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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 32784. (Read 26634325 times)

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Bitcoin officially a security under US law: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/06/us-court-sec-bitcoin-idUSBRE97517G20130806

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(Reuters) - U.S. regulators got the green light from a federal judge to proceed with their lawsuit against a Texas man accused of running a Ponzi scheme using Bitcoin, the virtual online money system.
Trendon Shavers of Bitcoin Savings & Trust had challenged the Securities and Exchange Commission's case against him, saying the regulator had no jurisdiction to sue him because the Bitcoin investments he offered are not securities or subject to any U.S. regulation.

But U.S. Magistrate Judge Amos L. Mazzant in the Eastern District of Texas ruled on Tuesday that his Bitcoin investments "meet the definition of investment contract, and as such, are securities."

Bitcoin exists through an open-source software program. It is not managed by any one company, it is not regulated by any central bank, and its supply is controlled through a computer algorithm. Users can buy bitcoins through exchanges that convert real money into the virtual currency.

The SEC warned investors against the dangers of potential scams involving virtual currencies like Bitcoin in an alert on July 23, the same day it filed the charges against Shavers.

Tuesday's ruling could have important implications for the still murky legal world surrounding digital currencies, which is not regulated by the United States.

Bitcoin has come under greater scrutiny after U.S. authorities in May seized two accounts linked to a major operator in the Bitcoin digital market.

The judge's decision could be important for Cameron and Tyler Winklevoss, the twins who became famous after alleging that Facebook Inc founder Mark Zuckerberg stole their website idea.

In early July, they applied to the SEC for approval to launch a Bitcoin-tracking exchange-traded product known as the Winklevoss Bitcoin Trust.

The SEC alleges that Shavers essentially used money from new investors in his Bitcoin endeavor to cover withdrawals by older investors and his own personal expenses.

The agency said he raised at least 700,000 bitcoins, or $4.5 million, from investors in multiple states.

Shavers had asserted that his Bitcoin investments are not securities because Bitcoin is not money, but the SEC countered that they constituted both investment contracts and notes.

"It is clear that Bitcoin can be used as money," the judge wrote. "It can be used to purchase goods or services."

Shavers could not be immediately reached for comment.

Will this have an impact on market movement?
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It also looks like the three day EMA lines on Clark Moody will cross back over soon, the last time that happened was shortly after the 08/2012 drop when the price of a bitcoin went from $11 to $266.
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The DDOS, together with removal of some bid walls to plunge the bid sum, and the multi-selling was a clear attempt at creating panic, but it failed miserably. Guess its Up for the short term.


I can't believe people are still pulling this stunt.
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I got all excited about a page 1403 and it was just someone complaining about a lack of posting activity.

FML

Let's be drinking buddies, FOL.
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I got all excited about a page 1403 and it was just someone complaining about a lack of posting activity.

FML
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I get all excited for a new post in this thread and it's just ChartBuddy.

FML
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4 minutes, well here we go Six minute.

Eh, this has happened before, and it never ended up causing any panic. Now, if a whale sold right now, and Gox didnt fix the lag.. well...



I think it caused a bit of panic on the 10th of April.

Long time ago with a lot more lag [in the hours]
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The DDOS, together with removal of some bid walls to plunge the bid sum, and the multi-selling was a clear attempt at creating panic, but it failed miserably. Guess its Up for the short term.


Yeah, some people with lots of money on Gox, put up the walls, then hit the servers with DDOS, then pull the walls, and hoped for a sell off.

The question is, why put the walls back up? Was it a test?

Could have been I suppose, if they actually wanted the price to go down I think it would have worked better without the DDOS.


I think by now most people see the huge lag and no actual trades happening and therefor nothing happens.
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The DDOS, together with removal of some bid walls to plunge the bid sum, and the multi-selling was a clear attempt at creating panic, but it failed miserably. Guess its Up for the short term.


Yeah, some people with lots of money on Gox, put up the walls, then hit the servers with DDOS, then pull the walls, and hoped for a sell off.

The question is, why put the walls back up? Was it a test?
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The DDOS, together with removal of some bid walls to plunge the bid sum, and the multi-selling was a clear attempt at creating panic, but it failed miserably. Guess its Up for the short term.
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this is what happens when rpetilia tries to manipulate. total failure
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Do you see the sharp drops in bid sum? The first one persuaded me to dump into the 106.1 wall earlier today.
They should be correlated with significant price drops...

Because...?
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Do you see the sharp drops in bid sum? The first one persuaded me to dump into the 106.1 wall earlier today.
They should be correlated with significant price drops, but the first one had almost no effect on the market.

Because nobody wants to sell into a 3 month queue :\
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Do you see the sharp drops in bid sum? The first one persuaded me to dump into the 106.1 wall earlier today.
They should be correlated with significant price drops, but the first one had almost no effect on the market.
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More of the same.

There can be no rally or sell off on Gox, well meaningful ones anyway, with their asinine delays.
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Stupid DDoS and dump attack. To succeed they should have DDoSed MtGox while NOT dumping on MtGox but on Bitstamp.
The market depth there is much smaller and they could have dropped the price by 8$ with the same amount of BTC required
to drop 2$ on MtGox. Now when the spread between MtGox and Bitstamp would have been 16$ instead of the usual 8$,
what would many of us think? Let's dump on MtGox while I can get in front of others, 8$ drop is a big deal.

Dumping on Stamp won't have the same effect. If they can hit the "leader", they can knock everyone down.

The good news, if they did try a DDOS, they failed pretty miserably. Anyway, we are down a little but still in a trading range.

What next?...
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