Topic: Warning: Directbet selective scam 38+ btc CAUTION - page 4. (Read 7848 times)

At this point, I agree with TwitchySeal, robinH, techgeek, and others - instead of asking (hungerstyle), tell (all reading the thread).

I realize that you may trap hungerstyle into making deceptive statements as you feel you already have, but you can see by the responses, even with those who seem to side with your take on the issue, that they feel it's gone far enough.

I believe to retain your credibility as an honest well received sportsbook, you need to present your facts (without revealing secret security measures/proprietary info that you feel you can't).
Perhaps you've received some info from others that's supposed to be confidential.

But you stated that "...hungerstyle is a hacker...", not "we suspect hungerstyle is a hacker".

You've stated that what you believe are his doublespend techniques are repeated time after time and therefore it's not an accidental doublespend.

Fine. State your facts. Demonstrate the above.
So far you can see that people want more proof that it wasn't an accident or that you're not misinterpreting what occured.

Perhaps he's gotten away with doublespends in the past at Directbet or you suspect that he has, or that you've stopped other doublespend attempts.
Perhaps you or others are looking for hungerstyle and want some specific info about him.

But I doubt you're going to get any more info from him and you can see that some public sentiment is going strongly against you at this point.

So it does appear that it's getting to the time to lay your cards on the table.
Or else accept the negativity that this case is engendering.

It hasn't been proven that person A intentionally tried to defraud DirectBet.  
Given the evidence, it's likely they did, but it has not been proven.

RHavers response disputes DirectBets judgement successfully: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14993739

DirectBet since proved that another doublespend was previously linked to the payout address and therefor considers RHavers statement void.  However, the previous doublespend evidence, like the rest of the evidence, is completely circumstantial.  
 
Edit: Others have also disputed DB claim (like me), im pointing out RHaver because I think his opinion is the most respected in general.

Person A has also stated he would be able to access the funds if they were sent to the original withdraw address.

DirectBet is claiming that they are capable of somehow stopping future double spend attempts on their anonymous website by obtaining the identity of one individual.  This seems irrational.  I believe the only way to avoid this situation is to eliminate the possibility of anyone being able to exploit the system.  Not just one.

DirectBet has claimed they have no intention of keeping the 36 bitcoin.  

DirectBet, do you believe you are entitled to the 36 bitcoin?

If this isn't resolved soon, I intend to bring a lot more attention to it.

So far what I`m reading are certain issues that are very clear despite the on-going debate.

1. Person A decided to use their own principal of a doublespend
2. Casino confirms the bet of the doublespend.
3. Person A opens a thread talks about bad support issues - creates noise - in chance they credit their initial deposit
4. Direct Bet is requesting a address confirmation (their personal security reasons to follow this address)

Am I missing something here?

But whats bugging me is the lack of transparency on the conversations taken place with the email needs to be presented on this thread so everyones on the same page.

21 questions directbet.eu. Keep playing your games. Let's keep going around in circles. If you have any more proof, post it. You clearly don't.You've being shown up.

directbet.eu, in one of your early emails to hungerstyle, You PROMISED to refund his wager back to him, If he replied saying he would not do it again and agreed to forfeit his winnings (your conditions).  SO WHY ARE YOU YET TO REFUND THE WAGER? hungerstyle met your conditions or? Why add more conditions? Is your word any good? Or are you liars?

Where you aware he is a "hacker" and "double spender" when u made him the offer? Did you promise to return the funds regardless? So what has changed since then? Why the change of heart? The only one STALLING here is you!

If I may ask, why do you keep calling him a hacker?  How so? You know what hacking is right? Or do you need me to define it for you? What evidence do you have of him hacking? Did he try breaching your servers? Maybe he tried stealing your coins or wallet passwords?

Or do you describe him as such without any evidence whatsoever, just to discredit him further? The only ones keeping coins not belonging to them here is you!

FYI,  I intend taking this matter outside this forum.
I'll start a thread on reddit,  have a few gambling blogs sites/websites/forums post about your lies and behaviour.  Let's see how smug you are then.

As you can see, we are not the ones stalling as hungerstyle claims.

hungerstyle, we are still waiting for your reply on this :

In one of the first e-mails that we sent you, as you can see in your screen capture, we asked you :

"In regards to the first bet  # 128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o, is it the first ever bet that you placed on our website ?"

Why did you delete your reply from the screen shot ?

Can you post here what you replied to us ?

This is a clear story of double spend. and some over smart people trying to highlighted the issue against directbet.eu . its very clear op or someone else trying to cheat the system. math never gone wrong,what ever happened in email chat I dnt care, he must not get paid a single penny. terms and rules are very clear and we all agree before placing any bets.

I bet he'll tell you whatever you want if you agree to give him his money.

Just post the emails if you think it proves something, are you really trying to act as if you respect his privacy after the "upload your passport to imgur" request?  Why are you playing these games a month later?  I don't get it.

hungerstyle, in one of the first e-mails that we sent you, as you can see in your screen capture, we asked you :

"In regards to the first bet  # 128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o, is it the first ever bet that you placed on our website ?"

Why did you delete your reply from the screen shot ?

Can you post here what you replied to us ?

Explain many time with date from email. I post screenshot later with all time and delay for all.



"XXX Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:25 PM
To: DirectBet <[email protected]>
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Directbet

I do not be more clear that this bet come from local btc exchange who
handle many player cash in cash out. Very common to make small risk of
price difference

Many people use exchange or local to send coin.

Why I do see concern like you say but fact is blockchain show no
double spend after nadal like you claim.

