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What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Who are the allies to be identified with Russia? As at now every businesses, companies and organizations were departing the country and no one has come out boldly to make a stand with Russia, meaning that all that Putin is doin is unethical and not tolerated by any culture or continent, it is believed to be an act of massacre, even the millitary that goes into war always have a plan of rescue of the innocent citizens, females and young ones.

Putin has already lost the war in Ukraine. The Armed Forces of Ukraine inflicted such colossal damage to the invading Russian troops on the manpower and equipment of the invaders that now Russia is turning to China for help in military equipment, and in Syria and Libya is recruiting volunteers for the war in Ukraine. The image of the invincible Russian army has been irreparably damaged, but that's not even the point. Putin and his military leadership have made many mistakes by counting on a quick victory over Ukraine in three or four days. Russia now can no longer defeat Ukraine, and they have already realized this there, so they simply destroy any of its infrastructure in anger, because they know that it will not be captured and will not belong to Russia.

On the other hand, the imposed sanctions will work and continue to have a devastating effect on the Russian economy, even if they are lifted in the near future. Therefore, soon Russia will become a poor state, if it still retains its territory, which I deeply doubt.

While without a doubt Russia expected to win this war under a week and now they are frustrated this is not the case I doubt that they are destroying the infrastructure out of anger, this is nothing more but another example of total war, in which the invader begins to destroy anything that may have some use for the opposite army with the hopes of demoralizing them and at the same time to cut short their supplies, this means Russia is taking more seriously the war and it is just one more indicator that tells us they are not going to back down on their decision to invade Ukraine.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on March 14, 2022, 07:09:47 AM

Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 12:43:38 PM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Who are the allies to be identified with Russia? As at now every businesses, companies and organizations were departing the country and no one has come out boldly to make a stand with Russia, meaning that all that Putin is doin is unethical and not tolerated by any culture or continent, it is believed to be an act of massacre, even the millitary that goes into war always have a plan of rescue of the innocent citizens, females and young ones.

Putin has already lost the war in Ukraine. The Armed Forces of Ukraine inflicted such colossal damage to the invading Russian troops on the manpower and equipment of the invaders that now Russia is turning to China for help in military equipment, and in Syria and Libya is recruiting volunteers for the war in Ukraine. The image of the invincible Russian army has been irreparably damaged, but that's not even the point. Putin and his military leadership have made many mistakes by counting on a quick victory over Ukraine in three or four days. Russia now can no longer defeat Ukraine, and they have already realized this there, so they simply destroy any of its infrastructure in anger, because they know that it will not be captured and will not belong to Russia.

On the other hand, the imposed sanctions will work and continue to have a devastating effect on the Russian economy, even if they are lifted in the near future. Therefore, soon Russia will become a poor state, if it still retains its territory, which I deeply doubt.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 12:43:38 PM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Who are the allies to be identified with Russia? As at now every businesses, companies and organizations were departing the country and no one has come out boldly to make a stand with Russia, meaning that all that Putin is doin is unethical and not tolerated by any culture or continent, it is believed to be an act of massacre, even the millitary that goes into war always have a plan of rescue of the innocent citizens, females and young ones.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on March 14, 2022, 03:21:05 AM

Putin has not done this to gain economically from this invasion, because Russia is printing money from the increased oil prices. The sanctions will hurt most of the countries more, than they are hurting Russia at the moment.

Russia want to show to the world their power. In recent years Russia isn't talked much. Most when discussed about world powers, the talks will be mostly of USA and China. That too might be a reason for the unexpected invasion on Ukraine.

Quote from: Kakmakr on March 14, 2022, 03:21:05 AM

McDonald’s announced that it would be suspending its operations in Russia. This affects 847 branches and 62,000 employees, who will continue to be paid. - Now, how does a paid vacation sound like, if you not working... but still getting paid?

Almost most of the leading business firms have stopped operating in Russia. For some time period the employees will be paid, afterwards firms will always look for a way to stop paying.

