"Founder" is literally just anyone who has been around for awhile in the airdrops.
It is a title. Like being called "Commander" rank in a shooter game... you aren't really a commander, it is just a title.
For sticking around and believing in the project you get extra. Sure, this doesn't take any special talents, but...
Take this comparison:
Dave joined company X as a startup.
Dave gets paid more each year. Newer people start out at lower wages and make money for the company at lower wages.
Dave still makes money for the company, but the other people do, too. Dave has stayed with the company for years and years and years and even gets stock options.
When new people spend their time at the company, making the very good product X, are they getting scammed?
I'm willing to say, maybe, haha... but that is more of a societal level philosophical question. The reality is that as a society we don't see Dave getting bonuses as bad and we don't see company X as evil (based on these points alone).
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DeepOnion is following the 'freemium' and giveaway models of value.
Both 'John Dies at the End' and 'The Martian' both started as free books available online. Now, both are published novels with movie adaptations.
Nobody has been coerced into buying DeepOnion. Airdrops just help keep you at the same percentage of the whole project, and keep you up with miners.
Topic: WARNING DeepOnion is a SCAM, proof inside! - page 20. (Read 70360 times)
101 pages are already made, and I still dont understand why people consider DeepOnion project to be scam
Here you go, even a child can understand:
Clone novacoin
Add tor to novacoin clone
Premine the shit out of it
Stake premine
Claim it's anonymous (it's not)
Pay shills with your novacoin clone to promote your coin
Give yourself 5 million of the supply, because why not?
Let suckers and paid shills to pump it
Be rich
DeepOnion, a short story
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(3) Founders reward: 2,000,000
(4) Development fund: 3,000,000
(4) Development fund: 3,000,000
https://deeponion.org/airdrop.html
101 pages are already made, and I still dont understand why people consider DeepOnion project to be scam
If DeepOnion is a scam why some people are millionaires now? This is the best privacy coin today, DeepOnion is legit, Well organized and have a best planned not only about the project, but also to their members in the community, If you don't believe me come and join us today and you'll see how strong and loyal we are
As some others have pointed out, a "Ponzi scheme", by definition, requires initial monetary investment, which is then used to pay the first investors, so those entering last are burned. No initial investment, other than a little typing was required. If you're going to call DO a scam, at least be more accurate.
There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time. You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet. Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source. I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.
I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate. Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself. Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine. What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion? Yes, you can. Therefore it is effectively open source. Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"? No, there was not, I was here at the beginning. A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".
Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.
Seems like you made a valid point here. There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time. You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet. Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source. I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.
I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate. Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself. Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine. What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion? Yes, you can. Therefore it is effectively open source. Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"? No, there was not, I was here at the beginning. A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".
Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.
A Ponzi scheme doesn't require any monetary investment, it's a scheme whereby value is transferred to the creators of said scheme.
When talking about ponzi's in crypto, it takes on a whole different meaning due to the natural creation process of crypto, being creating from mere code, essentially out of nothing, based only on trust.
And to every person who's entering DeepOnion after their "17th airdrop" you've have entered into this ponzi scheme unknowingly (you have invested real money into it, or some serious hours of time), and you're actively marketing the coin to acquire more value to your investment, welcome to the free-coin-prymaid-scheme.
The entire operation is Ingenious, and their marketing/community and coin all coupled together, is virtually unparalleled. But, the markets say otherwise, despite countless hours of marketing, the coin itself remains insignificant, with meager volumes and even a more meager mcap. This ultimately is the biggest tell in what people think about this coin.
DeepOnion will not be the last coin to implement "The Onion scheme" in crypto, it's only the beginning.
Consequences for these levels of corruption will be dealt down on the creators/team of DO, through government intervention or karma. There are countless stories to be told, by former individuals who've seen the insides of the entire process, and it isn't pretty. DO could of easily been one of the best coins to launch, but the morons behind the scene's lack all: vision, experience, knowledge and ultimately the ability to understand criticism/feedback.
