5. But mostly, a healthy relationship with God, who cures all diseases according to the best wisdom around.

Cool

. But mostly, a healthy relationship with God, who cures all diseases according to the best wisdom around.

Because religious people don't get sick, lmao.

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It finally went to court where the government was required to produce the documentation that vaccines had been tested, and government didn't have any tests to show. Check it out at https://phibetaiota.net/2018/09/rebecca-campbell-us-government-loses-vaccine-lawsuit-has-lied-to-the-public-for-decades-vaccines-not-tested-autism-will-drop-if-parents-use-this-case-to-legally-challenge-mandated-vaccinatio/:

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Vaccine injury lawyer Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Del Bigtree, producer of the suppressed anti-vaccine documentary, Vaxxed, and the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN) are credited with this victory. They demanded the relevant government documents proving that all federally approved vaccines had been tested for quality over the past 32 years — and there were none.

Here are the huge legal and practical implications in this legal victory for the American people:

This means that the US Department of Health and Human Services and all vaccine makers have been lying to the American people for over 30 years about the effectiveness and safety of vaccines; this may ultimately mean that continuing the existence — at least in their current form — of five US “healthcare” agencies are now in doubt: the CDC, the FDA, the IOM, the NIH and the “Health” part of DHHS itself; this may also threaten the existence of state medical boards and exclusive medical guilds like the AMA:

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The answer to AIDs, Herpes, and all kinds of diseases, including autism, etc.

Plague: One Scientist's Intrepid Search for the Truth About Human Retroviruses and Chronic Diseases

Quote from: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2099/12/31/retrovirus.aspx

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Story at-a-glance

-A retrovirus is a virus that contains RNA encoded genes rather than DNA. Using reverse transcriptase, the retrovirus is able to transform the single-stranded RNA into a double-stranded DNA

-When the retrovirus infects a host, it integrates its DNA into the DNA of the host cell, which allows the retrovirus to replicate itself and spread through the host

-One example of a transmissible retrovirus is the HIV virus, which can cascade into the clinical symptoms of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS)

-A retrovirus known as xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) may play a causal role in chronic fatigue syndrome, chronic myalgic encephalopathy (ME) and other diseases, including autism

-Some retroviruses, including XMRV (but not HIV), infect your germ cells, which means they are transmitted to your offspring

Judy Mikovits, Ph.D., a virologist, researcher and former research director of the Whittemore Peterson Institute — which researches and treats chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) in Reno, Nevada — got embroiled in controversy when, in 2009, she reported that a retrovirus known as xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) may play a causal role in CFS and other diseases, including autism.

Her book, "Plague: One Scientist's Intrepid Search for the Truth About Human Retroviruses and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (ME/CFS), Autism and Other Diseases," details her research and personal trials that arose as a consequence of her work.

"Kent Heckenlively essentially wrote it," Mikovits says, "because I write like a scientist. We wrote it using the genre of flashback. He taped hours and hours of me telling the story as he asked me questions — because he's trained as an attorney — and then he turned that into this suspense-thriller. Interestingly enough, it almost has to read like fiction because of the lawyers it took to … make sure we weren't sued."

What Are Retroviruses?

Before we go further, let's review what a retrovirus is. A retrovirus is a ribonucleic acid (RNA) virus — in other words, a virus that contains RNA encoded genes rather than deoxyribonucleic acid (DNA). Using reverse transcriptase, the retrovirus is able to transform the single-stranded RNA into a double-stranded DNA.

When the retrovirus infects a host, it integrates its DNA into the DNA of the host cell, which allows the retrovirus to replicate itself and spread through the host. As more and more cells are infected, you become increasingly sicker. Mikovits explains:

"Humans have a DNA genome. Our blueprint is DNA. Retroviruses have an RNA genome, but they also are unique in the RNA family of viruses, where their RNA genome is reverse-transcribed. That is, written backwards by an enzyme unique to retroviruses called reverse transcriptase. That enzyme writes the RNA into DNA.