Quote from: Kakmakr on March 14, 2022, 03:21:05 AM

Russia (Putin) invaded the Ukraine for political gain to flex his muscles to show the world that they are still one of the most powerful countries in the world. They also showed the Ukraine and their own citizens, what will happen if they even considered apposing their reign. Roll Eyes

Russia didn't expected that Ukraine will stand strong. If I'm not wrong Russia could've thought Ukraine will obey and surrender. But, things happened in the opposite way and this itself a failure for Russia.

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It can't. Because for an economy to grow it would have to be connected to the global market, and in the event, it did occupy Ukraine, it would still be under sanctions. Furthermore, in the case of full occupation of Ukraine, it wouldn't be a peaceful place and therefore it would be economically inessential. So no, Russia made an economic error, and it failed to move with the times (as China did, where you can see they do not want a war because their economy grows without it). There would have to be a big shift in Russian political and governmental organization for it to be accepted back into the global economy.

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Putin has not done this to gain economically from this invasion, because Russia is printing money from the increased oil prices. The sanctions will hurt most of the countries more, than they are hurting Russia at the moment.

McDonald’s announced that it would be suspending its operations in Russia. This affects 847 branches and 62,000 employees, who will continue to be paid. - Now, how does a paid vacation sound like, if you not working... but still getting paid?

Russia (Putin) invaded the Ukraine for political gain to flex his muscles to show the world that they are still one of the most powerful countries in the world. They also showed the Ukraine and their own citizens, what will happen if they even considered apposing their reign. Roll Eyes

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Russia need to win this war for future balance of power in the international politics but not through missiles and guns but by way of high level diplomatic dialogues. They must dialogue with their sister's nation Ukraine and agree to help part fund the rebuilding of the ruined cities in return of a no NATO Ukraine membership. Violence will mean more sanctions and woes.

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Quote from: DrBeer on March 12, 2022, 05:09:21 AM

As someone said "Russia is Zimbabwe with snow." Yes, no matter how strange it sounds - but Russia is technologically the most backward of the "big countries". Everything that is more or less technologically advanced is the legacy and remnants of the technologies of the USSR. Everything on which industry and the economy are based is Western, attracted technologies. You will not be able to find a single technology in the last 30 years that Russia would have created and brought to the international market as a complete complete solution! The only thing she could do was sell resources and bribe politicians who would buy the rest of the rubbish from Russia, such as their "unparalleled" weapons, which are now being destroyed in Ukraine at a wild speed

Well that is mainly because they have the power of energy that helps them out a lot and that is why they never really needed to grow. They come from a long lasting level of secrecy from the KGB and USSR period as well, assignations and hidden idea stealing and so forth.

It means they do not need to build an amazon, a tesla, a google, or a facebook. They have gas, oil, and factories which is more than enough for them, and lands of lands of farms as well. When you combine these to a multi billion dollar levels, you really do not need anything else. Don't get me wrong USA has enough oil, gas and farm lands as well but they preferred to go with the tech route and it worked out well for them, so that is not wrong move neither.

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It will be difficult for Russian to take over Ukraine economy to grow higher because others countries of the world will not allow such calamity to happen to Ukraine or any country of the world. Based on the new attacked Ukraine soldiers lunch on Russian economy, show that their economy will take like 3 or 4 years before their economy can grow higher as usual in the country. Ukraine government are ready to do everything possible with their power to protect what belong to them not to allow Russian to take over their resources and other things in the country.

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I think that the only way it can grow is for the Russians to be victorious and manage to invade Ukraine in its entirety and impose a state allied to them, which is a Russia in disguise, I think that is the only way to empower itself and if this happens, it would be leaving behind economies like the United States and Europe far behind because Russia would become a creditor of many natural resources, uranium and a total privileged position by the Black Sea, which would make having a great commercial control essential for the whole world. And if Russia is a power in terms of gas, oil, with this acquisition hand in hand with China, it will be a power that no one will want to mess with, because they would have more nuclear strength.