Does this resemble some process to you?
As some others have pointed out, a "Ponzi scheme", by definition, requires initial monetary investment, which is then used to pay the first investors, so those entering last are burned. No initial investment, other than a little typing was required. If you're going to call DO a scam, at least be more accurate.
There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time. You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet. Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source. I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.
I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate. Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself. Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine. What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion? Yes, you can. Therefore it is effectively open source. Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"? No, there was not, I was here at the beginning. A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".
Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.
Seems like you made a valid point here. There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time. You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet. Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source. I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.
I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate. Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself. Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine. What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion? Yes, you can. Therefore it is effectively open source. Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"? No, there was not, I was here at the beginning. A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".
Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.
A Ponzi scheme doesn't require any monetary investment, it's a scheme whereby value is transferred to the creators of said scheme.
When talking about ponzi's in crypto, it takes on a whole different meaning due to the natural creation process of crypto, being creating from mere code, essentially out of nothing, based only on trust.
And to every person who's entering DeepOnion after their "17th airdrop" you've have entered into this ponzi scheme unknowingly (you have invested real money into it, or some serious hours of time), and you're actively marketing the coin to acquire more value to your investment, welcome to the free-coin-prymaid-scheme.
The entire operation is Ingenious, and their marketing/community and coin all coupled together, is virtually unparalleled. But, the markets say otherwise, despite countless hours of marketing, the coin itself remains insignificant, with meager volumes and even a more meager mcap. This ultimately is the biggest tell in what people think about this coin.
DeepOnion will not be the last coin to implement "The Onion scheme" in crypto, it's only the beginning.
Consequences for these levels of corruption will be dealt down on the creators/team of DO, through government intervention or karma. There are countless stories to be told, by former individuals who've seen the insides of the entire process, and it isn't pretty. DO could of easily been one of the best coins to launch, but the morons behind the scene's lack all: vision, experience, knowledge and ultimately the ability to understand criticism/feedback.
Does this resemble some process to you?
Great explanation. Well done. This is the exact picture of
As some others have pointed out, a "Ponzi scheme", by definition, requires initial monetary investment, which is then used to pay the first investors, so those entering last are burned. No initial investment, other than a little typing was required. If you're going to call DO a scam, at least be more accurate.
There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time. You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet. Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source. I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.
I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate. Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself. Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine. What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion? Yes, you can. Therefore it is effectively open source. Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"? No, there was not, I was here at the beginning. A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".
Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.
Seems like you made a valid point here. There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time. You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet. Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source. I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.
I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate. Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself. Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine. What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion? Yes, you can. Therefore it is effectively open source. Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"? No, there was not, I was here at the beginning. A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".
Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.
A Ponzi scheme doesn't require any monetary investment, it's a scheme whereby value is transferred to the creators of said scheme.
When talking about ponzi's in crypto, it takes on a whole different meaning due to the natural creation process of crypto, being creating from mere code, essentially out of nothing, based only on trust.
And to every person who's entering DeepOnion after their "17th airdrop" you've have entered into this ponzi scheme unknowingly (you have invested real money into it, or some serious hours of time), and you're actively marketing the coin to acquire more value to your investment, welcome to the free-coin-prymaid-scheme.
The entire operation is Ingenious, and their marketing/community and coin all coupled together, is virtually unparalleled. But, the markets say otherwise, despite countless hours of marketing, the coin itself remains insignificant, with meager volumes and even a more meager mcap. This ultimately is the biggest tell in what people think about this coin.
DeepOnion will not be the last coin to implement "The Onion scheme" in crypto, it's only the beginning.
Consequences for these levels of corruption will be dealt down on the creators/team of DO, through government intervention or karma. There are countless stories to be told, by former individuals who've seen the insides of the entire process, and it isn't pretty. DO could of easily been one of the best coins to launch, but the morons behind the scene's lack all: vision, experience, knowledge and ultimately the ability to understand criticism/feedback.
Does this resemble some process to you?