Then they have another enzyme called integrase. Integrase is like a pair of scissors that cuts open your DNA and then inserts the retrovirus, which is only about 8,000 base pairs, a very, very, very small virus, 50 to 100 nanometers on an electron micrograph. That piece of DNA — called a provirus — is now in the DNA of your cells forever. Every time your cells replicate, you make more viruses."

Now, this DNA insertion has been ongoing throughout human history. According to Mikovits, about 10 percent of the human genome is retroviral in origin. These are called human endogenous retroviruses. These, however, differ in that they've been crippled by our DNA methylation machinery — the human immune system — so that they can no longer make whole viruses and therefore cannot infect others.

However, when you're infected with a retrovirus such as human T-lymphotropic virus (HTLV-1) or chronic Lyme disease and develop immune dysfunction, these endogenous retroviruses begin to be expressed, and this is yet another really important finding.

Dr Judy Mikovits Full Interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCY1LlzLXew

Quote from: https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2099/12/31/retrovirus.aspx

Individuals Infected With Retroviruses Should Avoid Vaccinations

According to Mikovits, retroviruses such as XMRV affect entire families, as it can be transmitted to your offspring. Many of these families also have children with autism, which Mikovits believes may be connected to the retrovirus. The question is, what can you do if you're infected? For starters, Mikovits recommends avoiding vaccinations.

"Until 2011, not inconsequentially, we didn't vaccinate AIDS patients the same way. It's in the book. You don't vaccinate the immune-compromised … By definition, you have an immune system that doesn't work. Why would you vaccinate them?

   Why would you vaccinate somebody under 3 years old, who has an immune and detox systems that don't work? This was the key of the RNA cell story, of the Thompson fraudulent paper [Editor's note: This refers to William Thompson, Ph.D., a former senior scientist at the CDC's National Center for Immunizations and Respiratory Diseases, who confessed he conspired to cover up links found between the MMR vaccine and autism].

   All they had to do was wait for black boys to be 3 years old, and they would have been able to degrade the RNA virus. That's criminal. That's beyond comprehension …

   The pearl of wisdom is this DNA methylation. Keep the violent virus silent … DNA methylation has to silence them. You can't inject them in a vaccine. We're injecting millions of pieces in parts of retroviruses in every vaccine, by definition.

   I have an ongoing cancer lawsuit that says vaccines cause childhood cancer, a lymphoma. By these same mechanisms, you've destroyed the DNA methylation machinery's ability [to silence the virus]. You've simply overwhelmed the substrate. You've overwhelmed the ability to methylate.

   Every time those viruses integrate, you have a better chance at insertional mutagenesis. Don't expose anybody to human retroviruses. Use anti-retroviral therapy, which are natural products … There are lots of natural products. We published on them. Those are actually therapy for these kids.

   [A 100-year-old drug called Suramin] was one of the first anti-retroviral therapies for HIV … [It] worked best against the murine leukemia virus-related viruses, against the mouse retroviruses, the gamma retroviruses …

   [Dr. Robert] Naviaux [professor of medicine, pediatrics and pathology at University of California San Diego School of Medicine] did a small clinical trial.1 These kids got their life back.2 They started talking again. What did Bayer do? They stopped the trial and took the drug away from everyone. Now, you can't get it …

   We could help millions of people get over [autism]. But when you show cure, you know cause. That's it. I would be right … Millions of people would get their lives back, and it's all about money."

Read more at https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2099/12/31/retrovirus.aspx.

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Quote from: Astargath on November 03, 2018, 10:42:46 AM

Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2018, 03:00:21 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 31, 2018, 10:48:12 AM

Vaccines are needed, anyone who says they are not is a moron just like anyone who says all vaccines are 100% safe is also a moron.

