We can not discuss if 'ChipMixer is a honeypot or not' outside their own thread? - page 5.

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Quote from: suchmoon on December 12, 2022, 09:09:46 AM

As if asking Og directly would yield an unbiased answer.

He would be able to give a better answer of the question because it's about him. If I find something not usual about you then I will ask you without asking it to CH or someone else who does not go well along with you. Asking an opponent does not really give the accurate answer. Whatever you will reply with Og will not like, on the other hand when Og will say something about it you will give the same attitude. Result will make the situation even worse.

Quote from: suchmoon on December 12, 2022, 09:09:46 AM

Not really, or not only that. Vod was never in the CM campaign. Og had issues with some CM signature users (myself included) from way before the conflict with Vod. IIRC he had a relatively recent run-in with LoyceV for reasons unrelated to the conflict with Vod. Et cetera.

I was meaning the whole Og not only about his conflicts with CM or CM campaigners

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Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on December 12, 2022, 08:17:31 AM

OgNasty is on the thread and you could directly ask him about it. Why are you asking it to someone else who you know have conflict of interest with him.

As if asking Og directly would yield an unbiased answer.

Quote from: BitcoinGirl.Club on December 12, 2022, 08:17:31 AM

From my observation all started from VOD vs OgNasty conflict. VOD is resting and OgNasty changed since then.

Not really, or not only that. Vod was never in the CM campaign. Og had issues with some CM signature users (myself included) from way before the conflict with Vod. IIRC he had a relatively recent run-in with LoyceV for reasons unrelated to the conflict with Vod. Et cetera.

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Quote from: Lucius on December 12, 2022, 05:43:25 AM

I know that you are very sensitive to when threads are moved and that because of one such case you left the forum for a while - but my reaction to the OP thread in the Bitcoin discussion was not motivated by defending CM, but exclusively by moving the thread to the appropriate board.

If you notice in my previous post I agreed that the thread shouldn't be kept in Bitcoin Discussion necessarily. And you've now dropped the part about how "a discussion on the same topic already existed" which is a lame rationale for locking the thread as it goes against any precedent of moderation on the forum.

Quote from: Lucius on December 12, 2022, 05:43:25 AM

It's a bit sad for me when I see old members who used to be pro-Bitcoin attacking everything that has to do with Bitcoin

This is a pretty clumsy reach. If I was "attacking everything that has to do with Bitcoin" on the forum, I'd never be finished posting. And for the record I've always been pro-bitcoin and I still am.

Quote from: Lucius on December 12, 2022, 05:43:25 AM

and at the same time promoting things that are at least dubious and questionable.

Not sure what you're talking about exactly, and not that it matters to this discussion whatsoever, but its not like you don't have any experience with that Roll Eyes

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Quote from: Poker Player on December 11, 2022, 11:52:47 PM

I don't know what OgNasty's obsession about CM is. Did he appy for the sig campaign and got rejected?

OgNasty is on the thread and you could directly ask him about it. Why are you asking it to someone else who you know have conflict of interest with him. You are also using a loud voice that you have some personal problem with him.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 11, 2022, 03:25:31 PM

I prefer to be on the right side of history (like always) which is not usually the popular position around here.

You have been on the wrong side of history for a long time, you just haven't realized it yet.

From my observation all started from VOD vs OgNasty conflict. VOD is resting and OgNasty changed since then.

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Quote from: Poker Player on December 11, 2022, 11:52:47 PM

I don't know what OgNasty's obsession about CM is. Did he appy for the sig campaign and got rejected?

He has a grudge against some people in the campaign and seems to be trying these chickenshit indirect attacks to discredit them.

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Quote from: nutildah on December 11, 2022, 10:58:48 PM

To those on the outside looking in its pretty obvious that's what you're doing.

I know that you are very sensitive to when threads are moved and that because of one such case you left the forum for a while - but my reaction to the OP thread in the Bitcoin discussion was not motivated by defending CM, but exclusively by moving the thread to the appropriate board. It's a bit sad for me when I see old members who used to be pro-Bitcoin attacking everything that has to do with Bitcoin, and at the same time promoting things that are at least dubious and questionable.

