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Topic: We can totally eradicate poverty if we TRULY want to. - page 10. (Read 1897 times)

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yes you are right and I really like you, they are all people in this world who are still poor can actually become rich depending on the willingness of each of them, everything requires a process and nothing is instant.
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in order to lose the difficulties, if people can help themselves, if there are governments that help fellow people from being sorrow, of course they also help themselves, you much to choice though, if you like you really go up to distresses. But people also do not want to, as everyone wants to be rich, but they do not resent themselves or find a good solution or find a way to become a rich man.
in my opinion main thing to eradicate poverty is to increase high human resources. and we can start from ourselves, to want to learn for a better future, besides that the role of government is also needed

Poverty will never be eradicated not because I want to stay the poverty in the world but because it is essential for a country. Without people that is experiencing poverty, there will never be a development. The government are developing their country to solve poverty, the rate is decreasing but still for centuries of finding a solution, there are still poverty people. Let's stop the nonsense, it will never be eradicated, as long as there are greedy people that are getting good benefits from these people, it will never be eradicated.
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You think being wealthy is luck, lmfao..

I'm not even that wealthy and it's just luck that I have made all of my income from, it's just luck that I choose to spend my money on things that hold value, it's just luck that I haven't pissed my money away paying interest on loans and buying things to throw away..

I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome..



I suppose if we actually had equality of opportunity, that would be a first step in the right direction then. But we don't. Society is highly segregated along socioeconomic lines. Those with the means to leave cities move to the suburbs, and obviously those who can't don't. This creates areas with wealthy tax bases while other areas suffer loss of a tax base that supports schools and social services, and that's a cycle that reinforces itself. The more people flee the crumbling areas, the lower the tax base and the lower the quality of schools and support services. There's absolutely no way you can say everyone has the same opportunities and the people who haven't thrived have failed solely because they chose not to try hard enough. There is, to be blunt, a wide disparity in the access to opportunity across our society.
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in order to lose the difficulties, if people can help themselves, if there are governments that help fellow people from being sorrow, of course they also help themselves, you much to choice though, if you like you really go up to distresses. But people also do not want to, as everyone wants to be rich, but they do not resent themselves or find a good solution or find a way to become a rich man.
in my opinion main thing to eradicate poverty is to increase high human resources. and we can start from ourselves, to want to learn for a better future, besides that the role of government is also needed
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in order to lose the difficulties, if people can help themselves, if there are governments that help fellow people from being sorrow, of course they also help themselves, you much to choice though, if you like you really go up to distresses. But people also do not want to, as everyone wants to be rich, but they do not resent themselves or find a good solution or find a way to become a rich man.
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Greed of a man is the biggest reason for the gap between rich and the poor.  A greedy man with little higher intelligence and his shrewdness tries to get more and more and in this process he even does not hesitate in theft; scamming; or other so many types of such activities making / snatching money from others on which he has no right.  Even poor people are exploited by cunning people. 
So if we give away some donation to poor it will not be the permanent resolution.  We must try to make them aware or their rights; and also educate them the ways how to earn sufficient money to live a respectful life satisfying the basic needs of the life. 
"Spirituality" spread by Spiritual leaders (Saints)  works very nicely in this type of problems.  Bad habits like greed disappear once the man connects with them.
May God bless all.
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Poverty can be eradicated by employment. I am just disappointed when an university graduate they prefer to work for someone else in a company rather than making a small job that can least help someone who has less economy.

Allowances provided by the government or from the surrounding community will not give him a comfortable life, they won't be able to manage where the money will end. So as, even though we help them by just giving free money, it will make it useless.

Just two way to give the lives of poor people be better, one gives him a job and the second makes an education so that he can manage the money he has, for example he can innovate to make a job with the expertise they have, surely with strict supervision.
Well, we also have to understand that not everyone is cut out to be self-employed as that requires certain attribute which is the ability to take risk, persevere, be persistent and try hard to achieve your goals. Moreover, if everyone is creating jobs, who will be doing the work?

