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Topic: We can not discuss if 'ChipMixer is a honeypot or not' outside their own thread? - page 3. (Read 1878 times)

legendary
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Leave no FUD unchallenged
I think that privacy is good and money laundering is bad. I think that developing privacy for all is good and I think that taking money to advertise what has now been confirmed to be an illegal money laundering website to a forum where scamming and laundering stolen funds is an issue is really scummy behavior.

So... you're simply in denial that built-in-privacy at protocol level means that such a protocol can be used to illegally launder money? 
legendary
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I'm reading through the various posts of this thread which started off a little disjointed, but since a ten or eleven week spell, the thread has come back to life to agonise over the seizure of the Chipmixer website as part of the investigation of illegal activities of its founder - are there others that have been charged?

I see there are two aspects of this discussion - the alledged illegal activities and for the forum the bullying approach and gang mentality by Chipmixer Signature participants of anyone they deamed to be undesirable by either themselves or their DT 1 & 2 Troll allies.
donator
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Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
…whining…

I think that privacy is good and money laundering is bad. I think that developing privacy for all is good and I think that taking money to advertise what has now been confirmed to be an illegal money laundering website to a forum where scamming and laundering stolen funds is an issue is really scummy behavior.
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
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Dude. Are you in favor of mixing or not? If you are, then you're in favor of both centralized and decentralized mixers. If you're not, and you're against privacy in general, please clear it up, because that's a completely different topic. At the moment, you're whining about centralized mixing, but are in favor of "protocol privacy", which can't happen simultaneously. You are either in favor of privacy and accept money laundering as an inevitable part of human activity, or you switch to privacy violating with whatever consequence that has.
legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
It should be obvious to people here now that the “upstanding” members of our community have been taking payments for helping scammers launder funds stolen from members here all while trying to act like the forum police for who is good and bad here.

I think the term you are looking for is "PayPal Mafia".
donator
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I can't believe there are people who buy OgNasty's utopia. Nobody ever questioned the fact that some people do, indeed, use mixers to do bad, illegal, unethical, , stuff. They do help criminals, indeed, but that's because their purpose is to help every person, regardless of their moral status. Just as Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies are censorship-resistant and permissionless, so are mixers.

And the funny part is that he's in favor of mixing, as long as it's decentralized. He's provably confused. He blames mixers for being money laundering services, but he has no problem if all those criminals moved to decentralized solutions. He clearly has a problem with the people who run the mixer for reasons yet unknown.

I have a bigger problem with the people promoting it here to scammers so that their scammed funds can be mixed to avoid the community discovering who is using alts to repeatedly scam here. If that wasn’t bad enough, these are the people who have gained control of the trust network and are the biggest senders of merit to their friends who help cover up their scam enabling (see merit earned for bad takes above). I’m not the one who took away your golden goose. Don’t get mad at me. Quit trying to enable scammers here while you’re at it.

Edit: Looks like you already found a new money laundering service to promote for money to scammers here. Now that it’s proven to be illegal, I guess some people can’t admit when they’re wrong. Good luck making money promoting illegal services to users here to help them scam others.
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
I can't believe there are people who buy OgNasty's utopia. Nobody ever questioned the fact that some people do, indeed, use mixers to do bad, illegal, unethical, , stuff. They do help criminals, indeed, but that's because their purpose is to help every person, regardless of their moral status. Just as Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies are censorship-resistant and permissionless, so are mixers.

And the funny part is that he's in favor of mixing, as long as it's decentralized. He's provably confused. He blames mixers for being money laundering services, but he has no problem if all those criminals moved to decentralized solutions. He clearly has a problem with the people who run the mixer for reasons yet unknown.
legendary
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Leave no FUD unchallenged
Now we get to watch all these money laundering promoters suddenly stop promoting ChipMixer while swearing they didn’t do it for the money, they did it to push privacy. LOL.

If there isn't a ChipMixer left to promote, why would people keep promoting it?  It's easy to say people are going to stop promoting it now it no longer exists.  But that's no indication of motive on their part.

Also, I guess you didn't notice my sig now.
donator
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Turned out OGnasty was right...

Thanks for the validation. You’d be surprised how frequently I turn out to be right. “I should’ve listened to you” is something I’ve heard so many times. Whether it be about investing in BTC or avoiding vaccines, or in this case taking payments to promote a money laundering service…


I congratulate OGnasty for his valiant efforts; the now departed TECSHARE and the mad genius Cryptohunter were also among the highly insightful and moral members who called out the Chipmixer Signature scam for many years.

A by product of the incredible greed exhibited by the Chipmixer signature gang is that after years of backscratching and trust / merit collusion, some of these Chipmixer promoters ended up as the facetiously most "trusted" and "upstanding" members of this community...

Thanks. I had nothing to gain personally from it and was retaliated against via the trust network for doing so. It should be obvious to people here now that the “upstanding” members of our community have been taking payments for helping scammers launder funds stolen from members here all while trying to act like the forum police for who is good and bad here. My gripes against the current state of the DT network should make more sense now for those who haven’t been paying close attention.

Now we get to watch all these money laundering promoters suddenly stop promoting ChipMixer while swearing they didn’t do it for the money, they did it to push privacy. LOL.
legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
Some difficult questions that @theymos and his staff members need to ask themselves, if they can't clean up this forum, perhaps it's all for the best if international law enforcement does it eventually...

If international law enforcement clean up this forum, you won't be here either - the entire domain + server will be seized.
full member
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I congratulate OGnasty for his valiant efforts; the now departed TECSHARE and the mad genius Cryptohunter were also among the highly insightful and moral members who called out the Chipmixer Signature scam for many years.

