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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 32867. (Read 26708188 times)

legendary
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You are mistaken, Bitstamp only has to abide by the laws of the country it is registered in.
Which is UK for Bitstamp itself, but Slovenia for their bank.
It's the US citizens that also have to abide by those laws when doing business with Bitstamp.

If US customers are specifically targeted by Bitstamp, it clearly is subject to US regulation (from an US point of view). Same thing if it only did business with US customers but was completely kept in Slovenian or something, thus not specifically targeting US citizens, US laws would still apply.

The only question is:
"Can the US authorities excert their power over Bitstamp or not?". If Bitstamp has no legal representation in the US, it may not be liable to court orders or prosecution but may as well be shut down if the American authorities extend their influence across the Atlantic which is very narrow between the US and the UK, if you know what I mean.

This is how bitcoin-24.com got shut down btw. It targeted German customers but was incorporated in the UK as well. The banks didnt care.
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
In communist Russia the exchange shuts down you!

srsly, how would they go about btc-e? Bribe a Russian official?
legendary
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Any business intentionally or knowingly offering services to US citizens is subject to laws there. Period.

Is it your arbitrary opinion?

This is how US Authorities can and did explain shutting down of an offshore business e.g Poker sites operating out of its borders but serving US citizens.

No they weren't operating from out of the US, they were trying to be sharky by operating from within the US and hosting the site somewhere else.

There's a shitstorm on the horizon and it's about to hit.

Now the SEC have 'come out' as investigating this and quoting this forum in their filings I'm pretty sure they will also go after the operators of other Bitcoin related security exchanges who offer securities for sale to US residents. It doesn't matter if they're fraudulent of now.

For example I've seen investment documents (Billion+ dollar funds) in the past from companies outside the US and US citizens who are not 'accredited investors' are specifically prohibited from participating. This is due to the SEC laws.

They will be coming for the GLBSE operator and anyone else who sells shares to US citizens.

This is bearish on all fronts.
legendary
Activity: 1666
Merit: 1057
Marketing manager - GO MP
Any business intentionally or knowingly offering services to US citizens is subject to laws there. Period.

Is it your arbitrary opinion?

This is how US Authorities can and did explain shutting down of an offshore business e.g Poker sites operating out of its borders but serving US citizens.

No they weren't operating from out of the US, they were trying to be sharky by operating from within the US and hosting the site somewhere else.
legendary
Activity: 1428
Merit: 1000
Any business intentionally or knowingly offering services to US citizens is subject to laws there. Period.

Is it your arbitrary opinion?

This is how US Authorities can and did explain shutting down of an offshore business e.g Poker sites operating out of its borders but serving US citizens.
legendary
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Merit: 1823
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sr. member
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Born to chew bubble gum and kick ass
Any business intentionally or knowingly offering services to US citizens is subject to laws there. Period.

Is it your arbitrary opinion?
legendary
Activity: 2170
Merit: 1094
You are mistaken, Bitstamp only has to abide by the laws of the country it is registered in.
Which is UK for Bitstamp itself, but Slovenia for their bank.
It's the US citizens that also have to abide by those laws when doing business with Bitstamp.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
Ultranode
LOL@everyone moving coins to Bitsamp. Keeping money on any exchange not registered, or seeking registration, with Fincen is idiotic at this point. Any business intentionally or knowingly offering services to US citizens is subject to laws there. Period.

There might be an exception for a business when a very small, insignificant portion of its activities reach into US borders. But no way would Bitstamp fall into such an exception. I doubt any exchange would, considering the vast, vast majority of trading is by US citizens.

Think about it. If physically setting up shop on foreign land is sufficient to evade US laws, then why don't we see more foreign businesses selling dangerous products (exploding barbie dolls) or openly offering money laundering to US citizens? Laws and treaties. Dummies.

Bitstamp and BTCe going down by the end of the year, for sure. If you don't have your coins/fiat on Gox or CampBX, may as well just kiss them goodbye.


Cool story bro, tell it again.