But being self-employed doesn't mean you are doing nothing and living off your passive income, whatever that might be (like crypto long-term holding). Self-employed means that you are your own boss, but basically you do pretty much the same things, that is anything productive which adds value to the common good. And given the current level of automation, creating jobs is likely the best job in and of itself even if the jobs you create will be taken by robots only. So everyone creating jobs and robots doing the work is not actually a bad idea on its own.

With respect to what the OP said, I really do not fancy the idea of giving people money nor food to eat. Like you said, you can create employment by building up their skills, and with that, over time, they can get to even start doing well for themselves without having to depend on anyone and that certainly makes the economy get better.

Ultimately, I agree with your point and that point of others who say that giving money to the poor is totally useless. In fact, this is what I said myself in this very post, though in a somewhat less explicit way. However, I don't think it is always the case. If someone is smart but was born poor and needs money for their education, giving them money may be the right thing to do after all, provided it does't get wasted. Actually, this is what many governments do by providing stipends for promising and gifted kids.
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Poverty will end only ,if all laziness,procrastination,ignorance and daydreaming ends.
Some people just want to work more and earn more.The distribution of wealth will take resources from them and give money to the lazy,ignorant people.Is this fair?
The people,who are extremely rich,due to breaking the law should be punished.This is the only justice I know.
This way of thinking needs to be changed because the poor reality is precisely the result of the wrong way of thinking like that. That's why it happens in the community that the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. Because the way of thinking of the poor which is mistaken continues to be left wrong, the condition gets worse; while the rich are way to think straight so that they get richer
You're right we eradicate poverty if we want all we have to do hire them for a good job. Nothing can be achieve without hard working better to give them a job.
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Poverty can be eradicated by employment. I am just disappointed when an university graduate they prefer to work for someone else in a company rather than making a small job that can least help someone who has less economy.

Allowances provided by the government or from the surrounding community will not give him a comfortable life, they won't be able to manage where the money will end. So as, even though we help them by just giving free money, it will make it useless.

Just two way to give the lives of poor people be better, one gives him a job and the second makes an education so that he can manage the money he has, for example he can innovate to make a job with the expertise they have, surely with strict supervision.
Well, we also have to understand that not everyone is cut out to be self-employed as that requires certain attribute which is the ability to take risk, persevere, be persistent and try hard to achieve your goals. Moreover, if everyone is creating jobs, who will be doing the work?

With respect to what the OP said, I really do not fancy the idea of giving people money nor food to eat. Like you said, you can create employment by building up their skills, and with that, over time, they can get to even start doing well for themselves without having to depend on anyone and that certainly makes the economy get better.

We all work to make ourselves get to where we are and those who are rich does not certainly have two heads than those who are not. Now, I am not in the area of trying to get to feed people every time, let them add to the economy by empowering them like someone rightly said. You'd be surprised at the number of values you will be creating to the world just with that alone. There are something’s that really would not make much impact to the society, and one of them is just giving people food to eat because they are poor.
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Poverty will end only ,if all laziness,procrastination,ignorance and daydreaming ends.
Some people just want to work more and earn more.The distribution of wealth will take resources from them and give money to the lazy,ignorant people.Is this fair?
The people,who are extremely rich,due to breaking the law should be punished.This is the only justice I know.
This way of thinking needs to be changed because the poor reality is precisely the result of the wrong way of thinking like that. That's why it happens in the community that the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. Because the way of thinking of the poor which is mistaken continues to be left wrong, the condition gets worse; while the rich are way to think straight so that they get richer
Believe me giving money to the poor is totally useless. Yes it can help them but it would be for short time period.
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The fact that we can completely eradicate poverty, if we want it, makes sense. Everyone must take care of his poor relative for example.
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Poverty will end only ,if all laziness,procrastination,ignorance and daydreaming ends.
Some people just want to work more and earn more.The distribution of wealth will take resources from them and give money to the lazy,ignorant people.Is this fair?
The people,who are extremely rich,due to breaking the law should be punished.This is the only justice I know.
This way of thinking needs to be changed because the poor reality is precisely the result of the wrong way of thinking like that. That's why it happens in the community that the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. Because the way of thinking of the poor which is mistaken continues to be left wrong, the condition gets worse; while the rich are way to think straight so that they get richer
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First, I think OP should edit the eradicate in his title pose to either ameliorate/curtail or reduced, give it a soft landing because it can not be eradicated in any society. And, if I have to make inference from the bible, do we still remember the rich man and the poor man story?