Well, of course vaccines are needed at this stage of the game. What would happen if everybody suddenly realized that vaccines were poison, and were responsible for creating many maladies, including the ones that they were supposed to be destroying? If everybody suddenly realized this, they would stop trusting doctors and the medical. In fact, they would be out to lynch members of the medical. The whole medical would collapse. Because of the size of the medical employment population, millions would be out of a job. The economy would collapse, and amidst civil war, at that.

No, it's better to keep on destroying health with vaccines, a few hundred thousand people at a time, than that the whole country, and large parts of the world, collapse by letting everybody understand the destructiveness of vaccines.

Cool

Just curious, what do you actually think it's the cure of the diseases that vaccines are eradicating.

Why do you like asking questions that don't have answers, if that is a question (no question mark)? And you say "it's" when you should say "is" if you want to make any sense.

Quote from: Astargath on November 03, 2018, 10:42:46 AM

Like how would you get rid of polio and other terrible diseases exactly?

Since vaccines don't eradicate any diseases, here's what does:
1. Good nutrition: good food and good water;
2. Good hygiene;
3. Let the disease run its natural course;
4. Death;
5. But mostly, a healthy relationship with God, who cures all diseases according to the best wisdom around.

Cool

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The Unreported Health Benefits of Measles

Quote from: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/10/no_author/the-unreported-health-benefits-of-measles/

100% vaccine uptake. The truth is that measles and other childhood infections may actually protect against life-threatening conditions like cancer and heart disease.

Not long ago, measles infection was considered a normal immunological rite of passage in children, with the CDC itself still identifying anyone born before 1957 as having presumptive evidence of immunity against measles due to the lasting protection conferred by natural exposure. Check out this video on measles as depicted in the media half a century ago, wherein it is the subject of laughter and not mortal fear.

Measles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7zwNZOg8mE

Read more at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/10/no_author/the-unreported-health-benefits-of-measles/.

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Quote from: BADecker on October 31, 2018, 03:00:21 PM

Quote from: Astargath on October 31, 2018, 10:48:12 AM

Vaccines are needed, anyone who says they are not is a moron just like anyone who says all vaccines are 100% safe is also a moron.

Well, of course vaccines are needed at this stage of the game. What would happen if everybody suddenly realized that vaccines were poison, and were responsible for creating many maladies, including the ones that they were supposed to be destroying? If everybody suddenly realized this, they would stop trusting doctors and the medical. In fact, they would be out to lynch members of the medical. The whole medical would collapse. Because of the size of the medical employment population, millions would be out of a job. The economy would collapse, and amidst civil war, at that.

No, it's better to keep on destroying health with vaccines, a few hundred thousand people at a time, than that the whole country, and large parts of the world, collapse by letting everybody understand the destructiveness of vaccines.

Cool

Just curious, what do you actually think it's the cure of the diseases that vaccines are eradicating. Like how would you get rid of polio and other terrible diseases exactly?

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Both vaccinated and unvaccinated children in the study got sick sometimes. As expected, vaccinated children were less likely to have some infections they were vaccinated against: they were significantly less likely to have had chickenpox (Odds Ratio 0.26) and whooping cough (pertussis) (OR 0.3) (see Table 2).

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Quote from: Astargath on October 31, 2018, 10:48:12 AM

Vaccines are needed, anyone who says they are not is a moron just like anyone who says all vaccines are 100% safe is also a moron.

Well, of course vaccines are needed at this stage of the game. What would happen if everybody suddenly realized that vaccines were poison, and were responsible for creating many maladies, including the ones that they were supposed to be destroying? If everybody suddenly realized this, they would stop trusting doctors and the medical. In fact, they would be out to lynch members of the medical. The whole medical would collapse. Because of the size of the medical employment population, millions would be out of a job. The economy would collapse, and amidst civil war, at that.

No, it's better to keep on destroying health with vaccines, a few hundred thousand people at a time, than that the whole country, and large parts of the world, collapse by letting everybody understand the destructiveness of vaccines.

Cool

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