Topic: Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? - page 24. (Read 45532 times)

If your point is that scientific theories are the best we have, then why are you arguing with me? That has been my position all along. My point was that badecker is a moron who dismisses scientific theories, calls them a ''hoax'' You can certainly disagree on some aspects of any given theory, gravity, evolution but calling them hoaxes simple makes you an idiot.

I literally answered your question in this post, but you didn't stop frothing at the mouth long enough to actually read it. Loving the personal attacks in the reputation section because you can't handle a legitimate debate too.

The article I listed wasn't proven to be BS. Rather, the article you provided simply shows how government and the medical often try to make it look like they are doing something, when they are not, really. Anybody who sits down and takes your article apart, word by word, can see that there is nothing that is actual proof for vaccines in it. The only proof it shows is that there are a bunch of people, both in government and the medical, who set up methods for supposedly finding vaccine proof, and supposedly for protecting the public. But the proof is not proffered. If it were, the people who won in my article, would not have won, because government would have shown the proof of the vaccine tests.

That's always the way it is with you and the medical. You make it sound like you have proof for the medical point in question. But it winds up only being proof that you set up guidelines to find the proof. It takes court actions like the one I showed to prove that you, the medical, and government don't have the actual proof - https://phibetaiota.net/2018/09/rebecca-campbell-us-government-loses-vaccine-lawsuit-has-lied-to-the-public-for-decades-vaccines-not-tested-autism-will-drop-if-parents-use-this-case-to-legally-challenge-mandated-vaccinatio/.

No no, don't try to run away from your article which was proven to be complete bullshit, don't switch like you always do, admit the article was trash.

If you did a bit of research, you would find that the whole premise for vaccines is false. Simple cuts, or injecting water or simple H2O2 into the blood, has the same, basic effects of vaccines, without the side effects. What do cuts or water injections do? They activate the immune system (and H2O2 even kills off disease and neutralizes toxins). But they do it without the side effects of things like mercury which are found in vaccines.

How in the world goofy are you? In some public places, if florescent light bulbs that contain mercury accidentally break, they evacuate everybody in the building until they can decontaminate. Back a few years ago, mercury in fish was warned about by government in a big way, and the warnings are still there. Decades ago they got rid of mercury in thermometers because of how dangerous it is. You can check it out with simple Internet searches.

Now even the CDC and government warn us that there is mercury in at least some vaccines. What?!?!?!?!? How in the world crazy can that be? That they would even allow stuff injected into people to come near mercury. But they don't simply, accidentally, without-proper-care, mistakenly allow it. Rather, they PUT the mercury into the vaccines intentionally!

And here you are, trying to tell people that vaccines are safe and good for you. You and a bunch of people like you are all menaces to society. What's your real purpose? Are you trying to promote the formal policies of people like the Illuminati, who are trying to reduce the world population formally? The populace needs to be warned about people like you.

If you did a bit of research you would know your post is full of bullshit. https://vaxopedia.org/2018/07/22/did-the-us-government-lose-a-landmark-vaccine-lawsuit/

But of course, if it's anti vaccines it has to be 100% true always, right?

Finally we are starting to see where you are messing up. These are government and medical charts. Who knows that they are true, now that the https://phibetaiota.net/2018/09/rebecca-campbell-us-government-loses-vaccine-lawsuit-has-lied-to-the-public-for-decades-vaccines-not-tested-autism-will-drop-if-parents-use-this-case-to-legally-challenge-mandated-vaccinatio/ court has proves that government doesn't have vaccine proof?

You are so silly. You get the proof right from a court case, and you want to go on believing fictitious charts... that even if they were true, there is no proof that it was vaccines and not nature that kicked in and got rid of the disease, and the vaccines were simply taking the credit because they used timing rather than doing the job themselves.

Go on back to that website where vaccines produced more polio than nature. Probably polio was induced by some other medicine, so that there were outbreaks, so that the vaccine could be used to make more outbreaks, so that it could be shown later, when the natural drop came about, that it was vaccines that did it, even though they didn't.

Lies all over the place about the effectiveness of medicine. So, I don't blame you for being skeptical. But when you won't accept facts, you must be part of the medical, and this must be one of the ways that you make money.

