Topic: VOD should be removed from default trust for systematic abuse of his position - page 43. (Read 55257 times)

@takagari... I'm sure you and Vod both feel you are 'right'... I cannot disprove either of your positions.  I even asked Vod to give you another chance but he, like you, feels truth is on his side.

My advice , just let it go and chalk it up to a lesson in diplomacy.

I agree with this but others don't.

I shall repost it though, as you guy's keep skimming the fact's to back your statement,
So We lied, and were not to be dealt with, using extreme caution.

Here's where I picked apart VODs statement.
All easily proven and can all be tracked off timings.
He quoted his own responses etc.

Your hilarious
We've proven time and again where vod has CLEARLY lied his ass off, even outright, or by bending the facts. and yet He isn't held to the same standard, The neg feedback he left on me is FULL of lie's and bent truth to make it seem even worse.

As for him removing it?
I never started that to have the red -1 removed, I wanted the slander and lies about me gone, He didn't infact do that. He simply changed it from red to black, still calling me a liar. The Lies and slander were not gone.

hey I was one who practically begged for Vod to remove your
initial neg rate , and he did so, even after you started a thread
called "Vod is a dipshit".

Your red was removed...thanks to me.

But you couldn't leave well enough alone and
decided you needed to neg Vod even though
he only had a neutral trust on you...and then
because of that, he changed it to a new neg.

i agree, vod leaves neg to people who piss him off

being an asshole or a jerk here doesnt mean a scammer IMO

So that makes them assholes.
Doesn't mean they are thief. Or scammers.


This entire forum is a joke, and your frankly all a bunch of children.

Tech  give it up man.
Your not part of the cool kid club.
clearly vod has suckered the right d*ck and is.

Move on

earlier today I was thinking 'maybe Vod has gone too far' but I can't really disprove any of his reasons for leaving negative trust on people.   There definitely is a common thread among the people he neg rates, even if they aren't 'scammers'

Since when is applying a negative rating to people for "lying" an appropriate use of the default trust? It is clear that he is simply trying to silence me from bringing his abusive behavior to light, not attempting to warn anyone of scammers like the system was intended.




The difference is in my situation staff mobilized and took personal action to ensure I was removed from the default trust along with publicly slandering me and chastising me for it. Staff do not even confront you in public about your actions let alone mobilize to have you removed. This is exactly the point, we are NOT both in the same boat, you get preferential treatment.



Exactly. The staff ruled that my leaving a negative feedback for Armis for lying about and harassing me was not sufficient reason for a negative rating either. This is clear evidence that some users are more equal than others as far as enforcement of the rules around here, and it has gone to VOD's head so much that he is openly and willfully abusing the default trust system now... to silence people talking about his abuse of the trust system no less.



VOD did do something to trigger that reaction, and he does so repeatedly, yet the people who trust him, Badbear, Canaryinthemine, and Tomatocage refuse to check his abuses. "pushing peoples buttons" is not an acceptable reason for use of the default trust system to leave a negative rating. The fact that you are his "pal" just demonstrates you are only here to shill for this user. According to the staff there ARE inherent responsibilities attached with being on the default trust list, which is why Theymos personally requested the users who trusted me to remove me. If they just spontaneously decided to remove me it would be different, but they didn't. They were requested to do so by staff and others.

For some reason the staff found it appropriate to get directly involved with my removal over a single complaint, but not in VOD's case. One of the reasons cited were that being on the default trust is a responsibility to hold higher standards for leaving feedback in order to protect the integrity of the system. VOD is clearly abusing the default trust to serve his personal uses AT THE EXPENSE of the community repeatedly, yet I don't see staff mobilizing to protect the integrity of the default trust system. The default trust system as it is is certainly not fair, and I argue it also does a poor job of "working" by preventing scamming as well. The trust system as it exists does more harm than good, and I am not the only one who thinks so.

Isn't about time for the user "jrretirement" to make an appearance on behalf of Techshare advocating the removal of Vod?