Quote from: OgNasty on December 11, 2022, 03:25:31 PM

I prefer to be on the right side of history (like always) which is not usually the popular position around here.

You have been on the wrong side of history for a long time, you just haven't realized it yet.

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Quote from: Lucius on December 11, 2022, 09:07:43 AM

Your implication that I defend CM for financial reasons is more than ridiculous - especially since I might be the only one who hasn't spent a single satoshi since I joined that campaign.

I don't see the logic of your argument. Whether you don't spend the money, spend it on food or spend it on hookers and cocaine doesn't change the fact that Chip Mixer brings you a good income.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 11, 2022, 03:25:31 PM

when mixing sites get banned here for promoting money laundering

Will that happen before or after the ban on promoting illegal gambling?

Feel free to wait until someone quotes this post so that you can double quote.

Good point. As if there were no questionable issues about crypto casinos.

I don't know what OgNasty's obsession about CM is. Did he appy for the sig campaign and got rejected?

As for the OP, I saw the thread in question, commented on it, and then realized that it had been moved. It makes more sense for it to be in Service Discussion, and there is no censorship on the subject, so I think this thread should be locked.

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Quote from: Lucius on December 11, 2022, 09:07:43 AM

Quote from: nutildah on December 11, 2022, 08:44:28 AM

Really the defense of ChipMixer by its sig campaigners has been far stronger than for any other entity that has ever advertised in such a manner on the forum. Its getting a bit embarrassing TBH.

I'm not ashamed of anything I've done on this forum, not even that I reported that thread like hundreds of others from the Bitcoin discussion. The fact is that a discussion on the same topic already existed, and that the OP (who is actually the alt account of a well-known member) posted that thread in a board that is not appropriate for such a discussion.

In the quote above about "getting embarrassing" I was thinking of ridicule of FatManTerra in the ChipMixer ANN thread as the most recent example, though there have been several previous instances. Obviously its OK that there be a separate thread dedicated to discussion of that topic, although yes perhaps "Service Discussion" is a better home for it.

Quote from: Lucius on December 11, 2022, 09:07:43 AM

Your implication that I defend CM for financial reasons is more than ridiculous - especially since I might be the only one who hasn't spent a single satoshi since I joined that campaign.

To those on the outside looking in its pretty obvious that's what you're doing.

Quote from: BlackHatCoiner on December 11, 2022, 09:15:26 AM

I admit that part of my defense for ChipMixer is to have it continue operating, which first of all ensures the operation of an excellent service, and second, secures me income.

Kudos for your honesty.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 11, 2022, 03:25:31 PM

[...] You can tell these people don't give a shit about how their activities negatively effect the community or Bitcoin, so long as they get some easy money. [...]

That's not really fair, I think. I'm pretty sure you're oversimplifying other people's positions and ignoring some of the ideology behind being in favor of mixers.

For me, being for fungibility necessarily means being for mixers. "Taint" is an idea that needs to be stopped before it takes root too deeply, and mixing is the only way I know of to frustrate attempts at creating UTXO blacklists.

Either you let criminals get away with stolen funds (which I agree is not ideal), or you impose a vast draconian infrastructure on everyone (which decimates any semblance of financial freedom). I know which side I choose.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 11, 2022, 03:25:31 PM

when mixing sites get banned here for promoting money laundering

Will that happen before or after the ban on promoting illegal gambling?

Feel free to wait until someone quotes this post so that you can double quote.

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Quote from: Lucius on December 11, 2022, 09:07:43 AM

Quote from: nutildah on December 11, 2022, 08:44:28 AM

Really the defense of ChipMixer by its sig campaigners has been far stronger than for any other entity that has ever advertised in such a manner on the forum. Its getting a bit embarrassing TBH.

