Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 362. (Read 26713218 times)

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I don't really like the "slow" part though, we could use more of "swift" word

We might as well keep up the pressure (short to mid term) which we waited for, patiently.
Means breaking through resistance sooner than anticipated.
But there's my permabull-mindset again... 

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Lord have mercy. Such length.

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https://x.com/saylor/status/1846892667101147264
Saylor called Bitcoin a chess and not a checkers.

Well never liked checkers felt lacking compared to Chess.
https://www.investing.com/news/cryptocurrency-news/bitcoin-is-chess-michael-saylor-says-as-btc-price-rebounds-3669501
For clarification.

QC will come in steps IMO. Enough time to assimilate, when needed.

Some thought's from AA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlzJyp3Qm7s

Hey JJG either you have Alzheimer disease and don't remember what I wrote over the years, or you confuse me with someone else.

If you intentionally wanted to trigger me into a defensive stance to start an argument, you should come up with something better...

BTW it's Thursday, what are you doing here?

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We seem to be consolidating at the current price of  just under 67k. It’s never a bad thing when Bitcoin  enters a small period of low volatility after a fairly significant move up. We don’t want to blow our load too quickly, running hot is not good until later in the bull market.

Slow and steady wins the race, it’s a marathon not a sprint. If I was offered to end 2024 over 80k I’d take it. We would have a real base then to minimum 2 x the price in 2025 then. I am hoping for over 200k per coin in 2025 but anything over 160k would be good. I am expecting minimum 150k next year but probably higher.

I perfectly understand that. But this is a one-sided view to it.


It's actually simple, and much less romantic or naive than it might look at first glance, as well as proven by many spiritual teachings, to mention Shaolin Kung-Fu (Gong Fu, actually) as a more serious and credible example.

Try to look at it like so: Every time you experience negative emotions (pain, grunt, hate and so on) you are attacking your own wellbeing. All feelings based off these emotions are limiting your quality of life. You can (if you practice) stay passive in regards of those feelings, to choose how you want to react right after. This mode of living can actually bring one close to (real) freedom, and it also gives one the neccessary judgement to stand and act above (inherited) moral understandings. That's also where romantic and the lovey-dovey woo-woo ends, because you have to deal with the consequences as well.
One can (externally) justify said negative emotions as much as he wants, but this will create even more events of experience unfree, negative emotions.
When we are grateful, helpful, forgiving, loving (...) we are actually giving much more to ourselves than to others, while not "giving away too much to others", if done right.
Most people are confusing this with dependance, and most time it's some sort of dependance that makes people acting like "giving", but they actually try to take something in return. That doesn't age well, typically.


As stated above, "free will" is bound to taking consequences.
But for the interactions part, you can mostly trust your feelings and walk away in peace, if i have understood your argument well.
We are deciding for ourselves in which interactions and relationships we want to be (stay) in, but most times we are just not brave enough to respect our true needs, because we fear the consequences or blindly follow some bullshit morale codex.

This is a huge discussion between all kind of ethics and cultures, it also was at the roots of christianity, until the church fucked over the original christian messages to slave the people, but now we get way out of topic (in an out-of-topic topic)  

I am not a hippie (or like that) but i refuse to feel bad because of my own decisions. Actually we meet a lot of decisions every day, considering judgements are decisions too. "This dude pisses me off", "I hate pink people", "I love getting put down by my wife, because that gives me her attention"... Should i go on? Theoretically, with a few exceptions, you can quickly change yourself just by monitoring and altering your decisions, and life will react to those actions through consequences. Most people to decide the same, every fucking day, and cry that their life is so unsatisfying.

Shit, now we're even more off topic, so i'll end it here.
Think about it and you should get a good idea. You can always decide to keep thinking about it the same as before  

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Actually, this is a wee bit hilarious... and not that I want to dox uie-pooie, but you create some of your own attention in terms of both your choices of providing various details, and at the same time creating it in terms of a bit of a puzzle too.. so like who does not enjoy attempting to solve a puzzle, especially if there may already be several pieces out there.. .. inferable or even more direct triangulation pieces.