A by product of the incredible greed exhibited by the Chipmixer signature gang is that after years of backscratching and trust / merit collusion, some of these Chipmixer promoters ended up as the facetiously most "trusted" and "upstanding" members of this community...

Admin knew all about this, was warned many times, did absolutely nothing, how's that for decentralization, does decentralization mean you do nothing and play the three monkeys while the forum entrusted to you by satoshi himself is taken over by criminals ?

Some difficult questions that @theymos and his staff members need to ask themselves, if they can't clean up this forum, perhaps it's all for the best if international law enforcement does it eventually...
jr. member
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xrp shitcoin is SCAM - get out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Turned out OGnasty was right...

It will be really interesting to observe how much ShitMixer Signature Campaign participants will post overally after 50 paid post per week are no more because ShitMixer money laundering got busted.
Will we hear from ShitMixer apologists how ShitMixer obviously lied about not keeping logs and suddenly, we know about stolen coins from ShitMixer payouts because ShitMixer stored ALL data?

And: mixing your money in shit won't make it clean. Any intelligent person should know.
Happy learning procedure @everyone!  Smiley
donator
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Well, this is awkward. Can’t say I didn’t see it coming and try to steer people in the right direction. I got a bunch of trust exclusions for my efforts. If anyone feels like apologizing feel free.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/03/15/germany-and-us-seize-over-46m-crypto-tied-to-chipmixer-investigation-europol/

I guess maybe I wasn’t a crazy person sounding off about the dangers of Chipmixer and how those advertising for it were maybe not the most upstanding members of our community. Signature campaign managers are about to be flooded with requests…

The very fact that the website was seized by 6+ law enforcement agencies and a guy was arrested by the Feds for running ChipMixer indisputably confirms that it was not a honeypot to begin with, no matter what people like FatManTerra claimed otherwise.

I guess it depends on your definition of honeypot and what information has been obtained by authorities. If there are records of every transaction and all those records are now in the hands of authorities as a result of it existing… Then I think you could make the argument, intentionally or not, the site functioned as a honeypot for authorities to gather information. If they got no information, then it would be difficult to make that argument.
legendary
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bitcoincleanup.com / bitmixlist.org
Well, this is awkward. Can’t say I didn’t see it coming and try to steer people in the right direction. I got a bunch of trust exclusions for my efforts. If anyone feels like apologizing feel free.

https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2023/03/15/germany-and-us-seize-over-46m-crypto-tied-to-chipmixer-investigation-europol/

I guess maybe I wasn’t a crazy person sounding off about the dangers of Chipmixer and how those advertising for it were maybe not the most upstanding members of our community. Signature campaign managers are about to be flooded with requests…

The very fact that the website was seized by 6+ law enforcement agencies and a guy was arrested by the Feds for running ChipMixer indisputably confirms that it was not a honeypot to begin with, no matter what people like FatManTerra claimed otherwise.
donator
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What I’m vehemently opposed to is users here advertising money laundering services to scammers to help them get away with scamming users here all so they can get a piece of the pie in the form of signature campaign payouts.
Would you feel better if we advertised decentralized money laundering services to scammers to help them get away with scamming users to get a piece of the pie in the form of signature campaign payouts?

Why do I ask? It's crystal clear that this would be the morally correct thing to do.

You do you. Feel free to advertise whatever illegal thing you want. I may even do you the favor of letting you know when the government is targeting said services so you can do the honorable thing and leave before you have egg on your face. You still have a signature of an illegal money laundering service even after it’s shut down in the hopes you can still get a few dollars out of it, so I’m guessing you won’t be too thankful for my warnings. I’d remove it though, as it is possible people will start tagging accounts promoting this confirmed illegal activity.

What you mean to say is a thank you to me for calling this out before regulators acted and apologies for your misguided promotion and way of thinking, as it is very clearly wrong now and that has now been legally proven.
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
What I’m vehemently opposed to is users here advertising money laundering services to scammers to help them get away with scamming users here all so they can get a piece of the pie in the form of signature campaign payouts.
Would you feel better if we advertised decentralized money laundering services to scammers to help them get away with scamming users to get a piece of the pie in the form of signature campaign payouts?

Why do I ask? It's crystal clear that this would be the morally correct thing to do.
donator
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Decentralize all the things. Crazy I know. Pushing decentralization on a Bitcoin forum. Truly my most controversial act.
Could you make yourself clear that you are in favor of money laundering if it's decentralized money laundering?

I am not in favor of money laundering in any form. I am in favor of privacy being added to Bitcoin’s protocol. What I’m vehemently opposed to is users here advertising money laundering services to scammers to help them get away with scamming users here all so they can get a piece of the pie in the form of signature campaign payouts. Seems dishonest to me and against my decade plus long mission of making sure users can trade safely here.
legendary
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Decentralize all the things. Crazy I know. Pushing decentralization on a Bitcoin forum. Truly my most controversial act.
Could you make yourself clear that you are in favor of money laundering if it's decentralized money laundering?
legendary
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Farewell, Leo
You think that’s crazy, you should hear my thoughts about currency. That will really make you think I’ve lost my mind.
You know, decentralizing things doesn't eliminate responsibilities. Only unreliable actors. Now that these criminals are heading to JoinMarket, I want to see who you will blame.

P.S. You can probably remove your signature and stop defending illegal activity now.
No, thanks. I want to inform our forum users on how to earn bitcoin honestly. Lol, what a scum.
donator
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You think that’s crazy, you should hear my thoughts about currency. That will really make you think I’ve lost my mind. I actually believe decentralized currencies are better than centralized ones as well and that people should be focusing on decentralized services over centralized always.

Decentralize all the things. Crazy I know. Pushing decentralization on a Bitcoin forum. Truly my most controversial act.

P.S. You can probably remove your signature and stop defending illegal activity now.
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