NOU. if you question my flawless logic, then lay out your story for criticism.
hero member
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Ultranode
If anyone doubts me, call a lawyer up and ask about how courts determine whether a foreign entity is subject to US jurisdiction. Hint: not having an account with a bank on US soils is insufficient to evade jurisdiction.  Cheesy Cheesy

You knowingly sell shit or offer services to US citizens, you gotta abide the laws. Very simple.
legendary
Activity: 1666
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Marketing manager - GO MP
LOL@everyone moving coins to Bitsamp. Keeping money on any exchange not registered, or seeking registration, with Fincen is idiotic at this point. Any business intentionally or knowingly offering services to US citizens is subject to laws there. Period.

There might be an exception for a business when a very small, insignificant portion of its activities reach into US borders. But no way would Bitstamp fall into such an exception. I doubt any exchange would, considering the vast, vast majority of trading is by US citizens.

Think about it. If physically setting up shop on foreign land is sufficient to evade US laws, then why don't we see more foreign businesses selling dangerous products (exploding barbie dolls) or openly offering money laundering to US citizens? Laws and treaties. Dummies.

Bitstamp and BTCe going down by the end of the year, for sure. If you don't have your coins/fiat on Gox or CampBX, may as well just kiss them goodbye.


Cool story bro, tell it again.
hero member
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Ultranode
Reversed Jaroslaw what problem do you have to propagate Gox in such a manner? Dump some coins, would better fit you... Please.

I only buy, no dumping.
legendary
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WePower.red
Reversed Jaroslaw what problem do you have to propagate Gox in such a manner? Dump some coins, would better fit you... Please.
hero member
Activity: 686
Merit: 500
Ultranode
LOL@everyone moving coins to Bitsamp. Keeping money on any exchange not registered, or seeking registration, with Fincen is idiotic at this point. Any business intentionally or knowingly offering services to US citizens is subject to laws there. Period.

There might be an exception for a business when a very small, insignificant portion of its activities reach into US borders. But no way would Bitstamp fall into such an exception. I doubt any exchange would, considering the vast, vast majority of trading is by US citizens.

Think about it. If physically setting up shop on foreign land is sufficient to evade US laws, then why don't we see more foreign businesses selling dangerous products (exploding barbie dolls) or openly offering money laundering to US citizens? Laws and treaties. Dummies.

Bitstamp and BTCe going down by the end of the year, for sure. If you don't have your coins/fiat on Gox or CampBX, may as well just kiss them goodbye.
legendary
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hero member
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And by implication that sends a message to all the doubters that bitcoin is *NOT* a ponzi scheme!

Very big news.

You clearly do not understand FUD.
By association it can be interpreted exactly opposite - it was a ponzi all along, now confirmed by the SEC.

I can see your point, but I think the stronger message is that the SEC press release mentions bitcoin as if it is somewhat normal and that the Ponzi scheme is the exception. If bitcoin itself was the Ponzi scheme why would they pay attention to this guy when there are registered exchanges operating in the US they could go after?

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Difficulty receiving payments.
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sr. member
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And by implication that sends a message to all the doubters that bitcoin is *NOT* a ponzi scheme!

Very big news.

You clearly do not understand FUD.
By association it can be interpreted exactly opposite - it was a ponzi all along, now confirmed by the SEC.

I can see your point, but I think the stronger message is that the SEC press release mentions bitcoin as if it is somewhat normal and that the Ponzi scheme is the exception. If bitcoin itself was the Ponzi scheme why would they pay attention to this guy when there are registered exchanges operating in the US they could go after?
hero member
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Why should Pirate be bullish? If it is, just make another disgrace, then fix it a little bit and we are going to da moon. Oh, sorry. That's why we are at 95$ and not 95 cents. This bitcoin is realy weird. Forum is full of "something is wrong", "manipulation", "exchange problems"... People will simply just left this shit. I thought that bottom was 50, but now I think that 266 was top of the tops.
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
And by implication that sends a message to all the doubters that bitcoin is *NOT* a ponzi scheme!

Very big news.

You clearly do not understand FUD.
By association it can be interpreted exactly opposite - it was a ponzi all along, now confirmed by the SEC.
legendary
Activity: 2380
Merit: 1823
1CBuddyxy4FerT3hzMmi1Jz48ESzRw1ZzZ
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