A funny and perhaps sad thing is that even the most aggressive of situations is that you are describing a BTC stash that is ONLY in the ballpark of 5 BTC - which surely would not be a bad sized BTC stash for anyone newly into BTC for 1 cycle or less, and/or even for someone who might be in a place that does not have western prices.. yet gosh even for a guy who is 67 years old, you could actually spread out something like 5 BTC with a kind of time-based sustainable withdrawal system that would not really be too bad in terms of supplementing any income that you currently have and even expectations that whatever income that you currently have is not necessarily going to keep pace with the ongoing debasement of the dollar (and other fiat currencies for anyone who might  be using fiat currencies with even worse prospects).

[edited out portion of my earlier text]

By the way, in one of my more updated fuck you status tables (charts) that I have not yet published, under some of my newer formulas of a 10% per year withdrawal rate based on the 200-WMA valuations, I have projected out that 5 BTC would be sufficient for entry-level fuck you status in western terms by right around late 2030.. and yeah, maybe you don't have that long that you would like to wait for starting to withdraw your BTC, you old fart... so no problem.  

Even though, you ongoingly seem to be confused about whether you are still in your BTC accumulation phases, which is that you seem to be confused about price-based sustainable withdrawal and trading (gambling which you seem to not to be able to resist),  if you were to have somewhere in the ballpark of 5 BTC, you probably still could start to engage in some kind of a time-based and/or even price based sustainable withdrawal that is in the 10% per annum territory and it should be able to supplement your income, or alternatively if you withdrew somewhat less than 10% per annum, then it seems likely that your bitcoin stash value would grow faster than the amount that you are withdrawing (presumptively also accounting for the anticipated ongoing debasement of the dollar - meaning in today's dollar terms).

Look at this:  5 BTC has a spot price value of nearly $340k, yet don't get distracted by that since if we might figure out a sustainable withdrawal rate for you (and 5 BTC-ish) based on the 200-WMA, then the 200-WMA for 5 BTC currently has a value of about $200k, which means that so long as the BTC spot price stays at least 25% above the 200-WMA, then you should be able to withdraw $20k per year ($1,667 per month).... and yeah, it is not any kind of a killer amount, yet it still should give you some ideas about what a sustainable withdrawal rate would be based on that quantity of BTC without devolving into your seemingly irresistible tendencies to want to fuck around with gambling and/or trading...

Based on your posts, I have been getting the sense that you continue to be confused about whether you have yet reached enough BTC accumulation, and surely I personally find that to be problematic, yet I am not the ONLY active person in this thread who likely has reservations about the practice of selling BTC with the goal of accumulating more.. even though surely there are some other active WO members who do engage in those kinds of practices (and sometimes successfully), yet it seems to become more problematic for older farts to be engaging in those kinds of behaviors when either their income is becoming more fixed and/or that their future prospects of income are not very certain (which frequently becomes the case with older folks), and really do you really want to be trapped into any situations that you have to work rather than actually wanting to work?  I know some folks really enjoy working into their elderly years, and so I don't really have any problems with elderly folks choosing to do that and really not lying to themselves in terms of their work being mostly voluntary rather than something that they have to do i order to meet their chosen living standard.


Sometimes, I get so jaded too, even participating in various threads in this forum, and holy fucking shit, there are so many forum members who buy into BTC and are supposedly attempting to establish a BTC position through largely accumulating BTC. They say that is what they are doing, yet they still cannot get over ideas that BTC prices are not guaranteed to go up, so to me, it seems that there are so many guys who can so easily get shaken out of their position (including their supposed ongoing desire to build their BTC holdings) based on their expectation that the BTC price ONLY goes up.. or that it is guaranteed to go up and in that sense they end up getting scared during some of the short (or seemingly long) periods in which the BTC price is either not going up or failing to go up as fast as they are wanting it to go up.. .. so some of those guys are actually overinvesting because they are so fucking afraid to lose the money that they already put in, and as long as the BTC price is going up, they are all fine and dandy, but when the price stays down for too long, they get scared into selling - largely because they are gambling with money they need rather than really appreciating that sometimes the short-to-medium term in bitcoin, and maybe even one or two cycles might have quite a bit of painful periods, since it is not that common for bitcoin prices to go up without painful and dreadful corrections along the way...

