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June 15, 2017, 12:09:41 AM
With you wondering why you'd have to pay $3 million worth of VERI for a $3 million real-estate transaction, it seems we both have some learning to do.

No, I was not wondering. I was making a statement that the $3 million figure is not practical and impossible.

If anyone wants to say it is a possibility, he/she better make sure he/she has a valid basis for it.
And definitely not basis based on wrong math.

Note: If you want to make a point, at least "impress" me by giving the correct answer to 3 trillion / 100 million. Then we will move on from there.
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June 15, 2017, 12:07:14 AM
With you wondering why you'd have to pay $3 million worth of VERI for a $3 million real-estate transaction, it seems we both have some learning to do.

The way I understand it is that with 18 decimal places, you'll still pay pennies if VERI is at say $100k per coin. You'll pay 10 cents which is 0.000001 VERI to shift $3 million

I would strongly suggest anyone that wants to give financial advice/tips/suggestions/opinion needs to get themselves sufficiently educated on financial matters first, at least in financial planning as a basic start.

Thereafter you learn about the world economy/commerce, etc.

Once you have financial literacy and have a strong sense of world commerce, you move on to understand the Veritaseum project.

Only then can you (and anyone) have credibility and validity in making a statement about the value of VERI.

Or else everything will be based on imagination, fantasy, and falsehood.


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June 15, 2017, 12:03:47 AM
One issue i don't fully understand is why the need for VERI token instead of just using Bitcoin. Like Yours Social Network and Kim Dot Com's new Bitcache network use Bitcoin, why can't this platform use bitcoin as the native currency. Anyone?

The token is used to subscribe for Veritaseum's services.

The token isn't a replacement or alternative to bitcoin. Anyone saying the token has such potential is making a false statement.
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June 14, 2017, 11:58:51 PM
The way I understand it is that with 18 decimal places, you'll still pay pennies if VERI is at say $100k per coin. You'll pay 10 cents which is 0.000001 VERI to shift $3 million

I would strongly suggest anyone that wants to give financial advice/tips/suggestions/opinion needs to get themselves sufficiently educated on financial matters first, at least in financial planning as a basic start.

Thereafter you learn about the world economy/commerce, etc.

Once you have financial literacy and have a strong sense of world commerce, you move on to understand the Veritaseum project.

Only then can you (and anyone) have credibility and validity in making a statement about the value of VERI.

Or else everything will be based on imagination, fantasy, and falsehood.

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June 14, 2017, 11:50:31 PM
The way I understand it is that with 18 decimal places, you'll still pay pennies if VERI is at say $100k per coin. You'll pay 10 cents which is 0.000001 VERI to shift $3 million.

One issue i don't fully understand is why the need for VERI token instead of just using Bitcoin. Like Yours Social Network and Kim Dot Com's new Bitcache network use Bitcoin, why can't this platform use bitcoin as the native currency. Anyone?


https://youtu.be/C-XoSWLXaAU?t=1255 Deep link to actual conversation section where he estimates VERI value...

He made an outrageous estimate that I sincerely believe anyone that is financially-literate enough (or have enough common sense) will totally disagree.

And of course, his estimate is based on the 100 mil supply that I consider as conservative that you were quick to disagree but show no disagreement on Bix Weir's.

The market size needs to consider the fee charged for using Veritaseum's services.

If I have an estate worth $3 mil to sell and I want to use Veritas for the transaction, I am not going to pay $3 mil for it because at the end I would end up having zero; I might as well just keep my estate from selling.

The value needs to be based on the fee charged (I forgot how many basis points) on using Veritaseum's platform, which will actually be a tiny fraction of Bix Weir's ultra wild and unrealistic $3 mil estimate.

$3 trillion divided by 100 mil is NOT $3 million. And assuming anyone is basic math competent enough to figure out the answer, it needs to consider the basis points charged as fee.
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June 14, 2017, 11:13:38 PM
https://youtu.be/C-XoSWLXaAU?t=1255 Deep link to actual conversation section where he estimates VERI value...

He made an outrageous estimate that I sincerely believe anyone that is financially-literate enough (or have enough common sense) will totally disagree.

And of course, his estimate is based on the 100 mil supply that I consider as conservative that you were quick to disagree but show no disagreement on Bix Weir's.

The market size needs to consider the fee charged for using Veritaseum's services.

If I have an estate worth $3 mil to sell and I want to use Veritas for the transaction, I am not going to pay $3 mil for it because at the end I would end up having zero; I might as well just keep my estate from selling.

The value needs to be based on the fee charged (I forgot how many basis points) on using Veritaseum's platform, which will actually be a tiny fraction of Bix Weir's ultra wild and unrealistic $3 mil estimate.

$3 trillion divided by 100 mil is NOT $3 million. And assuming anyone is basic math competent enough to figure out the answer, it needs to consider the basis points charged as fee.
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June 14, 2017, 08:44:18 PM
Hi manager, when will the rewards of the bounty program be paid?
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June 14, 2017, 08:01:48 PM
Still no bounty....