As some others have pointed out, a "Ponzi scheme", by definition, requires initial monetary investment, which is then used to pay the first investors, so those entering last are burned. No initial investment, other than a little typing was required. If you're going to call DO a scam, at least be more accurate.
There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time. You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet. Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source. I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.
I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate. Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself. Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine. What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion? Yes, you can. Therefore it is effectively open source. Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"? No, there was not, I was here at the beginning. A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".
Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.
Seems like you made a valid point here. There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time. You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet. Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source. I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.
I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate. Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself. Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine. What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion? Yes, you can. Therefore it is effectively open source. Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"? No, there was not, I was here at the beginning. A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".
Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.
A Ponzi scheme doesn't require any monetary investment, it's a scheme whereby value is transferred to the creators of said scheme.
When talking about ponzi's in crypto, it takes on a whole different meaning due to the natural creation process of crypto, being creating from mere code, essentially out of nothing, based only on trust.
And to every person who's entering DeepOnion after their "17th airdrop" you've have entered into this ponzi scheme unknowingly (you have invested real money into it, or some serious hours of time), and you're actively marketing the coin to acquire more value to your investment, welcome to the free-coin-prymaid-scheme.
The entire operation is Ingenious, and their marketing/community and coin all coupled together, is virtually unparalleled. But, the markets say otherwise, despite countless hours of marketing, the coin itself remains insignificant, with meager volumes and even a more meager mcap. This ultimately is the biggest tell in what people think about this coin.
DeepOnion will not be the last coin to implement "The Onion scheme" in crypto, it's only the beginning.
Consequences for these levels of corruption will be dealt down on the creators/team of DO, through government intervention or karma. There are countless stories to be told, by former individuals who've seen the insides of the entire process, and it isn't pretty. DO could of easily been one of the best coins to launch, but the morons behind the scene's lack all: vision, experience, knowledge and ultimately the ability to understand criticism/feedback.
Does this resemble some process to you?
Deeponion is not a scam.It has done 32/40 successful airdrop already.The community is still growing and reached 12,000 members in a span of 7 months only.This is my first crypto investment and didn't regretted.
So this "airdrop" was happening since July last year?
They thought they could give coin only to fake accounts mostly, and no one would notice. Or word wouldn't get around. Could've put a little more thought into it, maybe shared with the community for real and would've ended up a lot better.
As some others have pointed out, a "Ponzi scheme", by definition, requires initial monetary investment, which is then used to pay the first investors, so those entering last are burned. No initial investment, other than a little typing was required. If you're going to call DO a scam, at least be more accurate.
There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time. You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet. Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source. I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.
I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate. Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself. Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine. What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion? Yes, you can. Therefore it is effectively open source. Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"? No, there was not, I was here at the beginning. A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".
Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.
There hasn't been a mandatory upgrade of the wallet in quite a long time. You may still compile the code from GitHub and have a working wallet. Later, non-mandatory, upgrades to the wallet, after the introduction of DeepVault are closed to review, however if you do not wish to use that proprietary DeepVault, then, yes, the code is open source. I think I've used DeepVault once, not a feature I really need, so, if I wanted to simply stake or hold Onion, I could use the open source, if I cared to compile it myself, from GitHub.
I dislike misinformation being spread, and I would like to know if anything I've typed is factually inaccurate. Once I investigate your claim, I'll happily correct myself. Now, just for arguments sake, making statements like, "I feel DO is a scam...." is not something I'd even entertain, your feelings have nothing to do with it, neither do mine. What I want to know is, can you compile a functional wallet from open source for DeepOnion? Yes, you can. Therefore it is effectively open source. Was a monetary / fiat investment required to initially join the "modified airdrop"? No, there was not, I was here at the beginning. A minimum is required now, with, nine, I think, rounds left to go, so, break out your Funk and Wagnall's but that fails the definition of a "Ponzi scheme".
Closed versus open source and "Ponzi scheme" seem to be the arguments thrown around the most, and they appear invalid.
