Topic: WAVES - Complete Blockchain ecosystem for a token economy - page 123. (Read 131367 times)

On the one hand this is true. I like the announcements and all the effort put in, I also like all the conferences, events etc. However, on the other hand I fail to see what impact it has on the Waves ecosystem. I really wonder how this can be measured - we can call it ROI. How is the return measured for all of this effort to determine if it is worth it and if the right things are done. And no, market price is not the measurement as all alts are going down irrespective of what dev teams do and this includes Waves.

I want to inform that Alex from WavesFullNode has return my waves after I did a mistake and instead of leasing I send my waves to his pool address. Such a great guy as he was not obligated to send back anything especially when it was my mistake! Now I can gather in peace another waves node at this low prices in both satoshi and $ as I doubt we will see waves under 10k satoshi this year or next year.

Well, happy as one can be regarding i sold 75% of my waves 6 month ago....
I tried to connect today and the app ask to connect manually to the website to download an upgrade.
Wow,  auto update feature is not implemented. What a disaster

Hello kaconk! VST is a core token of Waves Enterprise blockchain. There is no change. Concerning recent events, in other words, we have increased the number of Waves Enterprise based projects.

Best regards, Waves Community Manager

Waves is waves, and vostok now is waves enterprise? Just rebrand or what? No more change? Little confused with that.

Hello. All the projects started by the Vostok will be released on the Waves Enterprise platform. Vostok brand will not be used for projects using blockchain technology. More information about this can be found in our article (https://medium.com/@wavesenterprise/global-chain-to-introduce-blockchain-in-logistics-efc872fed0ac)

Bets wishes,
Waves Community manager.

What happened with their project "Vostok"? As I understand someone bought this project or this was just canceled? And when VST tokens will start trading (if they srtart)?

Waves is not dead , just because the price has other plans when other altcoin rise , doesn't mean that the project has no value. Personally I want waves to stay at this price a little longer in order for me to secure another node but I've just made a mistake and instead of leasing I simply send them to joey and I hope we will send them back to me  . Can't believe I've made such a mistake but eh its late and I need some sleep I guess. I will keep the community updated if he send them back to me after my mistake.

Is it the tokens from the waves that made this project right because investors made the prices continue to bleed and I still hope this project is better and still believes also because the team is still providing information about what they are doing

hopefully this come true, my 30% portofolio are in waves. i already hold since 6 month ago and my investment value are decreased. i will still hold till i get profit. yeah, i still believe in this project. for now, my waves in stake/leased. i will sell in the best price.

There is probably someone shorting waves since $2.7 with millions borrowed coins

Vostok rallied twice this year by 500%, Efyt several hundred percent, tidex x10, btc 400%. Everything on that platform except the most valuable asset, Waves itself, has rallied.

Because the price has been this shorted for so long, most users will sell as soon as it goes to $5 but it will go up vastly more after that.

This is exactly how peple are left behind in parabolic moves, do not sell waves, it will be worth hundreds of dollars next year and this period of shorting it s great test on everyone and I personally greatly dislike shorting of something that has intrinsic value. Go and short Bitcoin instead, there is real air bubble there.

Bitcoin added $20 billion in market cap in a few hours yesterday, and waves cannot even add $7 million or 10%.

When it reverses, no one will have time to enter position, must do it already now.

Exit strategy must also be planned before, because it is too difficult to plan in the middle of crazy rally.

Hello, no, the team and Sasha do not consider Waves dead, but looking forward to developing it and have great plans for scale. Please stay tuned for our updates.

Bets wishes,
Waves Community manager.

does sasha consider waves to be dead? did the move to inflation kill it forever?  why is waves dropping all day every day for months? should we leave waves and go somewhere that hasnt foresaken its people?

I really don't get what waves is trying to achieve anymore besides dApps which is great for the DEX. They recently dropped of Vostok after they told us investors that this will be the next big step for Waves project so why dropping it ? Also miner rewards is closing off after some of us have leasing on mrt for over 1 year. Gateway is having almost daily problems and yet you don't want to permanently fix this issue ...don't get me wrong I love waves , its my main investment but what are the marketing departments doing ?

1. Global indices will create native platforms and migrate stocks to blockchain, this means that top 1% of wealth will remain centralized and not benefit decentralized crypto space
2. BTC was not designed like an index platform, it is a stand alone with XCP built separately, and it is painfully slow because of BTC txs limitation
3. Lightning network is centralized, banks have hedged top 5 but now it seems as global indexes will create native platforms anyway, elite is playing both fields btc is/was a hedge in case of power loss
4. Energy waste of BTC, ten years later on and it is a negative key point with this old invention
5. Index coins can share 10% of 20 trillion economy by market capture in privatized decentralized space. Anticipate 10 or so index platforms like stellar, waves, nexus that can process high velocity txs and scale adequately to match centralized visa space. This is around quarter trillion per brand/coin, BTC is not included because no one can issue tokens on its chain except through XCP and it is literally decades behind in tech and cannot possibly compete with dedicated platforms.
6. Be careful when following BTC down and do not fool yourself into presuming $5k to be "cheap" because there is no guarantee at all that BTC will ever again go above a few hundred dollars. Its market cap is x10 from top 5 and I consider top 5 overvalued exclusive of BTC. ETH cannot scale and sharding sounds like an esoteric super high tech plan but in truth there are thousands of Proof of stake coins already, so ETH is way behind the game in that field. Fair value below 1 billion.
7. There may be a flip event in 2020, paid for by top 5 and it's $200bn (90% of crypto space) bubble pool. Financing the future by internal capital reallocation and onramping of small business that doesn't have a place on NASDAQ and global indices. Crypto merchant payment gateways and partnerships. Atomic swaps and auto exchangers, no need btc.
8. Growth can still be parabolic because Market cap excluding top 5 is $20 bn and expected capture is up to $2tn within 3 years. Pick the winner and it's some x10 000 in there.

