Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 33471. (Read 26496350 times)
May 19, 2013, 07:57:55 AM
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May 19, 2013, 07:46:26 AM
a better, but also more complicated solution would be one that takes into account (1) changes in the graph (i.e. if nearly no change, don't post) and (2) number of human posts in the thread since last bot post (i.e. don't spam the thread)... probably too much to ask for to program this, especially (2), but one can dream:)
The problem with 2 is the unintended consequence. If there have been no posts for 8 hours, do you compress all 8 hours into one graph? Post 8 charts?
Maybe I should just make chartbuddy invokable. Call him and he'll post
Or how about if there are any major wall changes in the past hour? That would be a little more tricky to write but not overly so.
only if it's some esoteric and complex ritual.
May 19, 2013, 07:42:08 AM
a better, but also more complicated solution would be one that takes into account (1) changes in the graph (i.e. if nearly no change, don't post) and (2) number of human posts in the thread since last bot post (i.e. don't spam the thread)... probably too much to ask for to program this, especially (2), but one can dream:)
The problem with 2 is the unintended consequence. If there have been no posts for 8 hours, do you compress all 8 hours into one graph? Post 8 charts?
Maybe I should just make chartbuddy invokable. Call him and he'll post
Or how about if there are any major wall changes in the past hour? That would be a little more tricky to write but not overly so. (Actually pretty trivial to write but it's all in the definition).
May 19, 2013, 07:39:52 AM
That's simply a 3D graph, why is that so hard to understand? It's as easy as drinking!
There are only 2 defects imo:
1) the bot should check the thread and not post the graph more than once per page
2) sometimes (really often, in fact), the 1 hour timeframe is simply too boring. A 6 or 12/24 hour tf could be much more interesting.
There are only 2 defects imo:
1) the bot should check the thread and not post the graph more than once per page
2) sometimes (really often, in fact), the 1 hour timeframe is simply too boring. A 6 or 12/24 hour tf could be much more interesting.
My original thought was for the chart to be posted at the top of every page (or, at least, as close as possible). That was for a simple 2d chart though. The 3D complicates things as that would mean compressing or stretching the time axis over the period of time which is straightforward from a programming point-of-view but would likely make the charts even more difficult to understand.
May 19, 2013, 07:37:17 AM
The problem with ChartBuddy is the 3D-effect. It's simply to hard to read (not hard to understand, just hard to read). I find Bitcoinity to be the easiest to read when I want to see the walls.
Fair comment. I'm not really sure there's much could be done to improve it though. I was thinking of making the rotation dependent on the price change over the course of the hour but don't think that would be immensely helpful.
I guess the question is, do we need an hourly chart and if so, what form should it take? Something like bitcoinity with maybe the 3D smaller and inset just for illustrative purposes? I don't know. I do know whatever I do won't be able to make everybody happy
May 19, 2013, 07:33:15 AM
I think the simple issue with chartbuddy is that at the moment, with low volume and therefore not much to talk about, his contribution to the current conversation is off topic
May 19, 2013, 07:31:18 AM
Quote from: samson link=topic=178336.msg2199489#msg2199489
They offer debit cards too. These can be funded in USD/EUR which you can get by selling your Bitcoin on their exchange.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2173417
You can't trade BTC there with a basic account. You need a verified account.https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2173417
Any idea what it takes to become verified ?
https://passport.wmtransfer.com/asp/WMCertify.asp
May 19, 2013, 07:29:38 AM
Quote from: samson link=topic=178336.msg2199489#msg2199489
They offer debit cards too. These can be funded in USD/EUR which you can get by selling your Bitcoin on their exchange.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2173417
You can't trade BTC there with a basic account. You need a verified account.https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2173417
Any idea what it takes to become verified ?
May 19, 2013, 07:13:03 AM
That's simply a 3D graph, why is that so hard to understand? It's as easy as drinking!
There are only 2 defects imo:
1) the bot should check the thread and not post the graph more than once per page
2) sometimes (really often, in fact), the 1 hour timeframe is simply too boring. A 6 or 12/24 hour tf could be much more interesting.
There are only 2 defects imo:
1) the bot should check the thread and not post the graph more than once per page
2) sometimes (really often, in fact), the 1 hour timeframe is simply too boring. A 6 or 12/24 hour tf could be much more interesting.
maybe just post every 2.5 hours?
i like chart buddy but at dull times it does show up a lot.
+1 (as an easy fix)
a better, but also more complicated solution would be one that takes into account (1) changes in the graph (i.e. if nearly no change, don't post) and (2) number of human posts in the thread since last bot post (i.e. don't spam the thread)... probably too much to ask for to program this, especially (2), but one can dream:)
May 19, 2013, 07:05:59 AM
That's simply a 3D graph, why is that so hard to understand? It's as easy as drinking!
There are only 2 defects imo:
1) the bot should check the thread and not post the graph more than once per page
2) sometimes (really often, in fact), the 1 hour timeframe is simply too boring. A 6 or 12/24 hour tf could be much more interesting.
There are only 2 defects imo:
1) the bot should check the thread and not post the graph more than once per page
2) sometimes (really often, in fact), the 1 hour timeframe is simply too boring. A 6 or 12/24 hour tf could be much more interesting.
