After 2-3 hours spending to read all post of this thread, I can assume that DB is very nice guys and I'd love to say I like his site so much.
The only thing that I suggest to prevent all problem's like this in the future is:
1. Make clearly your TOS
2. Improvement your system
And the most important thing is:
3. Do not try to cheating if you are nice guys
BTW, glad to see HS get back his money and special thank to DB you can make some lifes.
Cheers
Topic: Warning: Directbet selective scam 38+ btc CAUTION (Read 7848 times)
Direct bet i mailed your company to complain immediately you about a game i placed
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i have lost over 3000$ betting with your company ,,,,your customer service is poor .....why is it difficult to give me a response
Direct bet i mailed your company to complain immediately you about a game i placed at 1.98odd but you reduced the bet to 1.17odd because vasco gadama scored when a single bet placed in the bet was above 1.20 in a multi bet ...you pend bet and suddenly you changed bet to 1.17 for a double without negotiating nor rejecting when the odd suddenly changed ..Please return my money because i have good evidence ..aslo mailed immediately your support to deject the bet without negotiation before bet comes to an end .
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nice to see this has been settled. directbet A+++
Good job Directbet for resolving this. 
I see this funny, OP is accused of a double spend attack for a potential profit of 10BTC.. and not even a neutral feedback.
*In this case* (edited), if the transaction was confirmed after the match has ended, I would consider this a double-spend attack and Directbet has the right to confiscate the bet amount.
I would disagree with this. The sender has very little control over when his transaction will get confirmed. I am not sure about directbet, but I know that nitrogensports often has live betting up until very near the end of American football games, so if someone were to deposit and place a bet, there is a good chance that the game will be over long before the next block was confirmed.
There is also the issue that blocks are currently full and many people do not understand how to include an appropriate fee attacked to their transaction (just look at how many people are complaining about problems with their transactions).
If directbet thought that the bet in question was going to be a double spend attempt if the bet lost then they should not have accepted the bet in the first place. Directbet has essentially freerolled the OPs bet by accepting it and subsequently claiming it was a double spend attempt.
I have previously left directbet a negative rating and encourage others to do the same in order to warn others about their shady behavior.
In this case I think it is very unlikely (though possible) this was unintentional. This doesn't look a like a simple low-fee-took-some-time-to-confirm case at all.
The claim is that OP bypassed it.
Fair refund amount : reference
36.54957306 * (1-0.3) = 25.584701142BTC
I see this funny, OP is accused of a double spend attack for a potential profit of 10BTC.. and not even a neutral feedback.
*In this case* (edited), if the transaction was confirmed after the match has ended, I would consider this a double-spend attack and Directbet has the right to confiscate the bet amount.
There is also the issue that blocks are currently full and many people do not understand how to include an appropriate fee attacked to their transaction (just look at how many people are complaining about problems with their transactions).
If directbet thought that the bet in question was going to be a double spend attempt if the bet lost then they should not have accepted the bet in the first place. Directbet has essentially freerolled the OPs bet by accepting it and subsequently claiming it was a double spend attempt.
I have previously left directbet a negative rating and encourage others to do the same in order to warn others about their shady behavior.
In this case I think it is very unlikely (though possible) this was unintentional. This doesn't look a like a simple low-fee-took-some-time-to-confirm case at all.
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If directbet thought that the bet in question was going to be a double spend attempt if the bet lost then they should not have accepted the bet in the first place. Directbet has essentially freerolled the OPs bet by accepting it and subsequently claiming it was a double spend attempt.
The claim is that OP bypassed it.
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We do have a minimum fee enforcement in place for in-play betting where bet transfers with low fees are rejected and refunded
Fair refund amount : reference
36.54957306 * (1-0.3) = 25.584701142BTC
Good on you, directbet.eu, it must have been a difficult decision, but you did the right thing. Kudos.
Apologies for ragging on you, nothing personal. Just tired of seeing books abuse customers trust,not just bitcoin books, but fiatbooks as well. It's good to know you can be trusted.
Now please reduce your high overound and maybe, just maybe you could really be the best book in these parts.
Apologies for ragging on you, nothing personal. Just tired of seeing books abuse customers trust,not just bitcoin books, but fiatbooks as well. It's good to know you can be trusted.
