Topic: What are the things you hate about Islam! - page 2. (Read 1078 times)

I would suggest that if you seek to find the truth on a matter such as that, do not look at "Islamic sources." Instead, look at authoritative medical sources, such as WebMD. Generally speaking, AIDS has been transmitted through unprotected sex.

Okay I accept that what is the real intention behind gay and lesbianism is not allowed in Islam but when I tried google it being gay and lesbian might increases the chances of getting AIDS? Is this true?

Well it's like this. THEY know the subject of Quran homophobia can't be directly confronted, since THEY will be condemned as the homophobic bigots they are.

So the debate tactics resulting are misdirection, goal shifting, re framing the argument and so forth.

I think this conversation got way off-topic. 
From the nonsense in the Quran and its homophobia to ways to control the population growth.

I wanted to talk about why people hate (and should hate) Islam, but I was trolled by some of you to homophobia in the animal kingdom, to ways to promote homosexual behaviors, and now you with contraceptives as a solution to the world's population growth. LOL.

Are you sure you are not trolling this thread?

Historically much of the opposition to homosexual activity was kings / leaders seeking to increase the number of male babies who would become soldiers in their country or religion. Period. Hence create negatives for homosexual behavior.

Currently  these trends still exist and exist alongside more progressive trends. Thus we see predominantly Catholic low educated hispanic immigrants in the USA with statistically large families. Same with Muslims as they are very fundamentalist.

Sexuality is something people are born with. It can't be converted or something. It's not religion. It's not your mobile phone that you can change whenever you feel like.

And even, if in future, it's possible to artificially interfere with genes and those, it would be absolute immoral to change someone's fundamental identity.

Really? Turning people into gays using scientific methods to reduce population? Are you a troll and trolling here? You know there are contraceptives which can be used for population control?

As a straight guy I can say for certain that the visual sensory perception of female secondary sex characteristics (boob, butt, bush, etc) trigger an instantaneous response of sexual attraction.  I am quite certain that this is fundamentally built in to my brain and was not very much a learned response.  I also have a instinctual response to male characteristics.  It tends to be one of aggression or preparation for such.

My point is that these types of reactions almost certainly stem from physical brain structure.  Such a structure is more likely to develop in a certain way in a normal healthy male (or female) but the structure itself can be manipulated in various ways.  After full adulthood it's probably tricky, but during development that structure probably is quite malleable.

As for evidence, the 'gay frogs' research was quite valid and quite compelling.  That's why they had to present it through some ass-clown like Alex Jones so it could be painted as 'conspiracy theory' and thus most of the peeps would look no further.  Corbett did a piece on this:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2-qdxhC6jc

Still, hard to believe that this is actually possible.
But I am open to any evidence.

Sure.  Babies start out as a single cell and develop from there.  At birth they are highly undeveloped and that development proceeds in various ways well past puberty in into early adulthood.  It is well known that there are many techniques which can manipulate this development process.

A basic understanding of endocrinology (hormones) was obtained around the turn of the century, and the 'leading scientists' of the day were ga-ga about the possibilities.  That's reflected in a lot of the science 'fiction' of the day.  The Huxleys were sort of cross-over between 'fiction' and hard science.  Russell was more on the straight-up science end of the spectrum.

Long before that political/religious leaders figured out if the started fucking kids, the kids would be all fucked up psychologically (and often homosexual, sadistic, etc) and would make good political/religious leaders who would repeat the cycle.

In short, human sexuality is highly malleable in the development phases.  That's not to say that there isn't a fair bit of natural variation as well.  Some guys, for instance, will turn out as queer as a three-dollar-bill no matter what their upbrining.  Others could be molested weekly in church and turn out to be perfectly straight.  Most people are in the mushy middle and infant/childhood experiances have a pretty big influence on how they turn out.


You have scientists actively working on techniques.

You have science fiction writers writing books about it.

You have an abundance of prima fascie evidence that social and biological methods are in use.

You have obvious evidence that the techniques are effective in the numbers which you can see at the street level without even needing to do a data dive into the research.

You have people like yourself who are totally cool with the idea of making people gay to solve the 'overpopulation problem'.

In spite of all that it's a 'tinfoil hat conspiracy theory' that anything like that is actually happening.  I would say that 'sexuality' is hardly the only thing being actively manipulated.  Basic logic and analytical ability has also suffered greatly.

