Topic: Warning: Directbet selective scam 38+ btc CAUTION - page 3. (Read 7844 times)

directbet thank you very much for your reply and your painstaking effort at educating the community. Personally I never knew these clauses existed @ these books. And I've gambled on a few of them. Maybe some good could come out of this after all.The public needs to know about these clauses, then it would be their choice to bet or not if they don't agree with them. But a bettor must know that once they bet, they are bound by these T&C's even if they consider them unfair.

Could another member start a thread about these clauses in the gambling section? I might take it upon myself to in the future if no one does.

@ hungerstyle, the ball is in your court now. DirectBet has stated clearly that they are willing to refund you. This is their own way of reaching a compromise, and I urge you to meet them halfway.

Yes it is uncomfortable sending in pics and ID'S, and under normal circumstances I wouldn't advice anyone to send in their dox. But these are not normal circumstances. Obviously directbet cannot prove conclusively that it was a double spend attempt. But you also can't prove that it wasn't. Their terms clearly states that all they need to confisticate your btc is to "believe" there was an attempt to defraud them. And this could be the case here. When you bet with them you were bound by their T&C's.

So please go ahead and complete their KYC (know your customer) procedure and put an end to this, to get your refund.

I am not sure what it entails, but my guess is that you need to send them a government issued ID, verify your address and maybe a phone number. After you've completed it, directbet will send you an agreement to sign.Then issue you a refund. If there is anything you don't understand,  pls ask here. I am sure someone would be kind enough to help.

@ directbet, for the sake of transparency,  kindly list what info's and details hungerstyle should send you as kyc, and where he should send them to. Thank you.

We believe that the evidence provided is sufficient to suggest that a double spend was attempted.

When you send out a transaction with extremely low fees and a few hours later double spend it with extremely high fees, and you then repeat on the same pattern over and over again, that can not possibly be wallet misconfiguration or user error or fee saving. That's intentional fraud.

That being said, even if you disagree with the above, please note that Bitcoin Sportsbooks realize that due to the anonymous nature of Bitcoin, it may not always be possible to show to the public bullet proof evidence of fraud attempt.

For this reason, there is a standard universal rule among Bitcoin Sportsbooks that entitles them to confiscate coins when they believe a fraud is involved. Notice that we say "believe", not "prove".

All top Bitcoin Sportsbooks have the same rule, and we all confiscate coins when fraudulent activity is involved.

Hackers will always find ways to exploit and unfortunately that's the only effective measure we have to combat them.

Here is the rule of NitrogenSports :


As we informed you from the very beginning, in order to proceed you first need to pass a standard KYC procedure to authenticate the contact information that you provided for the agreement and we will then prepare the agreement for you to sign.

The agreement will say that you understand what you did is against our terms and conditions and that we may confiscate your coins if you attempt to do it again. It will also say that after getting your bet back you will not have any further claims against DirectBet.

It's really the minimum we have to do given the circumstances. I can assure you here in public that your contact information will remain confidential.

Even though we can confiscate your bet per our terms and conditions, we are willing to refund it as a goodwill gesture and in an effort to resolve this matter but unfortunately so far you have not cooperated.

directbet you are saying one thing but acting in a different manner. Op says you are not replying to his emails. Well not since the the 30th of may anyway. You have every right to protect your business, but the best way forward would be to fix the flaw on your platform that makes it possible to double spend. Otherwise this could happen again. I don't see how signing an agreement with the Op and obtaining his dox would stop this from occurring again.

However, Op says you are yet to send him an agreement to sign. Did you or not? Are you still refunding him? You have stated clearly here and privately to the Op that you will refund him, if he meets your terms.

Could you please outline clearly here on this thread  what these conditions are? If you require an ID, what type etc. Then the ball would firmly be in the Op's court. And if he fails to comply, it would be his loss. But asking for a third party exchange to get involved before proceeding is unrealistic, especially since you've indicated you don't believe they exist. Nip this in the bud. All the best.

Exactly

Did on what day directbet send agreement? Never.

Directbet just give run around when I lose cash and no recourse.


Directbet has not respond to email since May 30.

Directbet, Will you return coin like you say you will since your email not responding?

Well, according to DirectBet OP was already offered to receive his coins back by signing a formal agreement that he won't attempt to double spend. The blame is on him if he can't comply with such a simple request to receive his money back. DirectBet is a business after all, they can't show that attempting double spends with their service comes with zero risk.

Isnt it just easier to avoid this headache and return the btc to the rightful owner.

Regardless of the doublespend, because it seems like it was a accidental thing.

I dont see theres a further point in a all this of what direcbet gets out of all this.. then again I dont gamble so I dont see too many of these double spend situations.