~BCX~

You did something that motivated people to go around and suggest others removed you from their trust list. Vod didn't do something to trigger that reaction. Maybe you're just better at pushing peoples buttons / stepping on peoples toes than others. As a side note, I would trust my pals over a random stranger on a forum any day. 


There are no explicit responsibilities attached to being on someone's (even Default trust's) trust list. Being on Default Trust's list does however creates more visibility and potentially more scrutiny. Someone's actions may or may not lead to being added or removed from a trust list. It is not a perfect system. It is probably not even fair. Yet it mostly works.

I was removed from level two trust for leaving feedback on a person who was lying and trying to extort money from me. I felt that made the person i left negative feedback on untrustworthy in my eyes but i was still removed.

So how do MY actions determine what the STAFF is doing?     You don't know if the staff are protecting me or not - so you are lying by stating it as a fact.


No one explained the responsibilities to me either -  I was also just added one day with no explanation - you and I were in the same boat.  However, I was able to adapt and change.  

Since when did lying not become an extreme indicator of being able to trust someone?

You have an odd system of measuring trustfulness.


~BCX~

Just because you disagree with something I said does not make it a lie, even if it were untrue (your actions prove it is). Simply disagreeing with me is not justification for leaving me negative default trust. Even if I was lying about you (I am not) this is still not sufficient reason to leave negative trust. Furthermore I am not sure how you abusing the default trust to punish me for pointing out you abuse the trust proves your point.


This is not just about me being removed from the default trust, it is about HOW I was removed from the default trust, and how those same standards do not apply to other users here like VOD. The staff had no problems mobilizing themselves to ensure I was removed from the default trust by personally going around requesting that the members who trusted me remove me, but these same staff members are unwilling to do the same when one of their own pals goes MUCH FURTHER, repeatedly abusing the trust system without remorse.


No one ever explained to me that responsibilities were also included along with being on the default trust, I was just added one day with no explanation. I am not sure how I am supposed to honor responsibilities I didn't know existed, were not explained to me, and are not written anywhere. This is why I was removed from the default trust, not because I am "untrustworthy".

watching... I am sure it will be fun  . What's cool about electronic argumentation is that normally no ones get hurt (or rephrased it's only possible to self hurt) , and there is time to think to the best appropriate answer.

There ya go.  There's your lie (again), because it's simply not true no matter what you think.  

1) I haven't lied about you, even once - I noticed you can not provide a single example. I don't see how you actually providing an example disrupts the forum. This is just a vague baseless accusation that you refuse to flesh out (because it never happened).

2) Me pointing out your abuse of the default trust is not lying about you, and this is clearly an attempt to punish me using the default trust system for taking about your abuse of the trust system. This has nothing to do with lying or trolling - this is you using this community as a cudgel to attack people who rightly criticize your actions.

My goal was never to troll you regardless if you really believe that, but rather point out that you are allowed by the staff to freely abuse the trust system without repercussion, and your actions against me demonstrate this.

agree.

I guess I just feel sorry for people that get caught up in their own hasty reactions, because
it makes them seem as bad as the scammers with the big red marks.  It also dilutes those
marks for the real scammers.

First of all (and on topic) NO person should decide who is on anyone's trust list. Asking someone with administrative powers to modify some other person's trust list is wrong. I you think person A should remove person B from their trust list you have to convince person A to actually do it. "DefaultTrust" is managed by administrators so if you want a person to be removed from it you can try to convince an administrator. Vod is not direclty trusted by DefaultTrust. Asking to get him removed from DefaultTrust is therefore nonsense.

I consider Vod's first trust to be a good test. If the user can't handle it well (goes off on some verbal rampage) then I'd prefer not to deal with that user. If the user does handle it well... Hey, Vod does remove feedback when it turns out to be wrong.

I got myself involved in the whole evershawn drama and I left the following feedback for him:


In return he left this for me:


Obviously I feel my trust on him is totally valid. I also think my feedback clearly conveys why I left it. His feedback however.... Well, do you think I am a shill? Do I "perpertrate scams"? Does my account exist only leave negative feedback? Does my account scam?

I followed a few other "Vod is a " threads and found that in general he seems to weed out scammers and hotheads/assholes. I'm fine with that.