There are a lot of wrong statements in your post. A lot of wealthy people worked hard for that wealth, and no luck was involved.

I think that there is also the place of luck in our lives and being rich. The difference is that, being ready to identify the luck; in which case, the rich could have been ready. Off course, when being ready/opportunity meets luck, it takes one to wealth.

So we have to live ready.
I think of the united state as a country which has evolved a lot over the decades. It was initially a colony of people with pathetic financial statements and outdated infrastructure. The country paid huge attention to the human development and the current studies about their economy and political structure conclude them the most powerful country of the world.

So i want to say that they have raised their per capital income immensely and in a sense have put a full stop to the poverty. The word eradicate represent an optimistic approach towards finishing poverty but again what maters the most is the real figures and this can be done so. Poverty eradication or amelioration is a long journey and is the challenge being posed to so many countries currently.
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rich people can really help the poor but it depends on them, they are not obliged though, giving money or assistance to poor once or twice is noble but to distribute the wealth of the rich people to some unfortunate individuals, it is not fair, it doesn't help the poor to survive but it encourages them to stay on begging and waiting for someone to lend them a hand. though there are some wealthy people who offers livelihood projects for the poor, but let us face it, some poor people are really stubborn and lazy and have no plans on working for themselves. sad thing is, it has become part of the cycle.
Rich people can for sure help the poor and there is no doubt about that, but at the end of the day, it is always better to find more productive ways of helping them. The fact remains that as long as you keep giving someone food to eat, he or she will not understand how valuable that food is, because they are not working for it.

Except for someone who is handicapped, I do not expect someone who is not, to be begging. There are so many services to render at your own will, and get paid for it, no matter the country you are in but I feel some are too lazy to just realize that, and trust me, even the wealthy ones, will not want to put their money to waste.

The truth is, no one can eradicate poverty even if we come with joint effort, unless we start empowering people. That is more important than just feeding them and giving them something to eat everytime, and that won't still stop some people from not taking the opportunity to change their situations around, but would rather still want to remain poor, begging.
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You must not necessarily give physical cash or money directly in order to help the poor or the less privileged. You can set up an empowerment scheme where they could be empowered or work to earn a living for themselves. It is like teaching them how to fish instead of offering them the fish directly to eat. I guess it is best that way.

We have different point of view when it comes to this kind of thing. Of course, if I will be given a chance in amassing a large amount of money then I would help others because I know how it feels when you really need money and you don't know where you can get it. At first, in order to satiate those people, you need to give them food but along with it, you should teach them how to earn money themselves because sometimes, there are those who will abuse you because of being generous.

The only way to be "lucky rich" is to inherit from the father. Otherwise, you should strive on to become rich yourself.
In Capitalism, there is no such thing as "everybody must be rich." The richness of people is his own ability. Most people are rich because of the poor life of the past. So, people should not sit down, and wait as a poor. I'm not saying we can't help, let's help. But if you don't have a skill, you will always be poor.

Even if you only have a single skill that you are exceptional of then you can make money from it. You are not only doing it to make a living but you are doing it because you enjoy and love doing it which wouldn't feel like work anymore. Poor people are at a disadvantage when it comes to earning because they would start from scratch and those who become successful are the ones who became an inspiration to those who are born poor. As what the saying goes "It is not your fault if you are born poor but it is your fault if you die poor."
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You think being wealthy is luck, lmfao..