Indeed. You can tell these people don't give a shit about how their activities negatively effect the community or Bitcoin, so long as they get some easy money. The funny part is a lot of them act like they're the morality police around here, while being some of the worst actors on the forum with their activities, boosting scammer's reputations on the trust network to help troll those who point out their behavior or harassing those who try to build real projects here while they're actively helping scammers launder stolen funds. Granted, these people would just join other campaigns when mixing sites get banned here for promoting money laundering, but they don't want to take the pay cut to do what's right and would rather pretend their behavior is honest until regulators step in. I prefer to be on the right side of history (like always) which is not usually the popular position around here.

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Quote from: nutildah on December 11, 2022, 08:44:28 AM

Really the defense of ChipMixer by its sig campaigners has been far stronger than for any other entity that has ever advertised in such a manner on the forum. Its getting a bit embarrassing TBH.

Sounds rational to me. What isn't rational is for people who've nothing to do with Chipmixer to feel ethically superior and attack it once in a while with embarrassing arguments like money laundering, taint, "you've nothing to hide" etc.

Quote from: Lucius on December 11, 2022, 09:07:43 AM

Your implication that I defend CM for financial reasons is more than ridiculous - especially since I might be the only one who hasn't spent a single satoshi since I joined that campaign.

The way you choose to spend your money doesn't alter the fact that you're making money.

I don't find it ridiculous to admit defense for financial reasons. I admit that part of my defense for ChipMixer is to have it continue operating, which first of all ensures the operation of an excellent service, and second, secures me income.

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Quote from: nutildah on December 11, 2022, 08:44:28 AM

Really the defense of ChipMixer by its sig campaigners has been far stronger than for any other entity that has ever advertised in such a manner on the forum. Its getting a bit embarrassing TBH.

I'm not ashamed of anything I've done on this forum, not even that I reported that thread like hundreds of others from the Bitcoin discussion. The fact is that a discussion on the same topic already existed, and that the OP (who is actually the alt account of a well-known member) posted that thread in a board that is not appropriate for such a discussion.

Your implication that I defend CM for financial reasons is more than ridiculous - especially since I might be the only one who hasn't spent a single satoshi since I joined that campaign.

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Quote from: Lucius on December 10, 2022, 09:33:11 AM

No one is trying to hide anything, and the moderator who handles the report only acted on the report (I personally reported it) with a link to an already existing discussion, and if he closed the thread, he did it completely logically, because it makes no sense to have the same discussion in two different boards.

There's been hundreds - thousands even - of threads opened on far stupider & more redundant subjects.

You don't have to go out of your way to defend ChipMixer. You could simply choose to ignore criticism of it if you wanted.

Really the defense of ChipMixer by its sig campaigners has been far stronger than for any other entity that has ever advertised in such a manner on the forum. Its getting a bit embarrassing TBH.

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Quote from: Bill Gates on December 08, 2022, 05:17:23 PM

Update: Thread seems to have been unlocked since I made this post here.

Maybe the Bot, TryNinja (Who else are here?) try something which will keep track of which topics are being locked and unlocked LOL

Quote from: Lucius on December 10, 2022, 09:33:11 AM

No one is trying to hide anything, and the moderator who handles the report only acted on the report (I personally reported it) with a link to an already existing discussion, and if he closed the thread, he did it completely logically, because it makes no sense to have the same discussion in two different boards. Someone from the administration (global mod or admin) obviously had a different opinion even after seeing this thread and canceled the previous decision.

Okay it proves, the topic was locked. But the reaction from OP was unnecessary. He is defiantly angry and don't like Chipmixer at all.

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Quote from: Bill Gates on December 09, 2022, 08:27:21 AM

WoW! Just WoW! As soon as I created this thread here, the thread got unlocked and moved from Bitcoin Discussion to Service Discussion. Nice Ninja move by someone in the moderation team to tarnish my reputation in public eye. Kudos to the people who think, after spending 8+ years on BitcoinTalk, I can not recognize the difference between a locked and an unlocked thread. I should have taken a screenshot. My mistake, that I did not.