Laughable really from directbet.eu. You have proved zilch!  Can you say for sure he placed the "first bet" ? No. It could have been placed by anyone. If this is your so called evidence,  then I am sorry,  you have failed.

Have you proved a double spend beyond all doubt ? No. And this is the crux of the matter. Your double spend argument has been debunked and since you cannot prove it; you are desperately trying to obfuscate people rather than enlighten them. I hope the folks here are smarter than you give them credit for. Obviously you are trying your best to keep the coins. That is akin to stealing them.

You are wrong.The coins  should be refunded. It is unethical and the bookie already made clear his desire to return the money. All the accusations and counter - accusations is helping nobody.

@ Op Id suggest you co - operate with directbet to retrieve your wager. Sign whatever document and get it over with. It may be uncomfortable,  but try.

@ directbet, you might have a case, but there is no smoking gun. I hope your offer to refund the Op is genuine, and you are not giving him the runaround.  It's beginning to look that way. I'll delete the negative trust I left you, trusting you to do the right thing.

Unfortunately for you, until you fix this loophole,  unscrupulous players will take shots at you. Especially now that they know how. Find a solution.

hungerstyle - "False".

hungerstyle - Please be specific - What is "false" in the information presented above by Directbet?
Please present any evidence you have to prove your claim.

Those questions do not have anything to do with anything. The questions that directbet is asking are offtopic and are attempting to distract from the issue in hand.

Is there evidence that a valid bet was made, and received by directbet? yes
Was this a winning bet? yes
Has directbet paid out this bet? no
Has any evidence been presented that would suggest that there was a double spend attempt against directbet? no

The questions regarding if the bet in question were the first ever made by the OP via directbet or if the OP purchased bitcoin for cash prior to placing the bets have absolutely nothing to do with if the bets should be paid out or not.

I don't think Directbet needs to send you any btc as you have not answered the previous questions about why you have deleted a few screen shots/emails.Using a third party service as an excuse just work both ways,if you're sure they have attempted an double spend,why don't you try asking them your refunds ? In that case,directbet doesn't even know who you're since they aren't really dealing with you but the exchange.I have never heard before an exchange "double spending" unless they're attempting to be goxxed.Very shady you bought this story in the later part of the argument.

@DirectBet: I have been betting here for a year or more and I honestly think you guys are the best SportsBook around and it has already been proven by the bitcointalk community itself.You shouldn't be wasting anymore time on this accusation as it will clearly make sense to anyone with brains that double spend was attempted.Your reputation won't be tarnished, either way not many show interest in the thread.

False. You just fail to see to keep coin why everyone agree to avoid directbet.

When will you make send btc back?

Thanks for trying to help Gogo ppp.

hungerstyle was here but he chose not to reply. He realized we caught him lying to you all.

To better understand how it unfolded, lets get back to the very beginning.

If you look at the screen capture that hungerstyle posted, you will notice that in the second e-mail we asked him the following question :

"In regards to the first bet # 128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o, is it the first ever bet that you placed on our website ?"

His reply was "Yes", but he deliberately deleted it from the screen capture.

Why did he delete it ? because he lied and I am going to show you a proof below.

We later asked : "So you physically met someone during the Tennis match, gave him $15K in cash, and he made the BTC transfer to your bet ?"

He replied : "Correct."

This was also a lie. Check out this bet, which hungerstyle placed right before the bet in dispute :

https://directbet.eu/BetStatus.cshtml?BetID=182zX2qwkZupeqa992EqwiahmVfg27ScUP

As you can see he first funded it with 0.007613 BTC dust just to make sure it gets through our system, then he funded it with the real bet of 31.92916466 BTC.

The big 31.92916466 BTC transfer was sent with a very low fee of 0.000014 BTC / KB, just like the bet in dispute, so that he could double spend it in case it loses, while the small dust transfer was sent with a high fee of 0.00026 BTC / KB.

However, the bet was won and so he didn't double spend it, and the bet was eventually paid out automatically.

If you follow the payout in the blockchain you will see that the same coins paid were used to fund the 36.5 BTC bet in dispute :

https://blockchain.info/tx/b5f3372906eef662ca264327255ec28028a3003ffd13b16df2083e0350002d1b

(The 34.8 BTC winnings were sent to the address # 1GyJHLY5aygkQZZjfGJXNA8UkubvGy7V57 and from there they were moved to the addresses 16MyjFgtuGAhR3Wn5TXFsB1R9JmDgcb1Bz and 1Lwpt1Kh2ex9eEdSvXSwwmZZtRYT3vg7kw which were used to fund the 36.5 BTC bet in dispute directly.)

So as you can see, he lied as this was not his first ever bet on DirectBet as he said, and he tried to hide it by deleting the e-mail from the screen capture.