and I cannot see those manipulation things stopping or the seemingly convincing FUD spreading, and sometimes us mostly normie HODLers (including my lil selfie in this group) cannot even know when and the extent to which we are being played by various fucktwat status quo rich manipulators who are trying to separate us from our coins... and even some of the relatively older time HODLers could get scared into selling too many corn too soon based on feelings of loss aversion.. It is not just the mindrust types who get lured into such loss aversion feelings.. There are likely even a good quantity of active participants in this this here thread who have been lured into selling too many corn too soon.  I would like to claim that it has not happened to me, but there have been some times that I have been tempted to take a wee bit more off of the table (just in case), so we cannot even know the truth about ourselves sometimes in our self analysis whether we might have had sold a bit more cornz too soon than what was not in our own self-interests to sell so much.. or that perhaps sometimes we fail/refuse to buy more cornz when we should because we have been lured into being afraid that the BTC price might drop more.. and so I am not going to proclaim myself from being completely exempt from those kinds of feelings and/or considerations in terms of how I structure my own actions and/or sometimes my choices not to act.


I was thinking more about guys who go crazy in the sense of various "individually-oriented" vendettas against other individuals that they might not like, rather than vendettas that are battling against political and/or systematic disagreements that people might have (and want to take into their own hands).  

So yeah there are different kinds of going overboard, and surely you are correct that sometimes when guys have learned certain kinds of combating and tactical skills, those skills and even that mindset could end up getting channeled into a combative kind of mindset that might not be healthy, whether the resulting actions end up being targeted in more macro and/or political kinds of ways or if they end up being targeted towards various dislikes that some people might develop against individuals that they know (or think they know)... and surely these days, we seem to be able to meet people from all around the world, without even realizing that we are meeting them, and we can develop good and bad feelings towards other people (people we met on the internet) without even really knowing them as well as we might think that we do and/or without ever meeting them in person.

By the way, my writing this post reminds me of a portion of a dream that I had last night, which included meeting a fellow pusher upper person in real life, and then I recall my saying to the fellow pusher upper that we should do a set of pushups together, and perhaps not really a competition, but instead a kind of verification that each of us were going to be able to do the quantity of pushups that we claim to be able to do.  I remember thinking that I might not be able to do as many pushups as I usually do by myself since I am not really used to an audience that goes beyond one or two people that I know in real life who sometimes witness some or all of some of my pushup sets.  So then I recall asking that person how many pushups he was planning to do, and at the same time, I said that I was planning to do somewhere between 35 and 45 pushups.. which usually I should be capable of doing that many without any kind of an issue and even the worst case situation in which I am sore, I  should be able to do 35 pushups in a set, and the best case scenario, I would end up outperforming my stated goal.   Anyhow the dream portion did not continue from there, so I am not sure how many pushups I ended up being able to do during that interaction. .yet I suppose it is something kind of on my mind in terms of meeting a fellow online person who might know me from my participation in the pushup thread (here's a link/reference for anyone who might be interested in looking at the thread or joining into some kind of a pushup challenge).


Of course, king daddy cornz gives few shits about whether the spot BTC ETF providers are buying bitcoin or not, even though surely there's gotta be some difficulties for those status quo financially rich twats to be getting hold of the quantity of BTC that they are going to need in order to actually have the BTC collateral that they claim to have, and by the way, I recall reading somewhere that many of the ETF providers have language within their SEC approval papers that allows them to have collateral in a varietyof ways that are not just 100% backing by BTC which surely allows for possible shenanigans, while at the same time, they run a pretty BIG risk of getting fucked pretty BIG time if they don't have the BTC that they claim to have (which I think is part of the explanations in regards to how Gamma squeezes can end up taking place and truly fuck over both a lot of the shorters and/or the ones who don't have the BTC that they claim to have.. so good luck to those who fuck around with not buying bitcoin when they are selling bitcoin exposure to others.. hello, FTX in mid-to-late 2022).  


I think that many of us lean more towards OgNasty on this one, even though maybe we would not go so far as to being nice to them and treating them, yet it probably is not good to be confrontational towards folks and to lose our own abilities to be humble.. which when I think further about the matter, truly does not seem to be my impression of an OgNasty trait.. .hahahahaha  

It seems to me that there are still ways of getting digs in at people without sinking to their level and being a jerk.. since being a jerk creates bad karma, and are you going to want to end up being cut into pieces with your body parts in a briefcase, which ended up being the fate of one of the wealth flaunting "crypto" guys in Argentina.