Cryptos like Waves (Russian controlled) ,Stellar (Western contribution) and Nexus (still early stage) can capture 10%/2 trillion of the retail economy within 3 years, it's $250bn per brand if ten brands share equal distribution.

After merchant onramping and digitization of money there will be more sophisticated computing on blockchain when entering AGI phase. Programmable currency is the infrastructure and enabler of K1+ civilization/Singularity/world brain. When computing projections by Kurzweil and Carl Sagan are this easily integrated with economic output, the contrast between 2020 and 2040 is on a factor of hundreds comparable in effect to pre and post industrialization. This technological infrastructure combined with autonomous machines can increase global GDP from $100 trillion to tens or hundreds of quadrillion in a few years time span which is a growth rate not witnessed before in history of humanity. The most likely candidates to launch AGI software is IBM, Darpa, Boston Dynamics, Google, Ivy League universities, so for an investor it is not something that will erupt from nowhere and can be invested into in the present in some obscure crypto and expect parabolic returns. Crypto will mature as a retail and commerce technology for the next ten years, global market cap may increase to a few trillion but there is no indication that decentralized space have the intellectual capacity to bridge AGI powered blockchain where real disruption awaits. Because this is on a level similar to Manhattan project in 1940s.

Hyperbitcoinization charts are tracking parabolic economic growth like a shadow in the present because the pattern is visible and is wrongly attributed to a rise of Bitcoin to $1 million or even more. For an investor to capture value it requires early action and holistic data analysis which in this case was gathered from silicon valley futurism and integrated with parabolic crypto patterns. It is then a case of identifying where disruption will stem from: who, why, how, what, when.

VISA processed 32 billion transactions per quarter this is 4000 per second, its market cap is $400 billion on P/E 40.

If 10 crypto index platforms capture 10% of visa capacity in the next 3 years this is 400 tx/s and 40 tx/s for waves or 3.5 million daily txs. Market cap equivalent is $4 billion.

NASDAQ daily volume is $100 billion, it's $1 billion for waves on same capture rate of 10% divided on 10 crypto index platforms. NASDAQ daily txs is 12 million and that's 120k for Waves.

If every transaction on waves cost 80 cents the calculation is like this:

$100k profit per day
$3 million per month
$36 million yearly times 40 P/E

Market cap: $1.4 bilion/$14 per coin.

Additional valuation factors:

1. There aren't 10 crypto index platforms in existence, and Waves is already second in rank below stellar which is valued at $7 billion.
2. Waves market capture can be higher than 10% perhaps closer to 25% global
3. the 10% capture rate of global commerce is conservative, it can be 25%
4. Trading fees on waves is still insignificant, inorder to grow market cap from profit to stakers and company, fees must be increased to 80 cents per exchange trade, this will force higher volume per tx

Optimistic recalculation:

25% of VISA txs is 1000 per second (max capacity of waves)
25% market share of this 1000 is 250 per second on waves platform
With similar fee structure as VISA this is $25 billion market cap, Waves should consider crypto credit and loans with smart contract escrow service

25% NASDAQ capture is $25 billion daily volume and 1/4th for Waves $6 billion/750k daily txs ($8000 volume per transaction).

On VISA volume it is $1.2 billion per hour $30 billion daily with 900 000 transactions per hour it's $1300 per tx.

If trading fee is increased to 80 cents per tx the 6 waves per block inflation can be backed by actual profit and not just air like it is now...

VISA market cap is 1/20 of yearly volume 5%
Waves market cap on 10/10 merchant capture is $5.5bn ($55 per coin x75 multiplier from $0.72 valuation)
25/25 is $35bn ($350 per coin x500 multi)

There is no technical barrier to prevent this capture all that is needed is:

1. Merchant onramping by private invitationals and explaining that this is like decentralized stock trading platform with branded stocks for small business
2. Leverage and crypto lending integration using smart contract escrow without moving funds from wallet
3. Increasing transaction fee to 80 cents which is competitive rate compared to stock platforms and leverage firms
4. Partner with merchants and crypto payment gateways using phone app integration (no plastic cards needed)

Market cap at full maturity (5-10 years) is $250 billion ($2500 per coin) or 25% of total global commerce ($20trn) divided by 20. This is P/E 10 on $25bn annual profit (85m daily txs x$0.8 ). It is also max capacity of waves 1000tx/s.

Citation begins:
These people will never understand crypto. BTC feeds all the other cryptos, disconnecting from that would kill 99% of other cryptos.You can't eat  BTC's gains and not take it's losses.
citation ends.

i dont'agree.
emancipation is not disconnection.

but who has said that different markets should be interconnected all the time being ?
that they emit synchronously crying and sobbing ?

why apple and general motors share prices do not vary strictly in parallel ?

this a million times, as a user of the DEX
These people will never understand crypto. BTC feeds all the other cryptos, disconnecting from that would kill 99% of other cryptos.You can't eat  BTC's gains and not take it's losses.

see the interesting discussion of "evolving concepts":

https://twitter.com/sasha35625/status/1187404704260771845