As a side note, notice that for the "test" bet of 0.007613 BTC he included high fees of 0.00026 BTC / KB while for the big 32 BTC bet he included invalid fees of 0.000014 BTC / KB. Why will you pay 19 times more fees for a tiny transfer of 0.007613 BTC than for a big transfer of 32 BTC ?

Also, as you can see in his posts he claimed that he physically met a local exchange during the Tennis match, gave him $15,000 in cash in exchange for the 36.5 BTC that were transferred to the bet in dispute.

The above evidence shows that this was also a lie. The winnings from his previous 32 BTC bet were sent directly to fund his 36 BTC bet as is evident in the blockchain.

This to show you that there isn't really any "local exchange" involved and no conversion was done from USD to place this bet. He simply used his past winnings to fund this bet !

"local exchange" is just a cover story that he made to prevent us from asking real questions about the double spend attempt.

"directbet claims" , so it is up to directbet.eu to prove these claims,  not hungerstyle!

What has these claims got to do with confisticating the 38.5 btc anyway? When will directbet.eu refund the btc? That should be the question.

directbet.eu keeps making accusations without solid proof.

"hungerstyle double spent" , proof inconclusive and debunked. Their evidence shows it may be a double spend.

"hungerstyle is an hacker" .... more claims; no proof.

All we have here are directbet.eu's words, and they've been shown to be dishonest.

Wouldn't it be easier if directbet.eu posts whatever they claim hungerstyle omitted from the emails?  I mean they are the ones alleging some portions are missing, therefore the burden of proof is theirs.

As far as I know, hungerstyle has posted his own version of events. If directbet.eu disputes it, they should prove otherwise. The only ones playing games here is directbet.eu. Surely you can see that?

Trying to trap hungerstyle into making incriminating statements is just stupid. Back up your allegations directbet.eu,  then give him a chance to dispute it, If he can.

directbet.eu also claims his English his very good,  and he threatened their website. They are yet to provide a single shred of evidence to support these allegations.

Why should hungerstyle do their job for them? Assuming he omitted evidence that would incriminate himself, should he be the one that exposes it? Would you, If you were in his shoes?

Don't let directbet.eu fool you, they have nothing more to add, otherwise they would have posted it.

In an attempt to move this along:


"We do have additional evidence, and we will post it here after hungerstyle post his version as he told us via e-mail."

Hungerstyle - Directbet claims that you omitted portions of your original email to them.
Can you post the full version?
[Directbet - Do I have this correct? Specifically, you are asking for hungerstyle to post his original and complete version of events as he first emailed them to you? If not, what specifically are you asking for?]


After that, I'll ask Directbet to post their additional evidence.


Then hopefully there can be a resolution.

"We do have additional evidence, and we will post it here after hungerstyle post his version as he told us via e-mail. This is required so that he won't keep changing versions."

This seems reasonable.

As Directbet mentions, they have a solid reputation for 2.5 years.
If they want to get hungerstyle's version of events nailed down, I'd suggest to give them some more time.



I feel that their goal is not to steal bitcoins.
[For one thing, someone with this intention does not start a sportsbook that (until recently) does not take deposits].



"hungerstyle knows to speak English very well when he wants to. His English was very fluent when he threatened to attack our website."

Part of the difficulty with understanding what's going on is hungerstyle's seeming unfamiliarity with English so that it's difficult for me and I assume others to understand what he's posting.
If the above quote is true, I see it as very damning evidence that hungerstyle is playing games, not vice versa.

Conmen. Fraudsters. Scammers.

Directbet are selective scammers. Directbet are fraudsters. Directbet are thieves.

Potential clients should avoid them. Googling them should prevent further victims from losing money.

These emails were posted weeks ago.

You're desperately trying to "trick" this guy into incriminating himself.

It's painfully obvious and childish.

You've gone from addressing each point made by anyone, I respected that, to ignoring anyone who questions your actions; hoping to come up with some shred of evidence that will somehow prove what you haven't been able to over the past month.

Pay the man his money and fix your exploitable sports book.

Please note that hungerstyle deliberately deleted certain e-mails and excerpts from the screen capture that he posted. He did it on purpose to make it appear as if he is the victim here.

We worked very hard during the past 2.5 years to build a solid reputation here and were very surprised to see that some members here attacked us without even trying to verify if hungerstyle, an hacker hiding behind a newbie account that was opened solely for this case, is telling the truth.

We posted evidence on this fraud attempt in the official response on post # 7.

We do have additional evidence, and we will post it here after hungerstyle post his version as he told us via e-mail. This is required so that he won't keep changing versions.

hungerstyle knows to speak English very well when he wants to. His English was very fluent when he threatened to attack our website.