Do you think you can be turned into a homosexual?  Do you think a homosexual can be turned into a straight man?
If you think there is a way, post it.  I really would like to know.

I think you would be wasting money on such 'promotions'.  It is like pissing in the wind.

It would be nice if it worked, as we need to get the global population growth to near zero. 

Just scroll down to Shia Islam, middle of the page, they have 12, Jihad is #6. They call them 'practices'.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam

Maybe wealthy eugenicists are 'nature's way' of stopping propagation of undesirable genes.  That's actually a justification they use for their activities.

As Bertrand Russell said, 'Diet, Injection, and Injunction will be combined at a very early age to produce the type of individuals that the leaders find desirable.'  As one military whitepaper said, 'promotion of homosexuality can be used to limit population growth.'

Now run along and drink your high fructose corn syrup drink out of the estrogen mimicking plastic bottle, eat your soy based foods, drink your fluoridated water.  Go to public school and learn about Heather's two mommies.  Watch a never ending stream of fagotry on free-to-air mainstream media.  And most importantly, don't forget to get ALL of your government mandated 'vaccinations'.

"the spiritual struggle within oneself against sin",This is an another meaning from the google itself,so it means they have to be against the sin not only related to islam.

Google itself man made and can be manipulated as how zuch wants.

There is no sixth pillar,only five pillars were told by messenger,if people thinks it as then they are mislead for human benefits.

We were not 'allowed' to be homosexual.  Some of us just are.  Scientists are still working on it to figure out why that is.

Reproduction is critical to the survival of the species. Maybe homosexuality is nature's way of stopping propagation of undesirable genes.
This, of course, does not mean much because in the current day and age, with all the technological advancements, we are already interfering with the natural selection. Gay men can be biological fathers and gay women can be biological mothers.  Weaklings that 50,000 years ago would die before the would see their 10th birthday, are running multinational corporations, go through multiple marriages and happily reproduce. So the natural selection is not so natural anymore.

Use google if you are not sure about the meaning of words in English.  Jihad means a struggle.  It can be a physical or spiritual struggle.  In Arabic, it means holy war. Some Muslims recognize it as the sixth pillar of Islam.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Pillars_of_Islam

Whoever told you it is love did not know much about Islam.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jihad

Yes its true that I didn't even read Quran completely,but it is important to be an Muslim? I am not sure about it.

What I read Jihad means extreme love.Yes I am not an Arab.

Interesting fact about gay animals,something new for me.So humans were allowed to being homosexual in your view? But since the beginning of living organism in this world,we see most important factor of their life is reproduction.

One thing I see continually that I dislike about Islam is the continual repetition of what, to put it bluntly, is just lies. Then you can count on other Muslims never, ever questioning such statements.

By no measure is "Islam one of the oldest religions."

I do agree with you that there may be emerging a younger Muslim type that understands at least some of the western values concepts.

You're right, what your saying here is true. about some fake preachers who turned out to be some extremists who used the name of ISLAM to spread terror in the world. Backed up by the western media, the whole religion of ISLAM became a victim of hatred. But as you can see, Muslims are not like than. You can see it from them if you genuinely know some Muslim friends. Those people are innocent of what the media's claimed. the best way of life you can find is in ISLAM.
If you don't believe me, read this: Great Non-Muslim Quotes on Islam You Need to Read

One more thing, it's not "Ramzan" it's called "Ramadhan".

I wouldn't say that media conflation of ISIS and Al Qaida Al-Qaeda with Islam is the only reason for the hatred, just the main reason. Most people who hate Islam know even less about it than I do.

Yes, I'm aware that Islam is regarded as more aggressive than say Christianity (I'm reading a book about it now, Outgrowing God, by Richard Dawkins, which says quite a bit about Mohammed's Medina period and how the circumstances at the time led to a more combative religion).

0.5% is probably generous, I know very little of Islam. My position is based more on media representation of Islam, where I would say I know a bit more (although again I'm hardly an expert).
 

islam is

for russians islam is an issue as, it is a form of arab imperialism

and it also orders a certain economic way of life, although its not beneficial for economies that are outside of deserts.

If you think terrorists groups such as ISIS or Al-Qaeda are the only reason why people hate Islam, then I would say you are a naive person.

What people actually despise from islam is the way their Qur'an teaches their people. Only those who actually read Qur'an will know that this thing can be used for manipulation and horrific interpretations. I judge you as someone who actually knows only 0.5% of what Islam actually is.