Now please reduce your high overound and maybe, just maybe you could really be the best book in these parts.
Hopefully this is a momentary lapse in judgement and not a pattern of abuse. I'm glad that they did the right thing (eventually). I think we can all say that compared to a site like Betcoin, Directbet is light years ahead when it comes to handling sensitive situations like this.
Couldn't agree more.
Hopefully this is a momentary lapse in judgement and not a pattern of abuse. I'm glad that they did the right thing (eventually). I think we can all say that compared to a site like Betcoin, Directbet is light years ahead when it comes to handling sensitive situations like this.
As a goodwill gesture and in an effort to resolve this matter we refunded hungerstyle bet that was initially confiscated due to fraud attempt :
https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o
We also paid out in full hungerstyle other winning bet that was put on hold during this incident :
https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=12Yef7jVW6PsjJgkTZJqD5jJKoweMvt8Wk
hungerstyle informed us that this resolves this matter to his satisfaction.
https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o
We also paid out in full hungerstyle other winning bet that was put on hold during this incident :
https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=12Yef7jVW6PsjJgkTZJqD5jJKoweMvt8Wk
hungerstyle informed us that this resolves this matter to his satisfaction.
https://live.blockcypher.com/btc/tx/f63b25a5aa5654c1c459e81b7aba402c48fade61bdb845858ce8ef9119044840/
Glad you decided to do this DB.
Removing neg trust pending any double spend attempt...(justkidding)
As a goodwill gesture and in an effort to resolve this matter we refunded hungerstyle bet that was initially confiscated due to fraud attempt :
https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o
We also paid out in full hungerstyle other winning bet that was put on hold during this incident :
https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=12Yef7jVW6PsjJgkTZJqD5jJKoweMvt8Wk
hungerstyle informed us that this resolves this matter to his satisfaction.
https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o
We also paid out in full hungerstyle other winning bet that was put on hold during this incident :
https://www.directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=12Yef7jVW6PsjJgkTZJqD5jJKoweMvt8Wk
hungerstyle informed us that this resolves this matter to his satisfaction.
As I've said before, I would would never send my real dox in Hungars situation.
If I did:
What if another double spend attempt happens, will DB assume it's me? What would he do with my dox then?
Also, he initially requested the dox be uploaded to imgur, suggesting he does not understand or respect what comes with keeping private information private.
DB, Delete whatever dox you have, return the voided wager and move on.
If I did:
What if another double spend attempt happens, will DB assume it's me? What would he do with my dox then?
Also, he initially requested the dox be uploaded to imgur, suggesting he does not understand or respect what comes with keeping private information private.
DB, Delete whatever dox you have, return the voided wager and move on.
Let me know if this is incorrect.
Time of transaction: 2016-05-12 14:28:01
Confirmation: 2016-05-13 02:52:11
Match began at: 05/12/2016 21:30
If the transaction was confirmed after the match has ended, I would consider this a double-spend attack and Directbet has the right to confiscate the bet amount.
However, this could be unintentional, so Directbet can consider a partial/full refund of the bet amount.
Directbet shouldn't ask for personally identifying information and should add a note that the bet should be confirmed within X minutes (or minimum fees) or the bet will be invalid and the bet refunded and enforce it.
Time of transaction: 2016-05-12 14:28:01
Confirmation: 2016-05-13 02:52:11
Match began at: 05/12/2016 21:30
If the transaction was confirmed after the match has ended, I would consider this a double-spend attack and Directbet has the right to confiscate the bet amount.
However, this could be unintentional, so Directbet can consider a partial/full refund of the bet amount.
Directbet shouldn't ask for personally identifying information and should add a note that the bet should be confirmed within X minutes (or minimum fees) or the bet will be invalid and the bet refunded and enforce it.
As mentioned, this could be unintentional and they see that they might of placed the bet too much so they try to not confirm the bet by sending the same amount again causing the double spend scenario?
I dont know it can go both ways though.
At this point if they are agreeing to send his btc, why dont they just do that. I feels theres no need the kyc requirement seems overbearing at this point the longer the thread continues.
If the transaction was confirmed after the match has ended, I would consider this a double-spend attack and Directbet has the right to confiscate the bet amount.