Seems like you made a valid point here.
DeepOnion does not promise any high returns, 4% a week is even less than other coins with similar airdrops offer. Price is also not guaranteed to always go up.
Stop using a term "Ponzi", don't make a fool of yourself. The post that is literally above yours also shows why this is wrong.
And if you are doing it intentionally to piss holders off then you are a jerk
I wonder who is more credible. An ad hominem fool, or somebody who points out the obvious without any regard for personal profit. Stop using a term "Ponzi", don't make a fool of yourself. The post that is literally above yours also shows why this is wrong.
And if you are doing it intentionally to piss holders off then you are a jerk
As some others have pointed out, a "Ponzi scheme", by definition, requires initial monetary investment, which is then used to pay the first investors, so those entering last are burned. No initial investment, other than a little typing was required. If you're going to call DO a scam, at least be more accurate.
This is not true. You need to own coins to get anything from "a little typing". So it's a ponzi with extra work involved for those who are being ripped off.We're speaking at cross-purposes. When the airdrop first started, no initial investment, as I said, was needed. The coin wasn't even on an exchange, and couldn't be purchased, so again, it doesn't follow the definition of a Ponzi. If you participated, you received some Onion, and it was only much, much later that the holding rule was removed. The team literally gave the crypto away based on the rules laid out in the original signature campaign. As I said, it was "just a little typing". You could not buy Onion in the beginning even if you had wanted to do so.
Its so difficult. This thread flickers at the top of Altcoin discussion section. There are a lot of people who consider DeepOnion scam. But there are people who make money with their airdrops and keep silence or protects it. I know some of them. You see, its like play casino
I don't know what to say, may be it's a scam, may be not.
What I know is that some friends of mine participated last summer to deeponion airdrop, and I didn't.
Now they are very happy, and I'm not!
What I know is that some friends of mine participated last summer to deeponion airdrop, and I didn't.
Now they are very happy, and I'm not!
DeepOnion does not promise any high returns, 4% a week is even less than other coins with similar airdrops offer. Price is also not guaranteed to always go up.
Stop using a term "Ponzi", don't make a fool of yourself. The post that is literally above yours also shows why this is wrong.
And if you are doing it intentionally to piss holders off then you are a jerk
Stop using a term "Ponzi", don't make a fool of yourself. The post that is literally above yours also shows why this is wrong.
And if you are doing it intentionally to piss holders off then you are a jerk
Looks like DeepOnion is finally doomed with Cryptopia as major exchange holding all coins hostage. What a marvelous end of that Ponzi, Charles loves you all
As some others have pointed out, a "Ponzi scheme", by definition, requires initial monetary investment, which is then used to pay the first investors, so those entering last are burned. No initial investment, other than a little typing was required. If you're going to call DO a scam, at least be more accurate.
This is not true. You need to own coins to get anything from "a little typing". So it's a ponzi with extra work involved for those who are being ripped off.We're speaking at cross-purposes. When the airdrop first started, no initial investment, as I said, was needed. The coin wasn't even on an exchange, and couldn't be purchased, so again, it doesn't follow the definition of a Ponzi. If you participated, you received some Onion, and it was only much, much later that the holding rule was removed. The team literally gave the crypto away based on the rules laid out in the original signature campaign. As I said, it was "just a little typing". You could not buy Onion in the beginning even if you had wanted to do so.
But you are really really just keeping up with your percentage of the total supply.
The airdrop is less of a payment and more a break-even gesture. The project seems to be slowing incorporating more space and allowing more interest as it progresses. I do not see it as even possibly a ponzi. Even if the dev team were to sell out on April 20th, that is their right... everyone knows it up front. There have been 0 promises of riches all along.
The airdrop is less of a payment and more a break-even gesture. The project seems to be slowing incorporating more space and allowing more interest as it progresses. I do not see it as even possibly a ponzi. Even if the dev team were to sell out on April 20th, that is their right... everyone knows it up front. There have been 0 promises of riches all along.
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