'' That is literally the best science has to offer'' Which was my point all along? What's your point exactly? Do you think scientific theories are useless or not?

Yeah pretty much. Everything is relative. That doesn't mean there is no truth, just you are statistically unlikely to ever see or know it. We can make educated guesses about things. That is literally the best science has to offer. That doesn't make it useless or something we shouldn't strive for, but if you don't understand this, what you are practicing is not science, it is religion.

I don't really give a fuck about any of the other points argued here so don't bother arguing them with me. I am not here to defend them.

LOL. Prove that vaccines are beneficial, and that the article is wrong.

Prove it. That's just an article saying stupid shit, no evidence.

Then since we know that nothing will ever be true, why even try?

The point is that we are finding that the whole medical is full of lies. Lies are the opposite of truth. And this among a whole lot more is proving it - https://phibetaiota.net/2018/09/rebecca-campbell-us-government-loses-vaccine-lawsuit-has-lied-to-the-public-for-decades-vaccines-not-tested-autism-will-drop-if-parents-use-this-case-to-legally-challenge-mandated-vaccinatio/.

So what, what the fuck is your point here? Nothing will ever be 100% true, ever. You can't prove anything with an 100% certainty. Saying that is useless, that's why we use the best we have, the best we can do, which is scientific theories. Yes they are up for debate, if that's what you really want me to say, but not any debate, some idiots saying evolution isn't real shouldn't be seen as a debate. The evidence for gravity or evolution is so overwhelming that you basically have to accept it as 100% truth. We have been using and applying scientific theories for a variety of things and it works, science works. Someone who is unable to accept well established scientific theories just because he doesn't like them should NOT discuss anything related to science, and that's a fact heh.

It doesn't matter how much you test it, how much data there is, or how well it is accepted, a "theory", or "scientific theory" is still a theory. As a theory, as with all science, nothing is ever settled, and everything is up for debate if new contradictory data is presented. You may not agree with the data, you may think it is inaccurate, but it is a fact this is how scientific theory operates. There is no such thing as settled science, and things that were "facts" 5 years ago, 5 months ago, or 5 minutes ago are often not "facts" a moment later because new data is discovered.

I believe that any sane person should refuse any type of vaccination. It causes irreparable damage to health and psyche. We should not do this even if official medicine forces us to do this.

Many would like to believe that governmental organizations and institutions were founded with the purpose of protecting a country's citizens and their children. However, as time passes by, and even more atrocious scandals are dug up and leaked, it is getting harder to believe that these institutions are put in place to protect the citizens.

''Where possible, theories are tested under controlled conditions in an experiment.[1][2] In circumstances not amenable to experimental testing,''

Stop cherry picking, are you badecker's brother?

And as I said, ''One can understand abductive reasoning as inference to the best explanation'' Scientific theories are the best explanation we have right now, they might not be 100% true but unless you can prove otherwise they remain as true. Note that evolution is tested and has been tested for a long time.

There is no opposing scientific theory to evolution, at most some scientists disagree on specific things inside the evolution theory but no one has been able to present a better theory, not even fucking close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abductive_reasoning

"Abductive reasoning (also called abduction,[1] abductive inference,[1] or retroduction[2]) is a form of logical inference which starts with an observation or set of observations then seeks to find the simplest and most likely explanation. This process, unlike deductive reasoning, yields a plausible conclusion but does not positively verify it. Abductive conclusions are thus qualified as having a remnant of uncertainty or doubt, which is expressed in retreat terms such as "best available" or "most likely". One can understand abductive reasoning as inference to the best explanation,[3] although not all uses of the terms abduction and inference to the best explanation are exactly equivalent.[4][5] "


In other words under debate. Thanks for making my argument for me.

Scientific theories are by definition not up to debate. A scientific theory has a very different meaning than a ''theory''. Not saying a scientific theory is the absolute truth and they can certainly change but only after a lot of evidence is presented. In the present any scientific theory is the best understanding we have of, gravity, evolution, quantum physics, etc etc.

''A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested and verified in accordance with the scientific method, using accepted protocols of observation, measurement, and evaluation of results. Where possible, theories are tested under controlled conditions in an experiment.[1][2] In circumstances not amenable to experimental testing, theories are evaluated through principles of abductive reasoning. Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge.[3]''