Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 33187. (Read 26465123 times)

Not a single trade at Gox in the last 6 minutes.

Only 6 trades at Gox in the last 42 minutes.

Jeeeeeeez.... That's slow indeed. Fear, Uncertainity, Doubt? Interest fading out?

A little bit of everything.

Well , I've been practicing archery for about 6 years as a hobby (only minor competitions , not worth mentioning) so I think we have a different view of a bow .
Honestly , I would think it will take me months to build a hunting one with my skills , thats why the "HIGH" offer.

i would accept. that also implies, that you are not able to craft your own bow. i already did this, when i was around 6 years old. so i will open a brand new bow-business.

The moment we free ourselves from the tyranny of the goverment and become free...

I'm selling you my laptop and all my bitcoins for a bow , 10 arrows and a blanket.


Edit : till then i'm offering my btc at a 150$ rate.

I often wonder why it is that some violently fight the idea of any aspect of human interaction being unregulated by some sort of central authority. Why is that? Not being able to conceive of such arrangements working due to lack of imagination? General mistrust of people? Sincere belief that everything under the sun just works out better if we have a single set of rules enforced by deadly force? Honestly, I don't really get it.

I'm happy to see a concept like Bitcoin coming along and (so far) proving that free human interaction is not only possible, but desirable.

Also to all those people wanting Bitcoin (and everything else) to submit to regulation: there is a number of people (like me) who desire freedom from regulation. Due to moral/ethical considerations or due to their conviction that plurality of options and freedom to experiment ultimately bring about better results and stability. This number keeps growing with every disaster brought about by regulation and central planning. Perhaps one day we will reach a critical mass of people desiring freedom and being willing and able to take responsibility for it.

As long as there is no choice and no option for people not wanting to submit, all we really have tyranny.

That makes sense , my bad.

@Coinseeker:

1) you don't seem to understand that black market is not "tiny". It's a 1,800 billion/year economy. Do the maths.

2) you don't seem to know that the Bitcoin concept was born in cyberpunk and crypto-anarchists circles, and that was designed with very "unpatriotic" characteristics at its core. It's decentralized and trust-free (do you understand what does this implies for the US Gov and the FED?), and it is conceived from the very beginning to be resilient to Governments attacks. I wonder why someone like you is interested in such a concept.

Then, you mock me up because I said that real demand brought BTC to "a whole $14" from $0.07. You are blind if you do not see how immense growth is x200 in just a couple of years because of the demand generated by two tiny businesses (SD and SR). And you are just plainly ignorant if you do not understand how huge is the potential growth regardless of BTC being banned or semi-illegal. Give it time, and then we will discuss.


True, the current price is based on speculation. The "natural" demand of BTC brought us to $14, and based on current electricity costs (miners won't sell their coins at a loss) the speculation-less price for 1BTC it's around $50. This is hard math, not speculation. Just check the numbers yourself.

Difficulty and thus electricity cost per BTC will keep increasing, and "real economy" around BTC will grow accordingly, as it always did: if there is a global ban (almost impossible), we will still have black market economy + "idealists" using it, and that will lead to steady (but slower) growth. If there is an US ban (unlikely at this point, but a possibility somewhere in the future), we will still have increasing demand all over the rest of the world, which will lead us to exponential growth. If there is no ban at all, even better for us all.

There are only two lethal threats to Bitcoin:

a) the development of a superior crypto-currency with the same core characteristics (trust-free and decentralized and thus immune to Government attacks)
b) a fatal flaw in the technology of the protocol (highly unlikely at this point)

Every other scenario has been analyzed, and Bitcoin is designed to rise stronger from those scenarios, including a Government ban.

From the page aepfel linked:


7*3600*24 = 604800

Are you sure about that number?

Today the Bitcoin network is restricted to a sustained rate of 7 tps by some artificial limits.

max. transactions/second is atm artifactionaly keept low to not blow up blockchainsize unnecessarily.

Are you sure about that number?

Bitcoin can't do more than about 605k transactions a day without a hard fork.

Client downloads number is worth *******.
And , you assume a mass adoption with 10x number of people in two years? Are you joking?

We currently have 55k transactions a day (just double from the lowest point in 2012) , so 550k would be that amazing?
And remember , transactions outside the top100 (sd/pools etc.) are just half of it.