Topic: What are the things you hate about Islam! - page 8. (Read 1106 times)

yes that's right, you should offer a certain amount of money to a woman's parents, but it's not mandatory. that must be done by a man there must be a marriage contract requested by the prospective wife.

That's right, if the man wants to marry another woman, he must get the approval of his first wife. not allowed, if the man marries another woman, but does not get approval from the first wife.

In Islam you can marry up to 4 women, sin / not permitted if more than that. and a man must be fair & wise to his wives.

By the way, offering money For wedding  has been the case for centuries in many European countries (not so much lately). Well at least proving that you have money to bring to the pot / buying all the whiteware was the responsibility of the soon to be husband.

Okay, I understand now then the guy should at least offer a certain amount of money to the parents of his woman that he will marry for the approval?

And if the guy wants to marry another woman, he should get the consent of his first wife? but if the guy marries another woman without the consent of his wife, that's haram/not allowed. Is that correct?

You're goofy. The religious texts known as science theory are not all utter nonsense. You really need to study the religious texts a little more to see how many of them make perfect sense.

I want to make the distinction between Islam the religion and the culture of its follower.

Of course you will find some die-hard muslim from some very radical countries whose follower are not very well educated.
But anyone can be gas-lighted to have their belief distorted.

Muslim in Indonesia don't behave and have the same practice than in Saudi Arabia, same as muslims in America.


Slavery was accepted in Christianity, have you forgotten the slave trade between europe and the USA

Not everywhere, only if the country you live in allows it. Mainly in poor countries where wife could have died in labour and where men would go to war and die, widows would then remarry.
At least a few branches of the christianity allow polygamy (even though it is not the majority). I don't believe reading about American mulsim having multiple wife, nor in any european countries.

Not really, many muslims where against saddam hussein, And trial and court exist, have you heard of a muslim judge saying : you both are muslim so i can't pick one that is guilty, you are both not gulty.

Hum, fuck a dead wife ? i'd like to see the quote. As per marrying children, this has been done in every abrahamic religion. Better not look at what catholic priest nowadays behind closest door

I do respect your point of view, but you (like me) obviously cherry picked the part that you want to see.




It depends where you live, nowadays i would say that most terrorists are white male with supremacist idea - I wouldn't go as far as saying that they wish everybody was a christian (because they very often say that they are NOT doing this for the religion) but it is not hard to imagine their real motive.




Refer to Judaism as well
I didn't see many priest being kicked out of the church for pedophilia

What about the bible, any trace of that big boat where two of each species sailed during the judgment day.
Or about the earth was made in 7  days .... What about that magical cup that changes water in wine ?


I didn't see many stoning in USA or England, are you telling me that NO muslim women was ever raped in England or in the Great U of the SA ?
This is a practice that is country dependant, that most muslim condemn and that is mainly due to poor education of the local communities. 
By the way, back in USA and Europe, 16th -18th century, women were burnt alive because they were suspected to be witches.
Up until the 1960, black people where killed and burnt by white christian supremacist just for being black (but they had the same religion).

I didn't see many young muslim being killed in America after a kiss at school, again written, but just applied by gas-lighted people in poor uneducated country.

Burka : this one is on the most interesting. To be fair, i only did the research about it a few months ago. It blew my mind. So back in the first years of Islam. In the middle eastern region, small town didn't have public restroom (same as europe, and the USA where far from being discovered by a european boats). So women went to the woods or outside of the city at night to go to the bathroom. Back at that time, vile men where lurking outside city to find women to rape (we don't know if they were muslim, agnostic, jew or christians). 
A women wearing a scalf / veil was a free women, she had a husband and could have money, touching her would expose the rapist to hars punishment if they were caught. So women wearing the veil (burka) were safe. Slave however were a free for all. After a while the situation was explained to Mahomet. According to scriptures he consulted with god and god answered that all women should feel safe and that slaves should also be wearing the protective veil. So no rapist would touch them. Free women, gave away they old Burka to their slaves. And there come the story of why most women wear the burka in the old time. Oh by the way, great way to prevent heat stroke before the invention of cap, and suncream.


What about a book about a dude that open the read see so it people can cross (they didn't have boat).
Or the book about the magical cup that changes water in wine with the folk that can run a marathon on water.

Who is in its bubble ? we are all in a bubble of the thing we try to believe in.
People still believe today that the earth is flat and that vaccins cause autism.

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Long story short, Islam, like any other religion is perfect. But i guess it is an easy target since 9-11 (that was probably an inside job).

You guys should look at hindouism, they are the real fanatics, they kill any Indian that converted to other religion because they believe that once an indu  you can't ever be something else.
. source : https://www.newsweek.com/how-hindu-extremists-are-shutting-down-christian-churches-why-are-you-1360934

All of these religions when followed well brings nothing to this Earth but misery. If you are a real Muslim or Christian you need to convince the other people to follow your belief in order to save them. If they don't follow then you won't be friendly, communicate or help them because they are sinners and they won't be saved. These 2 religions are very dangerous no wonder both have their crusade wars. Lucky that most powerful countries are now nonreligious and tolerant to democracy and respect. Imagine if the US will flex its power and imposes or favoring Christianity in the world?

China and Russia are tolerant but with strict limitations too. The young  and powerful Prince in Saudi is becoming more liberal too.

One day, people will realize that the true religion is humanity and the world we are living. Our resources are starting to deplete and the climate is worsening. These very religious people don't care about these worldly happenings because they believe that their gods made these worsening events for a reason and that there is heaven waiting for them.