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I might be wrong here but I really think that this us impossible to happen just think about how severe those sanctions are since there are currently 5500+ sanctions imposed on Russia whereas on iran it's only about 3k. And if you think about it, it may even be because of this that Putin went ballistic and shelled the 6 reactors at Zaporizhzhya station which could've been very disastrous had there been any mistakes.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 12:43:38 PM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Take economic power of the UKRAIN?

HOW?

Though Russia succeeds with the Ukraine war and is able to rule that land they wont be getting anything. Jelensky already stated in the news before that their schools, universities, hospitals and businesses have been bombed to the ashes and there is literally junk in that country and nothing else.

Have you ever imagined how much cost it would take to rebuild the cities, roads, buildings and bloom that country one more time? Jelensky already asked for $100 Billion from the NATO, and this money can only replenish the current war period and nothing else.

There is no wat they gonna get anything from it. Russia will actually get more into debt after this.

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Quote from: DrBeer on March 12, 2022, 05:09:21 AM

Quote from: MCVXYZ on March 11, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

Countries all over the world have announced that they will not buy oil, gas and other energies from Russia and they're going to search alternatives.
First of all, If we look at the 2nd world countries, their advance depend on export of natural resources, another key driver of economic growth is technology. I have never heard about their advance in technology. So make your own conclusions

As someone said "Russia is Zimbabwe with snow." Yes, no matter how strange it sounds - but Russia is technologically the most backward of the "big countries". Everything that is more or less technologically advanced is the legacy and remnants of the technologies of the USSR. Everything on which industry and the economy are based is Western, attracted technologies. You will not be able to find a single technology in the last 30 years that Russia would have created and brought to the international market as a complete complete solution! The only thing she could do was sell resources and bribe politicians who would buy the rest of the rubbish from Russia, such as their "unparalleled" weapons, which are now being destroyed in Ukraine at a wild speed

I don't know if anyone here follows on Instagram the page Ukrainian_Defense but that page shows just that,Russian "unparalleled" weapons destroyed every single day.I see posts from this page a lot daily and it gives me courage that Russia will not prevail that easy if at all.Someone says "Russia is Zimbabwe with snow" I say they will soon become the second north Korea completely isolated from the rest of the world.What rages everyone is those government persons claiming we are not doing any invasion on Ukraine,they seem to live in their distort reality.The fact that the EU during the summit at Versaille clearly wanted to build a greener energy sustainable before 2030 says a lot,EU is strong and can do that.

Even if Russia in the scenario that completely get Ukraine and make it part of Russia their economy will still fail because EU and US will not buy from their commodities,they will prefer more expensive alternatives at the cost of Russia starving to death.Also no one looks at Russian civilians with empathy anymore but with strong antipathy now and most big EU firms promised never a job Russia will get from EU.

Russia is en route to fail miserably over the long term.

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Quote from: MCVXYZ on March 11, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

Countries all over the world have announced that they will not buy oil, gas and other energies from Russia and they're going to search alternatives.
First of all, If we look at the 2nd world countries, their advance depend on export of natural resources, another key driver of economic growth is technology. I have never heard about their advance in technology. So make your own conclusions

Oil producing countries will not produce more because they love what's happening right now and they are the one who's benefiting on this war since if the price of oil became more expensive then most provably it will give more profit to them so I guess we will remain like this until the issue on Ukraine and Russia will not resolve.

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Quote from: MCVXYZ on March 11, 2022, 03:20:33 PM

Countries all over the world have announced that they will not buy oil, gas and other energies from Russia and they're going to search alternatives.
First of all, If we look at the 2nd world countries, their advance depend on export of natural resources, another key driver of economic growth is technology. I have never heard about their advance in technology. So make your own conclusions

As someone said "Russia is Zimbabwe with snow." Yes, no matter how strange it sounds - but Russia is technologically the most backward of the "big countries". Everything that is more or less technologically advanced is the legacy and remnants of the technologies of the USSR. Everything on which industry and the economy are based is Western, attracted technologies. You will not be able to find a single technology in the last 30 years that Russia would have created and brought to the international market as a complete complete solution! The only thing she could do was sell resources and bribe politicians who would buy the rest of the rubbish from Russia, such as their "unparalleled" weapons, which are now being destroyed in Ukraine at a wild speed