One of the benefits of this forum is to find some like-minded folks, even though there are some members and some threads in which you might be exposed to bad information.. but many of us are mostly bitcoiners, even many of the shitcoiners tend to have decent stacks of bitcoin relative to their shitcoins - even though I believe that shitcoiners are not going to go away, and I recall periods of time in which many shitcoiners were holding less than 10% bitcoin (especially spreading that kind of nonsense in2017 - and probably also in other times), and proclaiming that those kinds of low allocations to bitcoin and over-weightedly allocated to various shitcoins were the better ways to go in regards to increasing chances of being "rich" and becoming a "baller" and a lot of those kinds of bullshit talking points that re-arise from time to time.

Yeah, I know that you are not really talking about your experiences with shitcoins and you seem to be more in line with referring to your experiences with no-coiners, yet there still are a lot of related points, including that there are many times that no coiners will be so stubborn in their wrong ideas about bitcoin that they well go through shitcoining phases before they even come over to figuring out that bitcoin is the only real and substantively meaningful game in town.


I am not going to argue with you about that, especially since frequently it can take a real long time to unlearn bad ideas or even to learn new ideas.. . .such as the ideas that sometimes it will take 6 times of exposure to really start to grapple with new concepts..and we have also heard that the more hours that we have studying bitcoin, then it becomes more and more difficult to refute bitcoin, so there are so many folks who come to having opinions about bitcoin but they have not done enough work in (or studying of) bitcoin in order to really have somewhat of an informed opinion about it.


Another good thing about the forum is that sometimes you will be able to learn better ways of approaching matters rather than going with your own emotions and feelings to want to be right and to show that to others, and surely there tends to be quite a bit of value when we learn how to better control our ego, whether it is through forum threads or in real world interactions that we end up having.

Oh, and by the way, it can be quite problematic to try to convince folks of bitcoin or anything else, and many normies don't really like to be evangelized, so as goldkingcoiner mentioned, we have to be careful in going down the road of trying to evangelize our real life (and even online) acquaintances about the benefits of bitcoin as compared with other possible investments or places to put time, energies and value.


I don't really disagree with your overall points.. .even though some of them are coming off as a wee bit too much lovey-dovey woo-woo.

It seems to me that there remains a bit of a role for some antagonism and ability to argue points with a bit of rigor and even personal attacks (from time to time), whether we are referring to online relations or to in-person relations.  

Of course, there are "acceptable" context-related boundaries too, and none of us should proclaim to be innocent from either purposefully or accidentally crossing over such context-related boundaries..

I am not sure about how to employ the balance exactly, especially since there seems to involve free will and discretion in these matters that sometimes can be difficult for some folks to figure out where to play it, and surely any of us could become uncomfortable when we might get stuck in interactions that we don't really want to be in, and sometimes we might need to learn when to engage and/or when to remove ourselves from the interaction.. and I don't claim to always know how to employ such discretion  (whether in the real world or online) since there always is a bit of a moving target going on, too.

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I would disagree. Quantum is, in theory, the black swan of cryptography.
Personally, i think it's indeed so complex, that every try to extend QC capabilities introduces new problems, which have to be handled in a way that avoids interference of solutions and future problems. It's a common theorem in complex systems, but some scientists are still too naive to obey to rules like this. But maybe salary or fame is so high, that those scientists knowingly just work along the process until the point of ultimate failure is reached.
I believe our brains are just too low-leveled to crack the QC nut, but pride and ignorance still make us try.

EDIT: Honestly, my optimism regarding QC broke simultaneously with Moore's law.

Quantum or not, don't re-use addresses and you will be fine


OT:
A strong Espresso Martini is such a fine drink!

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While i condemn low motivtations like revenge and making fun of poor people - be it mentally, monetary or both - i merited the post for pointing to the elegant alternative.
Good life is all about love and peace, and all your actions should be accompanied by one of those feelings. When it comes to re-acting, things are a bit different, because sometimes the most peaceful and loving human has to take and win a fight.
To come to the point: If you take naysayers and HFSP-people out to dinner, do in the mood of love and happiness.
Poor people just deserve compassion, we should show them some respect in this manner.

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