Really I see claim from Directbet side but one thing to shady void but
very moral different to not return.
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DirectBet<[email protected]>   Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:04 PM
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Hi XXX

You said "I make this transaction."

Which software did you use to make this transaction ?

Best Regards
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XXX   Thu, May 26, 2016 at 2:52 PM
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I make this transaction by giving my btc local exchange cash.
Confusion I do not understand . All player make transaction include
you account, exchange, local, etc.

I am told to take 20k action Nadal but only have 15k so take 15k
action. If page not show confirmed or show TXID there can be no trade
or cash lose.


People really not care to approve direcbet for big player.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.14947162

When morning happen I would help update if btc is make sent.

Thanks

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I already show them I make transaction. If not cash from viewing confirm bet (likeblockchain confirm to trade local) then there not make transaction.


Dont worry I post screenshot of all email to show time delay and ALL communication log. how make no email response unless poke from forum too.  Need a bit to take all screenshot, many answer same question four time just word different.


It very simple directbet not safe.

DirectBet.eu has contacted me regarding the negative rating that I left. After some discussions I have asked for specific information that may show that the OP did in fact attempt to defraud DirectBet (however it may not).

If DirectBet.eu is able to provide solid evidence that the OP was attempting to defraud them then I will remove my negative rating and issue a negative rating against the OP.

directbet.eu,  hungerstyle made it very clear from the beginning that he used a third party exchange to send the coins.  

From his posts and emails, It seems like this third party is some kind of local exchange. And are probably not available or are unwilling to get involved.

It could be that since they already got paid for the coins, they don't see this as their problem and don't want to get involved.

I'd liken this to sending you money via Western union. And you insisting you would refund me, but only if I can get western union to contact you, send my dox + their's, and sign some sort of agreement first. Do you see western union doing that?

There could also be a language problem. Possibly because they know little or no English. hungerstyle alluded to this when he said  them (exchange) talking to you would be similar to "having their teeth pulled".

Directbet -"At this point we want to discuss with the person who sent out this bet transfer and who owns the payout address"


Hungerstyle -

As an attempt to help get this resolved -

Regardless of what you told Directbet previously -


Are you the person who sent out this bet transfer? Yes or No?


Are  you the person who owns the payout address? Yes or No?

If you have no intentions of keeping them, is it a safe to assume we agree you are not entitled to them?



I understand there are methods that should not be public. But in this instance it seems more like a convenient excuse to keep the bitcoin without giving a reasonable explanation, you can't put stuff like this on your home page and then keep someones money because they dont want to reveal their identity:

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Demanding the identity of someone is just another tactic to justify keeping the funds.

You should of returned the funds immediately after hunger responded and said "i agree"



But instead of giving the money back, you stalled for a day or two, then asked for name address and phone number.

Then a couple days later you added more terms: no making DirectBet look bad in the forums and he had to upload his passport to imgur!!??
The very fact you suggested imgur is incredibly irresponsible.

 
Don't you see how this looks on the outside?

The funds should of been returned within 24 hours.  If you had no desire to keep the coins, you wouldn't still have them a month later.

It's possible that Hungerstyles is guilty of attempting to exploit DirectBet, but DirectBet is guilty of being exploitable.

Making someone sign an agreement or upload images of a passport will not prevent that person (or anyone else)from doing it again anonymously.  The only thing it will accomplish is provide an  invalid excuse for not refunding the money.

I assure you, if you end up keeping the funds you will never have the same reputation you did a last month.

That's not what you told us via e-mail.

We asked : "So you physically met someone during the Tennis match, gave him $15K in cash, and he made the BTC transfer to your bet ?"

You replied : "Correct."

We asked : "Does the payout address belongs to the person who sent the initial bet transfer ?"

You replied : "Correct."

We asked : "We would like to speak with the person who actually sent this bet transfer."

You replied : "3rd party not available."

Can you confirm the quotes above are from the e-mails that we exchanged ?

Or should I post screen captures ?

TwitchySeal, I appreciate your comments and feedback but we can not discuss our security practices here, I hope you can understand.

I am person who make transfer. When directbet show confirmed i lose my cash for btc. If directbet not say confirm then i would not be pay which not make transaction.

They just run in circle with no email response in 10 day.

hungerstyle -

Whether Directbet is right or wrong in asking this, do you agree with their statement:

"At this point we want to discuss with the person who sent out this bet transfer and who owns the payout address, but hungerstyle keeps saying that "he is not available"."

If it is accurate, when will that person be available?

A discussion with one person will not eliminate future double spend exploit attempts.  Especially considering you market yourself as an "Anonymous, no questions asked sportsbook"

So what if you get dox on him.  Are you going to make them public the next time an anonymous user tries the same thing?  How could you prove it was the same person?  You can't.  Requesting dox from an anonymous person is meaningless.  They are just images, nothing more.

The only way to protect yourself from this is to make it so that nobody can exploit you even if they tried.
I can think of two possible solutions:

1) Require at least 1 confirmation before allowing a player to place a bet.

2) Require coins to be sent from an address that has not been previously used and will not be used until the bet is complete.  (this may not solve the issue, I'm not sure - just an idea)

As far as hungerstyle, you're being unreasonable and looking for any way to justify keeping the coin for yourself.
There was no mention of dox when you said you would return the coin almost a month ago:


He wrote back, you didn't send.

We said from the very beginning that we have no interest in keeping the coins. We are willing to return the coins, but at the same time we need to protect our business and prevent them from attempting to defraud us again.

At this point we want to discuss with the person who sent out this bet transfer and who owns the payout address, but hungerstyle keeps saying that "he is not available".

I have email many times with 0 response in 10 + day.

Any say they make is just fake.