Topic: We can not discuss if 'ChipMixer is a honeypot or not' outside their own thread? - page 2. (Read 1878 times)

When OgNasty and Timelord2067 talk about DT1, you know there's going to be thread derailing.

Starting to get the impression this topic is becoming less about ChipMixer itself and more about opportunists attempting to discredit DT1 users who were part of the ChipMixer sig campaign.

I literally did call it a honeypot.

I said multiple times it was a money laundering operation.

Starting to get the impression this topic is becoming less about ChipMixer itself and more about opportunists attempting to discredit DT1 users who were part of the ChipMixer sig campaign.

Starting to get the impression this topic is becoming less about ChipMixer itself and more about opportunists attempting to discredit DT1 users who were part of the ChipMixer sig campaign.  Anything to try and score a cheap point. 

There is still no evidence that Chipmixer was a honeypot.  And even if it did turn out to be (and I'm fairly confident that's not the case), it doesn't suddenly redeem anyone who has been distrusted or tagged by a campaign member.

ITT:  Disreputable people clutching at straws.

I seem to recall Thule and or TOAA etc start threads and were then hammered by the DT 1 Trolls too.

(I may have said something once or twice, but it's been quite a while and I may be mistaken)

I seem to recall Thule and or TOAA etc start threads and were then hammered by the DT 1 Trolls too.

(I may have said something once or twice, but it's been quite a while and I may be mistaken)

You talk a lot about scams, but I see no action. Why didn't you accuse the entire business for scam when it was alive? We have a board for this very reason. Maybe your arguments don't hold water.

It's when you take money to try and get other people to be foolish is where my issue is.

Damn, you've straight up been pulling every merchant you deal with into this ChipMixer mess investigation so you can hide that the funds came from your ChipMixer advertising?  Man, that's coldhearted as hell... Talk about passing the buck...

If you want to talk users into entering honeypots to help them scam others here so you can get a quick buck, that's on you.

Not to mention the Terrabytes of user data that was taken into custody along with the  ?$44M? USD in Bitcoins exchanged.

... Honeypot ...

Mind your own business. To whom I trust my money and my privacy is none of yours. If I'm convinced a third party can grant me privacy, who are you to question the rightness of this decision?

Yep. To every merchant I've transacted with, I've hidden the fact that my coins come from a signature campaign. I could not have hidden this information better.

What you think is irrelevant.

"Almost like a honeypot" is pure speculation; it's utter opinion. And your opinion is, again, irrelevant. What's relevant is only facts.

The idea that a third party will protect your privacy is foolish.

You really think your ChipMixer transactions gave you privacy?

I think the government now likely has records exposing every person who ever used it.

Almost like it was used as a honeypot and those seeking privacy from a 3rd party mixing service were taken advantage of by false advertising claims pushed by greedy users who blindly trusted a 3rd party would keep their privacy safe with a service that was very clearly illegal and going to be shut down

No. I said money laundering was bad and privacy was good. I’m not in denial about anything. This whole idea that you have to support money laundering in order to support privacy is nonsense. The idea that a third party will protect your privacy is foolish. This has now been clearly demonstrated by ChipMixer. The people in denial are the ones defending an illegal money laundering service… You really think your ChipMixer transactions gave you privacy? I think the government now likely has records exposing every person who ever used it. Almost like it was used as a honeypot and those seeking privacy from a 3rd party mixing service were taken advantage of by false advertising claims pushed by greedy users who blindly trusted a 3rd party would keep their privacy safe with a service that was very clearly illegal and going to be shut down. It isn’t like I didn’t say all this beforehand and am now proven to be right…

monero is a red flag that gets users WATCHED CLOSELY
lightning is a red flag that gets users WATCHED CLOSELY

So... you're simply in denial that built-in-privacy at protocol level means that such a protocol can be used to illegally launder money?  

monero is a red flag that gets users WATCHED CLOSELY
lightning is a red flag that gets users WATCHED CLOSELY
mixers/hoppers are a red flag that gets users WATCHED CLOSELY

mixers/hoppers/privacy tools do not hide people, it gets them spotted and monitored more closely

Monero and mixed coins (such as those using Schnorr) are engaged in the activity of money transfers and money handling. Such activity, by nature, makes them an MSB. Any subsystem is required to comply with the BSA obligations that apply to money transmitters. Every node and every software wallet engaged in mixing would need to fulfil the obligations that apply to a money transmitter. They involve complying with the anti-money laundering (AML) program, maintaining records, and issuing against the reporting requirements as defined in their jurisdiction. Compliance would include filing SARs (Suspicious Activity Reports) and CTRs (currency transaction reports). Peer-to-peer exchange is covered under the anti-money laundering (AML) rules. Avoiding the requirements of the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA) in the US is not an option.

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Some (foolish) people like to say that anonymous systems create more freedom and that they will bring down government. They are categorically wrong on all counts. Anonymous systems are the way to bring in more government control.

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As soon as a system is deemed to facilitate money laundering, it no longer matters that you’re running a distributed system. In adding anonymity controls, many coins will find that such facilitation of terrorist funding will lead to their complete removal. One day, a court order will appear, and on the same day, any exchange transacting in Monero or using other similar systems will either have to stop immediately or be aiding the facilitation of a money-laundering system.

Monero, the Lightning Network, Zcash, and all other account-based funding systems and anonymous crypto systems are required, by law, to keep records and logs of the people involved in the use.

What people do not seem to realise is that when a court order stops such systems, it stops them dead. On the day a case of money-laundering facilitation starts that is connected to Monero, all Monero globally stops trading. Any miner or node that attempts to bypass regulation will be instantly criminally liable. The maximum penalty is 20 years for each offence, and every single block could be prosecuted as a separate offence.

monero is a red flag that gets users WATCHED CLOSELY
lightning is a red flag that gets users WATCHED CLOSELY
mixers/hoppers are a red flag that gets users WATCHED CLOSELY