For someone who, as you say, has been on the forum for 8 years, you should know what belongs in the Bitcoin discussion and what doesn't belong there. I think the Service Discussion is quite appropriate for that topic, although of course it doesn't have as much exposure as the Bitcoin discussion.

Quote from: Bill Gates on December 09, 2022, 08:27:21 AM

Regarding theymos, I have utmost respect for that man. I have witnessed, at the time of crisis in scaling debate, how he stood his ground against all odds. So, I thought, it would be worthwhile to tag him in a situation, where a mod is trying to cover some information from having maximum exposure on BitcoinTalk.

No one is trying to hide anything, and the moderator who handles the report only acted on the report (I personally reported it) with a link to an already existing discussion, and if he closed the thread, he did it completely logically, because it makes no sense to have the same discussion in two different boards. Someone from the administration (global mod or admin) obviously had a different opinion even after seeing this thread and canceled the previous decision.

It's not the first time something like this has happened, not all people are the same and they don't make decisions in the same way.

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Quote from: OgNasty on December 09, 2022, 03:12:30 PM

As the shadiness of mixers is slowly being revealed and regulation is beginning their crackdown

Lol, man. Just lol.

Quote from: OgNasty on December 09, 2022, 03:12:30 PM

Seeing this latest complaint makes me think that moderators shouldn't be allowed to participate in paid signature campaigns. They're already being paid to be here by the forum itself, why allow them to continue abusing conflicts of interest to double dip?

If you think they abuse conflicts of interest, then allowing them to participate in sig campaigns is irrelevant. If they do abuse as you say, they shouldn't be mods in the first place. By the way, everybody's free to do as they please. If some authority is likely to abuse power, it's not the absence of the signature that's going to stop them. A simple bribe can cover it.

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Quote from: Bill Gates on December 09, 2022, 08:27:21 AM

WoW! Just WoW! As soon as I created this thread here, the thread got unlocked and moved from Bitcoin Discussion to Service Discussion. Nice Ninja move by someone in the moderation team to tarnish my reputation in public eye. Kudos to the people who think, after spending 8+ years on BitcoinTalk, I can not recognize the difference between a locked and an unlocked thread. I should have taken a screenshot. My mistake, that I did not.

Well, doing something behind your back also counts as admitting that the decision was a mistake, so I don't really see all the fuss for this topic now. We can go about our own lives now, I wouldn't get upset about things that some stranger on the internet does.

As the shadiness of mixers is slowly being revealed and regulation is beginning their crackdown, maybe sweeping all the curious behavior surrounding Chipmixer and it's paid supporters here under the rug isn't the best idea. Seeing this latest complaint makes me think that moderators shouldn't be allowed to participate in paid signature campaigns. They're already being paid to be here by the forum itself, why allow them to continue abusing conflicts of interest to double dip? It seems like others should continue to post threads like this calling out questionable behavior and those engaging in it should be checked for conflicts of interest. Feels to me like moderators of this forum shouldn't feel the need to have to protect their income sources by abusing their positions here, but what do I know, I'm just a disgraced former contractor.

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Quote from: Bill Gates on December 09, 2022, 08:27:21 AM

WoW! Just WoW! As soon as I created this thread here, the thread got unlocked and moved from Bitcoin Discussion to Service Discussion. Nice Ninja move by someone in the moderation team to tarnish my reputation in public eye. Kudos to the people who think, after spending 8+ years on BitcoinTalk, I can not recognize the difference between a locked and an unlocked thread. I should have taken a screenshot. My mistake, that I did not.

Well, doing something behind your back also counts as admitting that the decision was a mistake, so I don't really see all the fuss for this topic now. We can go about our own lives now, I wouldn't get upset about things that some stranger on the internet does.

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Quote from: Bill Gates on December 09, 2022, 08:27:21 AM

after spending 8+ years on BitcoinTalk

LOL you blithering sockpuppet, anybody can see that you "wake up" every few months to shit out some useless BS.

Post from your main account so that we can properly judge your Bitcointalk experience.

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