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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
I've been wondering recently what is "more than you can afford to lose"?

should there be a distinction between "more than you can afford to lose" and "an amount that you can afford to lose, but it's quite a large percentage of what you own"...?

Well yeah, there is a distinction. That's why you expressed it differently.  Undecided


yes Smiley

..I feel the phrase gets thrown around a lot... personally more than I can afford to lose would mean I can't support myself if I lost it. I lost so much that I can't afford other things.


for someone else the same phrase will mean something different, e.g. if they lost their savings. They may still have their house and enough money coming in to survive and maintain a certain quality of life... the distinction is present but the phrase stays the same.

I'm enquiring more as to what a possible "standard definition" of the phrase should be.


e.g. I read some advice somewhere that it's not a good idea to have more than 5-10% of your assets in one investment. For those who subscribe to that practice, if they lost more than 11% then that would be their "more than they can afford".



EDIT - thanks for the other replies, typing rather slow today...

Rampion essentially covered what I've written here Smiley
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Since when cheap coins look bad?

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Always. It hurts the coin.

This is not true. Bitcoin already went from $32 to $2. Did it "hurt the coin"? No. Bitcoin is resilient, but very much prone to volatility because of its scarcity. Don't fool yourself thinking that it can only go up. It will go up, then down, then it will bubble, then it will lose 85% of its value.

Been there, seen that. Nothing to worry about. Just be cold-minded enough to do not shit yourself when it loses 85% of its value, just BUY more.

 

Quite right but don't hold it like an idiot all the way down - sell it and buy it back much cheaper.


That's the ideal, but it's not so easy to spot the tops and the bottoms. I very much prefer to hold than to make a mistake and end up with less BTC's.

I admit a daytrade a bit, but only with play money, for the fun of it. Most of my trading consists in spotting the bottom to buy more, that's it.
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definitely put more then you can afford to lose in BTC... trust me don't make the same mistake i made

Sorry adam, but that's bad advice. Bitcoin is a high-risk investment, and that's why it has such a potentially huge return. If you put more than you can afford to lose (meaning that your life would change significantly if you lose it, that you may not be able to pay debts, send your kid to school, etc.) you are just a nuthead or a pathologic gambler. Because at the end of the day, BTC is more a gamble than an investment.

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definitely put more then you can afford to lose in BTC... trust me don't make the same mistake i made
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Starting to look bad from here...  Lips sealed

Since when cheap coins look bad?

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Always. It hurts the coin.

No only when you are "all in" (which means you are broke and invested more than you can afford to lose)


I've been wondering recently what is "more than you can afford to lose"?

should there be a distinction between "more than you can afford to lose" and "an amount that you can afford to lose, but it's quite a large percentage of what you own"...?



Well, the % you can afford to lose is different for every person, depending on his circumstances.

Some guy in his 20s could totally afford to lose all his fiat denominated savings on BTC - the cost of losing the opportunity could be higher than the damage done if his few $'s vanish.

A guy completely debt-free and with a nice and secure monthly income could also risk a relatively high % of his savings to BTC.

Au contraire, someone with a family to feed and a monthly income that is just enough to cover the expenses, should risk very little of his savings on BTC.

It's just a matter of personal situation. I know that in other times of my life I would have risked all my fiat savings, which is something I wouldn't do now.
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I've been wondering recently what is "more than you can afford to lose"?

should there be a distinction between "more than you can afford to lose" and "an amount that you can afford to lose, but it's quite a large percentage of what you own"...?


It's really up to the individual. You can set hard limits at the level of "an amount where if you lost it you'd be bankrupt/in serious trouble" etc, but for each individual what they're comfortable with risking on an investment/speculation, what they can recover, and what they can mentally and emotionally endure are all different for each person.

General principle: don't invest an amount where if you lose it your life will change for the worse in significant ways.
legendary
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Starting to look bad from here...  Lips sealed

Since when cheap coins look bad?

Wink

Always. It hurts the coin.

This is not true. Bitcoin already went from $32 to $2. Did it "hurt the coin"? No. Bitcoin is resilient, but very much prone to volatility because of its scarcity. Don't fool yourself thinking that it can only go up. It will go up, then down, then it will bubble, then it will lose 85% of its value.

Been there, seen that. Nothing to worry about. Just be cold-minded enough to do not shit yourself when it loses 85% of its value, just BUY more.

 

Quite right but don't hold it like an idiot all the way down - sell it and buy it back much cheaper.
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I've been wondering recently what is "more than you can afford to lose"?

should there be a distinction between "more than you can afford to lose" and "an amount that you can afford to lose, but it's quite a large percentage of what you own"...?

Well yeah, there is a distinction. That's why you expressed it differently.  Undecided
legendary
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Starting to look bad from here...  Lips sealed

Since when cheap coins look bad?

Wink

Always. It hurts the coin.

This is not true. Bitcoin already went from $32 to $2. Did it "hurt the coin"? No. Bitcoin is resilient, but very much prone to volatility because of its scarcity. Don't fool yourself thinking that it can only go up. It will go up, then down, then it will bubble, then it will lose 85% of its value.

Been there, seen that. Nothing to worry about. Just be cold-minded enough to do not shit yourself when it loses 85% of its value, just BUY more.

 
sr. member
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
Starting to look bad from here...  Lips sealed

Since when cheap coins look bad?

Wink

Always. It hurts the coin.

No only when you are "all in" (which means you are broke and invested more than you can afford to lose)


I've been wondering recently what is "more than you can afford to lose"?

should there be a distinction between "more than you can afford to lose" and "an amount that you can afford to lose, but it's quite a large percentage of what you own"...?

legendary
Activity: 1148
Merit: 1018
Starting to look bad from here...  Lips sealed

Since when cheap coins look bad?

Wink

Always. It hurts the coin.

No only when you are "all in" (which means you are broke and invested more than you can afford to lose)

This. 

Just a remark: you can be "all in" in the sense that you bought coins with all the funds you have at your disposal for BTC trading/investing, which is obviously needs to be an amount you can afford to lose.
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bears taking advantage  of the usa memorial day arent they ? Smiley no worries we can buy coins back at higher prices soon lol

well, 1% daily trading profit is 3678% annual trading profit if you manage that consistently... Smiley
(But almost nobody does, that doesn't stop one from trying though...)

And the exchanges would sooooo love you.
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Starting to look bad from here...  Lips sealed

Since when cheap coins look bad?

Wink

Always. It hurts the coin.

No only when you are "all in" (which means you are broke and invested more than you can afford to lose)
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I don't see why a holiday would put more selling pressure than buying pressure.

Sure, there could be less buyers, but also less sellers.
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Starting to look bad from here...  Lips sealed

Since when cheap coins look bad?

Wink

Always. It hurts the coin.
sr. member
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"to be or not to be, that is the bitcoin"
re holiday - I would imagine that it's the time when you go and do stuff with friends or family? When you are obliged to step away from the computer and do things in real life? Smiley

also in the same vein there is often a "weekend slump" (apparently), the "long weekend" should help to account for this quiet also no?
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Since when cheap coins look bad?

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And here in Germany bitcoin.de's price is down .10 from yesterdays! That is what happens with low volume (1400 today so far) and low float (3800 right now).

I can only hope for cheap coins...
legendary
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bears taking advantage  of the usa memorial day arent they ? Smiley no worries we can buy coins back at higher prices soon lol

well, 1% daily trading profit is 3678% annual trading profit if you manage that consistently... Smiley
(But almost nobody does, that doesn't stop one from trying though...)
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bears taking advantage  of the usa memorial day arent they ? Smiley no worries we can buy coins back at higher prices soon lol


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