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Countries all over the world have announced that they will not buy oil, gas and other energies from Russia and they're going to search alternatives.
First of all, If we look at the 2nd world countries, their advance depend on export of natural resources, another key driver of economic growth is technology. I have never heard about their advance in technology. So make your own conclusions

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Quote from: Silberman on March 11, 2022, 12:27:13 PM

Quote from: DrBeer on March 09, 2022, 12:37:28 PM

In order for the economy to grow after the war, the economy must exist

Russia has an economy
1. Non-competitive
2. Technologically backward
3. Technology dependent
4. Mostly resource-based economy
5. Commodity economy - dependent on Western technology

Therefore, there is NOTHING to recover! The result will not be economic growth, but the collapse of Russia into many independent, Western-controlled states.

I doubt this scenario will happen, after all we have already seen the crumbling of the USSR and Russia despite its size remained unified, so I find it difficult to believe that even if we could see a collapse of their economy something like this would happen, if anything a repetition of what we saw back then would be our best hope, in which a popular but inept leader rises up and then when things are going badly then an ex member of the previous government takes control and then we are at back at square one with Russia.

A few words about "the whole world depends on Russian oil"

Venezuela will sell oil to the United States.
Caracas intends to increase oil production in 2022 to 2-3 million barrels per day and sell it in the United States.
"Venezuela is open to investment, oil and gas production, oil and gas stability around the world, including the United States. We are ready to sell US oil and gas, we must not politicize economic issues," said Petroleos de Venezuela (PDVSA). President Nicolas Maduro.
Nothing personal, just business !

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Quote from: DrBeer on March 09, 2022, 12:37:28 PM

In order for the economy to grow after the war, the economy must exist

Russia has an economy
1. Non-competitive
2. Technologically backward
3. Technology dependent
4. Mostly resource-based economy
5. Commodity economy - dependent on Western technology

Therefore, there is NOTHING to recover! The result will not be economic growth, but the collapse of Russia into many independent, Western-controlled states.

I doubt this scenario will happen, after all we have already seen the crumbling of the USSR and Russia despite its size remained unified, so I find it difficult to believe that even if we could see a collapse of their economy something like this would happen, if anything a repetition of what we saw back then would be our best hope, in which a popular but inept leader rises up and then when things are going badly then an ex member of the previous government takes control and then we are at back at square one with Russia.

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In order for the economy to grow after the war, the economy must exist

Russia has an economy
1. Non-competitive
2. Technologically backward
3. Technology dependent
4. Mostly resource-based economy
5. Commodity economy - dependent on Western technology

Therefore, there is NOTHING to recover! The result will not be economic growth, but the collapse of Russia into many independent, Western-controlled states.

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Quote from: Silberman on March 08, 2022, 01:56:24 PM

Quote from: so98nn on March 04, 2022, 02:23:13 PM

That's really funny. Just double verify the news man, Russia is already cut off from the SWIFT, there are long waits for the Russians to get cash money from machines and banks. They have their currency devalued in the international market and most importantly they are loosing money like hell everyday on their war acts.

Russia is now segregated badly as ground X continent. They gonna suffer. Many businesses will pull back from their land and they will see economic downturn soon.

After war, they will be bankrupt continent with no man's land.

That would be an ideal scenario for the US but I doubt it is going to happen, as unbelievable as it may seem the level of debt Russia has compared to his GDP is on the low side allowing them to more easily maneuver despite the sanctions, and when we add that we know the Chinese government is on their side then the economic sanctions are not going to be as effective as they could be, so all in all I think Russia with some troubles will be able to endure the sanctions no matter how hard they are.

they will survive even if there are tons of sanctions thrown to them. and yes, another giant economy is on their side, which is china. they will suffer economically, but they will recover. how long? that's the big question. also we don't know yet the end of this war. maybe, just maybe, putin will come into his senses. and stop this aggression. we are just hoping for the best here. but let's see, maybe after a couple of months or so, we will see what will happen to these 2 countries. but am hoping that civilian casualties should stop as soon as possible.

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