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legendary
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Looks like MtGox is losing strength. http://blog.bitpay.com/2013/06/important-update-on-bitpay-exchange.html?oid=1039_1

Thursday, June 20, 2013

Update on BitPay Exchange Rate Calculations

Effective immediately, BitPay has temporarily stopped using Mt. Gox for determining the exchange rate for our invoices.

The rate calculation that BitPay uses for each invoice is now as follows:

1.  Pull the full Level II market depth, on the bid side, from multiple exchanges.

2.  Merge the market depths into one Consolidated Level II table.

3.  Calculate the blended clearing price for the amount of the invoice, assuming an auto-routing market sell order across all exchanges, with zero commission.

BitPay is committed to offering the fairest possible rate to the buyer, while minimizing our counterparty risk.


Which in the current market would amount to the MTGox price because
1) MtGox has the highest price by a significant margin.
2) MtGox still has the highest liquidity.

Well I don't know how that works out but BitPay is effectively using the bid price of Bitstamp right now. See for yourself: https://bitpay.com/bitcoin-exchange-rates

All that does is make me not want to purchase anything with bitcoins until this price gap has leveled out.
hero member
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2) MtGox still has the highest liquidity.

Huh? I thought liquidity was, by definition, the capability to take money in and out?
legendary
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Looks like MtGox is losing strength. http://blog.bitpay.com/2013/06/important-update-on-bitpay-exchange.html?oid=1039_1

Thursday, June 20, 2013

Update on BitPay Exchange Rate Calculations

Effective immediately, BitPay has temporarily stopped using Mt. Gox for determining the exchange rate for our invoices.

The rate calculation that BitPay uses for each invoice is now as follows:

1.  Pull the full Level II market depth, on the bid side, from multiple exchanges.

2.  Merge the market depths into one Consolidated Level II table.

3.  Calculate the blended clearing price for the amount of the invoice, assuming an auto-routing market sell order across all exchanges, with zero commission.

BitPay is committed to offering the fairest possible rate to the buyer, while minimizing our counterparty risk.


Which in the current market would amount to the MTGox price because
1) MtGox has the highest price by a significant margin.
2) MtGox still has the highest liquidity.
legendary
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But don't wanna sell em cos I still love them....an obsessive trap. Is there some sort of therapy thread on here?

don't be all in. if you are, sell some
legendary
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legendary
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legendary
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Watching this whole BTC experiment unfold is really exciting, the good with the bad...

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yes it is, but it can get stale at times Sad bubble times was awesome until the mid april crash. Now I'm just watching myself very slowly lose money. But don't wanna sell em cos I still love them....an obsessive trap. Is there some sort of therapy thread on here?
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What country are you in? That might help you figure out if you want to sell now.
legendary
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Watching this whole BTC experiment unfold is really exciting, the good with the bad...

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yes it is, but it can get stale at times Sad bubble times was awesome until the mid april crash. Now I'm just watching myself very slowly lose money. But don't wanna sell em cos I still love them....an obsessive trap. Is there some sort of therapy thread on here?
legendary
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I think I just wasnt clear enough -- I think it is the price disparity scaring them [which was more or less caused by panic sells]

At 101 vs 109 we're only at an 8% spread now

At the peak yesterday, it was 90 vs 111! Why would they want people to be able to spend their bitcoins at a value of $111 when they might only be able to get $90 for them?
legendary
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Antifragile
Final nail in mtgox coffin?

They really aren't going anywhere. They will continue to lose market share, but also they will gain new customers over time just being out there and big. The best we can hope for is a more decentralized exchange network, before decentralized exchanges (or something that serves the same purpose), takes over.

Watching this whole BTC experiment unfold is really exciting, the good with the bad...

legendary
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Antifragile
Yeah, more simply stated, "We're switching from using MtGox last price to Bitstamp highest bid"

Im sure this is nothing more than them worrying the panic sells on Bitstamp may represent the true price and didnt want to lose 10-20% at the worst of it.

I started a thread on it here, if anyone want's to comment: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/mtgox-no-longer-the-standard-for-exchange-rate-240706

Interesting that you are saying they are worried more about a panic sell (a day to a few) rather than an overall price disparity. I am not sure
that is the case. Regardless of the reason, I am really happy to see this step...


legendary
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Final nail in mtgox coffin?
legendary
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Yeah, more simply stated, "We're switching from using MtGox last price to Bitstamp highest bid"

Im sure this is nothing more than them worrying the panic sells on Bitstamp may represent the true price and didnt want to lose 10-20% at the worst of it.
legendary
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Antifragile
Looks like MtGox is losing strength. http://blog.bitpay.com/2013/06/important-update-on-bitpay-exchange.html?oid=1039_1

Thursday, June 20, 2013

Update on BitPay Exchange Rate Calculations

Effective immediately, BitPay has temporarily stopped using Mt. Gox for determining the exchange rate for our invoices.

The rate calculation that BitPay uses for each invoice is now as follows:

1.  Pull the full Level II market depth, on the bid side, from multiple exchanges.

2.  Merge the market depths into one Consolidated Level II table.

3.  Calculate the blended clearing price for the amount of the invoice, assuming an auto-routing market sell order across all exchanges, with zero commission.

BitPay is committed to offering the fairest possible rate to the buyer, while minimizing our counterparty risk.
legendary
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I'm going to a very important meetup, we will be discussing our buying all the bitcoins in existence  Cool

Hey, don't do it! Price would go to 0.
legendary
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I noticed that too, which sucks, because I really like to see whats going on with the depth.

Also, new wall on $106 just came up. Pretty sure its the wall that was on $108 [2000 of the 2500 was pulled]

Now 2000 on $106.

Smiley

I know i'm good on the fiat side if there's moving walls on tha bid side..

I dunno, bitstamp is starting to look a lot better [although thats because ~1200 of wall was pulled, 1k on 108 and another couple hundred in front of it..]

Im surprised with all the people trying to snag a deal on bitstamp that the price is staying right around $100.

Just yesterday it was like BTC20 to get under 90, and before that something like BTC2000 to break thru both 100 AND 90. Now theres over BTC2000 on 90 alone.
legendary
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Volume so low even chartbuddy got bored and stopped posting
LOL

We are waiting for your predictions, Adam  Wink

I'm going to a very important meetup, we will be discussing our buying all the bitcoins in existence  Cool
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I noticed that too, which sucks, because I really like to see whats going on with the depth.

Also, new wall on $106 just came up. Pretty sure its the wall that was on $108 [2000 of the 2500 was pulled]

Now 2000 on $106.

Smiley

I know i'm good on the fiat side if there's moving walls on tha bid side..
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