In fact, i don't like the statement that Islam is the most conservative religion. There do exist conservative groups in every Abrahimic religion. As every society culture has its specifications. Majority of Islamic countries sign the treatement of human rights just after getting their independance, so many things has just changed in few years without anyone noticed it; i mean last slave market in Saudi Arabia for example is backed to 1960th and there is a recorded video of it, try to google it. Many of those countries rejected many practises that was confirmed by religion. But many others are still forcing religious judgements. I would mention Iran and Saudi Arabia but also Mauritanie and Lybie. Recently this year, the Mauritanian govermant fight a slave market in some of its regions.  Yemen has the highest level of marrying child girls.
Yes i agree that islam needs a lot of hard work for new reviews.

Before the Islam born the penalties were more agressive like women will be buried with died husband and etc,later widows got life from multiple marriages but there is no necessity for that to happen but still rich fuckers and whores abusing it in the name of Islam.

Well for one thing, the treatment of apostates. If it's so good that it's superiority is self-evident, why the need to hunt down and kill apostates?


I agree with the things you pointed out. However one thing we should not was that tho the old Abrahamic religion condones slavery and polygamy, you pretty Christian countries have outlawed it and I believe slavery is also illegal in Israel (not sure about polygamy among modern Jews). The status of women in these societies are also more or less equal with men.

These religions have "changed". Islam didn't. It's the newest of the 3 Abrahamic religions and yet it's the one the most "conservative" one.

I haven't studied Islam meticulously but I think that the worst part in this religion is the inequality of men and women.
If I am not mistaken, women are not as equal as men and in many occasions they face death penalties or even they throw rocks at them.

I also agree with you. Though I don't know or ever read Quran.

I don't think Quran said people to rape women,if they do then they are doing wrong so how can you blame a religion for people's sin.

So you believe in stoning women if they are raped?

Kill your daughter if she kisses an infidel?

Rape your sister if she does not wear burka?

Read a middle ages book about a dude who walked the desert and saw some aliens?

You either live in a bubble or hace no clue about modern society, geez, multiple marrige was a good cause? Sending away young boys to old male "teachers" in Afghanistan eho rape them every bight is a good cause too?

There is a lot of places to talk about religion. especially to clear the misconception about ISLAM. if you are from London, there is a place called "Speakers Corner" where all of the religious persons on earth can go there and ask the right persons about their religions. There are also a lot of videos on youtube from speakers corner to understand more about ISLAM, I mean the real Islam. not from the one who hates it or from a bias media. like for example in this video, you can see the people are willing to know about ISLAM so they ask the right person about it.




Dawah To Young Visitors Speaker's Corner Hyde Park

Thanks for your opinion about Islam,ump they were ain Islam gambling is prohibited but saying bitcoin as haram from Islamic institutions proves how dump they were and I will not give attention those things anyway.

People keep sating slavery is allowed in Islam which is mentioned in Quran,please someone give the Arabic version of these versus then I can ask people about that and let here know why it was mentioned in that way.

I only believes we are slaves of God,and no need to bow for anyone even to the Prophet as far as I know.

Alcohol is prohibited by the way in Islam,scientific research says if someone consume ALcohol once in their life it causes some mismanagement in the stomach area not sure what these things about.

Every religion have minus and plus, also in Islam.
I am Islam, what i hate why terrorist is always linked with Islam. I already study every religion, they don't teach about killing people is accepted.
Also don't too much hate other religion, that is up to them to choose what religion to have.

From an old agnostic person. I treat all the human spiritual believes in the same way. I think that every relegious doctrine is dangerous enough to kill anything and everything by just admitting that this is the willing of God. According to the religion's history, would anyone count how many persons had been killed or raped or slaved because of religious morals and wars? The Ibrahimic religions are the worst religious experience for the human being during all his history.
About Islam, it's a peaceful religion as anybody can confirm. Muslims are human beings enjoying a spiritual experience. Like all other believers. But by checking some of the god speech in the Quranic text (it's comsidered as the speech of Allah) we can easly get chocked by some verses. I will give some examples and just think by yourself if this religion really deserve respect (am not saying that muslims don't deserve to be respected as they are free to believe in whatever they think is from god) :
- Slavery in Islam is allowed, and has been confirmed by many verses.
- Polygamy is also allowed.
- Considering non-muslims as ennemies and treat them in a humilated way; ex, non muslim living with muslims has to convert to Islam or pay the famous tax AlJezia.
- Men are favored by God while women are in a low level, and this is confirmed in so many situations like in heritage divisions and devorces and even in Islamic heaven we can read about a lot of promises for men but barely nothing for women.
- Any muslim has to defend for his brother in Islam even he did wrong.
- According to some related books, it is allowed to marry children and fuck a dead wife (yes it is true) and many funny legislations that are in contradiction total with the international convention of human rights.
Would anybody feel confortable with such a dogmatic religion?
Hhhhhh , recently read that some islamic institutions confirmed that using bitcoin is not allowed "haram" as gambling is Haram and also trade. While am in love with Red wine, islam also forbidds alcohol drinks.

As far as I know there is no age was defined to get married but there are sayings from Prophet,when a man has earned enough money to live his life with the partner then he is ready to get married but he cannot marry anyone he wants,the girl should accept him along with her parents or else it is haram.

I am not defending. But marrying at such a young was prevalent in those days and even very recently as well. You should ask your family about the age your grandmother or her mother got married at. I am sure you will be surprised at the answer you will get

I've seen some people that really abuse this law of your religion. Is it also allowed to marry a younger age? a minor? Because I've seen someone on the news converted to Islam just for that.

I don't hate Islam or Muslim people, in fact I have friends that's into this religion and they really are easy to approach and decent. That's why I respect all of your beliefs and thoughts. The misconception that's spreading is because of those who are using Islam to bring terror, they bring wrong impression and fear to the people that affects other innocent Muslims.