I'm not even that wealthy and it's just luck that I have made all of my income from, it's just luck that I choose to spend my money on things that hold value, it's just luck that I haven't pissed my money away paying interest on loans and buying things to throw away..

I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome..



The only way to be "lucky rich" is to inherit from the father. Otherwise, you should strive on to become rich yourself.
In Capitalism, there is no such thing as "everybody must be rich." The richness of people is his own ability. Most people are rich because of the poor life of the past. So, people should not sit down, and wait as a poor. I'm not saying we can't help, let's help. But if you don't have a skill, you will always be poor.
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You think being wealthy is luck, lmfao..

I'm not even that wealthy and it's just luck that I have made all of my income from, it's just luck that I choose to spend my money on things that hold value, it's just luck that I haven't pissed my money away paying interest on loans and buying things to throw away..

I believe in equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome..

I totally agree with that. People like OP think that wealth is like a cake, so if someone is wealthy, i.e. has a bigger piece of the cake, the rest are poorer. But wealth is like a fruit tree, that can grow and give more fruit, so if someone is richer, i.e. has more fruit, the rest can have more fruit as well. And when someone eats a fruit and throws the seed, a new fruit tree can grow, and so on.

Right, these ideals are why England dominated early in the industrial revolution, around the time of the first steam engines..

Until then wealth was land, and land IS like a cake..
England was intelligent to recognize that other people getting rich through industry and manufacturing was not taking wealth away from them but rather creating more wealth for everyone..

You can thank coal for all of it Smiley

Well, this is not the whole story. If you want something closer to that, England was a dominating power in the world in 17-19th centuries with lots of colonies around the globe. I'm sure that you are familiar with the phrase "the empire on which the sun never sets". It is these colonies and their ruthless exploitation that gave British Empire its wealth. Needless to say, at its peak it was larger than any other empire in history.

For example, you may want read about Opium Wars, they are very descriptive and expository of the Crown's colonial policies.
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Your idea is hard to achieve!
Many rich people would rather throw away milk and bread than pity!
Their survival rule is to make money, and will not consider the feelings of others! Even crush the poor!
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I think that poverty exists not only because of drunks and laziness, there are different difficult situations in life ... I can not say that poverty is that people who experience this do not do anything in their lives, perhaps they just in a position where they have no other way out, rich people who are madly rich and even ordinary people who are in a position when their life is in good condition, only learn to share and give, not wanting or expecting something in return , then our world would be a much better place, and I think that poverty no longer. Do good and it will return. After all, everything in life comes back as a boomerang.
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So many people are interested in amassing wealth without giving a dime to the less privilege around them, yet they will still be among the first to criticize the government in its failure to eradicate hunger and poverty in the country. You should also know that the duty of eradicating poverty must not be left to the government alone. You must also contribute your quota.
 
If you have worked to be wealthy or lucky to be one, you should see it as a social responsibility to help the less privileged people in the society. If I may ask, do you feel comfortable driving past several beggars on the street when you have billions of money in your account that you or your entire family may not be able to exhaust in the next 100 years?
 
Think about this seriously. With the so much money in the world, poverty can greatly be reduced if not totally eradicated.
 
All that is necessary is the distribution of this wealth.

There is enough to go round.

Note:
You must not necessarily give physical cash or money directly in order to help the poor or the less privileged. You can set up an empowerment scheme where they could be empowered or work to earn a living for themselves. It is like teaching them how to fish instead of offering them the fish directly to eat. I guess it is best that way.

Eradicating poverty is very challenging. There are a lot of poor people who do not have the proper education. Maybe we can start educating all the children in the world. Avoid drugs and other bad habits that can ruin health and oneself. If at least all knows how to reas and write it is not difficult to teach everyone who are in need.
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