Reggie mentioned during the ICO that he might continue the bounty beyond the ICO end date (May 26th)

From this tweet about top engaged community members, I'm pretty sure it's continuing as we speak ... 50,000 Veritas up for grabs

https://twitter.com/ReggieMiddleton/status/874903216051425280



*cha-ching

 Cheesy
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June 14, 2017, 07:45:41 PM
Still no bounty....
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June 14, 2017, 05:22:18 PM
somebody just screwed up and posted an open buy order for .99 Veri/Ether. I couldnt get to the sell order in time  Undecided
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June 14, 2017, 04:33:58 PM
Here's Bix Weir talking Veritaseum on Hump Day
https://youtu.be/C-XoSWLXaAU?t=1255 Deep link to actual conversation section where he estimates VERI value...
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June 14, 2017, 04:15:22 PM
Here's Bix Weir talking Veritaseum on Hump Day

https://youtu.be/C-XoSWLXaAU

 Cool
Thanks, I'll check it out.  Veri now on the offer close to 5-1 ratio, 10.282 ETH offered for 53 VERI.  13-1 plus ratio less than 48 hrs ago!
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June 14, 2017, 03:14:42 PM
Here's Bix Weir talking Veritaseum on Hump Day

https://youtu.be/C-XoSWLXaAU

 Cool
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June 14, 2017, 02:42:39 PM
Thank you. I have used the "Request Form" at the bottom of CoinMarketCap to send through a request.
The in and out numbers for the contract are transfers, the circulating supply is 1,948,938.05539709.

Also my sig will track the median price on etherdelta, with lower and upper hinges. Since etherdelta is an distributed exchange, you can take any offer you want. Someone is putting outrageous high and low orders.


Where did you get that number from?
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June 14, 2017, 12:25:08 PM
I can't agree to that estimation. The description in the crowdsale was quite clear; They were described repeatedly as the equivalent of Gift Cards. The tokens are for purchase of services from Veritaseum. The reserve of unsold tokens were stated to be for large institutional buyers. Those purchases of VERI would predominantly be for purchasing Veritaseum's services. So I don't see those making it to market. Ever.

Veritaseum's crowdsale is different enough you must examine the nature of the token carefully to understand the value. Saying there are 100 Million tokens on the market is NOT true. Based on Veritaseum's stated business model, I don't expect we will see these reserve tokens on the market.

I also cannot agree that Veritaseum's market cap represents $4 billion. I think it is conservative to say their valuation is $498,928,142, definitely some room to grow, especially when the additional services come online. This is easily doable for a startup disrupting a traditional industry. Look at Uber, or AirBNB for instance.

Until there is a new statement from Veritaseum on the reserve Tokens I will stand by this analysis. I also believe that VERI is not tied to the price of Ether for it's valuation. So projecting $60 billion for Ether doesn't matter.

1. Does the $4 bil market cap figure seem overbearing/expensive to you? That the Veritaseum project isn't worth that much?
2. Can you confirm that the reserve tokens will NEVER be sold into the market? Or is that from personal assumption?

Note: You don't need to agree to anything. I am not here seeking your agreement. Your understanding of finance is itself questionable and thus I do not consider your input valid.
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June 14, 2017, 12:22:32 PM
The race is on to comprehend cryptos. 
The race is on to comprehend EtherDelta. 
Peeps who figure it out get cheap crypto. 
When it's easy to buy, the price will be high. 
Extra effort made now, will be your reward in due course.
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June 14, 2017, 11:40:46 AM
A conservative number of supply is 100 mil simply because that's what's already in place, not pending mining nor issuance.
And looking from a positive perspective, that's $4 billion market cap.
That's not expensive if Bitcoin will go to over $80 bil and Ethereum to over $60 bil.

I can't agree to that estimation. The description in the crowdsale was quite clear; They were described repeatedly as the equivalent of Gift Cards. The tokens are for purchase of services from Veritaseum. The reserve of unsold tokens were stated to be for large institutional buyers. Those purchases of VERI would predominantly be for purchasing Veritaseum's services. So I don't see those making it to market. Ever.

Veritaseum's crowdsale is different enough you must examine the nature of the token carefully to understand the value. Saying there are 100 Million tokens on the market is NOT true. Based on Veritaseum's stated business model, I don't expect we will see these reserve tokens on the market.

I also cannot agree that Veritaseum's market cap represents $4 billion. I think it is conservative to say their valuation is $498,928,142, definitely some room to grow, especially when the additional services come online. This is easily doable for a startup disrupting a traditional industry. Look at Uber, or AirBNB for instance.

Until there is a new statement from Veritaseum on the reserve Tokens I will stand by this analysis. I also believe that VERI is not tied to the price of Ether for it's valuation. So projecting $60 billion for Ether doesn't matter.

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June 14, 2017, 11:35:22 AM
the website is terrible-looking and the price is wtf, wish i picked some up when it got dumped to 12 sats tho, if cmc has that correctly
That is why I asked for more info to be able to explain any of what is on there in laments terms for those who are just wanting to get into it for the first time.
All of what is on there is more or less confusing and detracts from those who are looking for an alternative to bitcoin so to use for their everyday transactions.
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June 14, 2017, 11:00:34 AM
A conservative number of supply is 100 mil simply because that's what's already in place, not pending mining nor issuance.
And looking from a positive perspective, that's $4 billion market cap.
That's not expensive if Bitcoin will go to over $80 bil and Ethereum to over $60 bil.
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June 14, 2017, 10:33:55 AM
Thank you. I have used the "Request Form" at the bottom of CoinMarketCap to send through a request.
The in and out numbers for the contract are transfers, the circulating supply is 1,948,938.05539709.

Also my sig will track the median price on etherdelta, with lower and upper hinges. Since etherdelta is an distributed exchange, you can take any offer you want. Someone is putting outrageous high and low orders.


Thank you. Hopefully they will see it. I've sent them a link to this thread. Unfortunately their request form leaves very little room for details.

I encourage you and others here to also contact them.
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