May 19, 2013, 07:02:16 AM
May 19, 2013, 06:57:00 AM
Let's focus on the real issue. People like posting walls, and chart buddy makes them redundant. Look at this page, most of the posts are from chartbuddy. It has a negative effect on the overall quality of the tread because it derails discussion and we end up focusing on dumb stuff. This is fine, but I think everything would be better if we went back to a human dominated wall observer.
Interesting point. Part of the reason I wrote ChartBuddy was the hope that having movement be visible on an ongoing basis would help spark conversation. That doesn't particularly seem, to have been the case though. Then again, we have seen a whole lot of stability recently (coincidence or conspiracy?
)The problem with ChartBuddy is the 3D-effect. It's simply to hard to read (not hard to understand, just hard to read). I find Bitcoinity to be the easiest to read when I want to see the walls.
May 19, 2013, 06:56:15 AM
Nice buy
May 19, 2013, 06:52:31 AM
Let's focus on the real issue. People like posting walls, and chart buddy makes them redundant. Look at this page, most of the posts are from chartbuddy. It has a negative effect on the overall quality of the tread because it derails discussion and we end up focusing on dumb stuff. This is fine, but I think everything would be better if we went back to a human dominated wall observer.
Interesting point. Part of the reason I wrote ChartBuddy was the hope that having movement be visible on an ongoing basis would help spark conversation. That doesn't particularly seem, to have been the case though. Then again, we have seen a whole lot of stability recently (coincidence or conspiracy?
) May 19, 2013, 06:44:21 AM
I don't like the idea of bots posting like this, it is just spam. The charts themselves are 99% unintelligible in my opinion.
Ban it I say, if the owner has something worth sharing, he can share it himself
Ban it I say, if the owner has something worth sharing, he can share it himself
I think he should fill them in to smooth surfaces and post a short video of how they evolve in time for the last 6,12 or 24 hours instead of all the instantaneous snapshots ... and rotate the perspective back slightly ... or have like a tunnel view down the center of the walls and play it as a movie as you fly through it (forward in time)
Animated movies would be pretty cool. But animated gifs consume a huge amount of space and not everyone has a high bandwidth connection. That would be better done as an application but would not be able to be embedded in the page (it may be something that I would do at another time).
I didn't want to smooth as that could hide features. Also filling. If a wall pops up, anything behind it would not be visible. It's the difference between powerpoint-style MBA pretty picture stuff and presenting data accurately. Though I do agree that the charts are not useful for technical purposes but there are excellent services like bitcoinity for that. They are more supposed to be a way to view wall movement over time and because before, someone would post asking for charts every couple of hours.
I'll post up a poll sometime to see if it's worth continuing with ChartBuddy. I know some people like it and it's easy to hit ignore but I know it's not appreciated by everyone also.
Edit: I see there's a poll. I'll abide by that.
May 19, 2013, 06:32:58 AM
Quote from: samson link=topic=178336.msg2199489#msg2199489
They offer debit cards too. These can be funded in USD/EUR which you can get by selling your Bitcoin on their exchange.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2173417
You can't trade BTC there with a basic account. You need a verified account. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2173417
May 19, 2013, 06:14:31 AM
Anyone cares about this news:
Webmoney a Russian paypal like payment processor accepts bitcoins
http://blog.wmtransfer.com/en/blog/wmx-the-new-type-of-title-units#.UZiYqZFcj4s
Webmoney a Russian paypal like payment processor accepts bitcoins
http://blog.wmtransfer.com/en/blog/wmx-the-new-type-of-title-units#.UZiYqZFcj4s
Yes, this is quite big news. Lucif was talking about it early last week if I remember correctly.
link to a thread about this? id like to learn more.
It was discussed here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2013-05-16-the-genesis-block-bitcoin-access-expanded-to-over-11-million-users-207711
That covers the basics.
They offer debit cards too. These can be funded in USD/EUR which you can get by selling your Bitcoin on their exchange.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2173417
May 19, 2013, 06:10:24 AM
I don't like the idea of bots posting like this, it is just spam. The charts themselves are 99% unintelligible in my opinion.
Ban it I say, if the owner has something worth sharing, he can share it himself
Ban it I say, if the owner has something worth sharing, he can share it himself
I think he should fill them in to smooth surfaces and post a short video of how they evolve in time for the last 6,12 or 24 hours instead of all the instantaneous snapshots ... and rotate the perspective back slightly ... or have like a tunnel view down the center of the walls and play it as a movie as you fly through it (forward in time)
^^ this.
A gif would make sense.
+1
May 19, 2013, 06:02:23 AM
May 19, 2013, 06:02:16 AM
Anyone cares about this news:
Webmoney a Russian paypal like payment processor accepts bitcoins
http://blog.wmtransfer.com/en/blog/wmx-the-new-type-of-title-units#.UZiYqZFcj4s
Webmoney a Russian paypal like payment processor accepts bitcoins
http://blog.wmtransfer.com/en/blog/wmx-the-new-type-of-title-units#.UZiYqZFcj4s
Yes, this is quite big news. Lucif was talking about it early last week if I remember correctly.
link to a thread about this? id like to learn more.
It was discussed here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/2013-05-16-the-genesis-block-bitcoin-access-expanded-to-over-11-million-users-207711
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