There is also the issue that blocks are currently full and many people do not understand how to include an appropriate fee attacked to their transaction (just look at how many people are complaining about problems with their transactions).
If directbet thought that the bet in question was going to be a double spend attempt if the bet lost then they should not have accepted the bet in the first place. Directbet has essentially freerolled the OPs bet by accepting it and subsequently claiming it was a double spend attempt.
I have previously left directbet a negative rating and encourage others to do the same in order to warn others about their shady behavior.
If the transaction was confirmed after the match has ended, I would consider this a double-spend attack and Directbet has the right to confiscate the bet amount.
That's the problem. You can't assume that someone has ill intentions and use that as an excuse to steal their money. What if I bet on a rugby game or horse race (two sports with short durations) and the block just takes a long time to be confirmed? Do they have the right to not pay me out because technically the bet was confirmed after the match ended, even though that was entirely out of my control? That's not right.
Listen, is it possible that the coins could have been double spent? Yes, it's possible. But the fact that Directbet HAS the coins proves that it wasn't double spent. You can't punish someone if they haven't broken the rules. If the rules are structured in such a way that it's easy to game the system, that's on the site to shore up and protect themselves. By leaving themselves open to potential vulnerabilities and punishing people who haven't taken advantage of those vulnerabilities, they are actually guilty of doing to customers what they are accusing the customers of doing to them.
...bet they won't upload their passports to imgur tho.
Let me know if this is incorrect.
Time of transaction: 2016-05-12 14:28:01
Confirmation: 2016-05-13 02:52:11
Match began at: 05/12/2016 21:30
If the transaction was confirmed after the match has ended, I would consider this a double-spend attack and Directbet has the right to confiscate the bet amount.
However, this could be unintentional, so Directbet can consider a partial/full refund of the bet amount.
Directbet shouldn't ask for personally identifying information and should add a note that the bet should be confirmed within X minutes (or minimum fees) or the bet will be invalid and the bet refunded and enforce it.
Time of transaction: 2016-05-12 14:28:01
Confirmation: 2016-05-13 02:52:11
Match began at: 05/12/2016 21:30
If the transaction was confirmed after the match has ended, I would consider this a double-spend attack and Directbet has the right to confiscate the bet amount.
However, this could be unintentional, so Directbet can consider a partial/full refund of the bet amount.
Directbet shouldn't ask for personally identifying information and should add a note that the bet should be confirmed within X minutes (or minimum fees) or the bet will be invalid and the bet refunded and enforce it.
Trying to find:
1. when the transaction was made
2. when the transaction was confirmed
3. when the match began and ended..
That is an absolutely incorrect statement.
The TOS of directbet.eu, although some may say unfair, does say that they have the right to confiscate bets when there is fraudulent activity, including double spends. I would read this to mean that they have the right to confiscate bets when a player makes a double spend attempt against them.
It doesn't matter what the TOS says here. What matters is what they actually do, and how the community assesses the behavior.
1. when the transaction was made
2. when the transaction was confirmed
3. when the match began and ended..
But id say about 98.55% of the time double spends to a gambling site is likely an attempt trying to defraud the site.
That is an absolutely incorrect statement.
@QS, You might know this already, but it's not just the profit from the winning bet we're talking about. They seized the initial wager as well.
Yes I am aware. The TOS of directbet.eu, although some may say unfair, does say that they have the right to confiscate bets when there is fraudulent activity, including double spends. I would read this to mean that they have the right to confiscate bets when a player makes a double spend attempt against them.
It doesn't matter what the TOS says here. What matters is what they actually do, and how the community assesses the behavior.
Directbet is NOT scam.
hungerstyle tried to FRAUD them.
hungerstyle tried to FRAUD them.
I would like to point out the very fact you asked him to upload his passport to imgur is reason enough for anyone not to trust you with their personal information. He would be fool to send anything but fake documents, but you knew that. You arent protecting your business, your only protecting your BTC38.
Stop spewing crap and pay the man his money.....Why should he send you his dox anyway? If I were him I wouldn't. You are an unlicensed book. You are anonymous, Why in God's name do you need his dox to return the funds? Stop shifting the goal post directbet.eu.
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