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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

It is literally a sort of economic interest that brought to something more agressive and even caused a war.
This war will obviously have losing results in both parties but to see it that Ukraine had suffered most and it makes them hard to recover fast than Russia.

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and that will make Russia more powerful.

Russia is powerful already even before and they protect that power no matter how much it cost, even the lives of their people. And this Ukraine supposedly lives happy and free from the war if they stay neutral (my opinion).

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Succeed? - there is no such a thing when Russia has already lost much more than Ukraine. Just forget the word ,,succeed'' when Russian soldiers are killing children and violate the rules of war.this is not conquest but genocide.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Possible scenario is replenish the food storage, bullets, and other equipment to start invading neighboring country. They will be come powerful with the economy of Ukraine under their grasp. Striking the iron while it is hot they say. If not then they will continue to suffer with more Sanctions and find a way to elevate their economy. It is just a matter of time where their own people will make their country fall, hungry people can do anything and it includes going against it's own government.

So to say, "the Russian economy" is a fake. The only thing they can do is sell resources. And then with a caveat - only in the presence of Western technology and technology. They do not produce anything on their own, they do not have a full-fledged production, the maximum is processing. To be convinced of this, just look at the results of the attack by "the strongest army on Earth", on a small Ukraine, with a rather weak army!? Do you want me to show you real photos of the defeated columns of the Russians? Do you want me to show you a lot of videos where they surrender in platoons? Do you want me to show you the fields with a bunch of corpses of Russians whom Russia does not want to take? You know that in the 7 days of the war against Ukraine, the "strongest army in the world" lost more than 2 wars in Ichkeria! Today, the losses of Russia in 7 days of the war against Ukraine are 50% of the losses of the USSR in Afghanistan in 10 years! Stop listening to fakes about "the greatness of Russia", "powerful Russian economy" and "unparalleled weapons", these are all fairy tales for a crazy old man in a bunker ...

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

You seem pretty naive and lacking in much economic intelligence. The people of Ukraine, even if they are occupied by Russia, will continue to fight a guerilla war against these oppressors for the long term. It will be a persistent thorn in the side and drag down Russia even further. The Russian economy has been decimated by all the sanctions and their reputation is in the dirt.. it's like saying will a country get richer after losing 90% of their value. They have literally thrown away the last 20 years of progress for Putin's vanity war.

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Putin is mad, so we can't assume anything in advance. It's pretty sure Putin not gonna stop the war before he wins. Since any country including NATO isn't helping Ukraine, then it's not hard for Russian to grab the Ukraine. Two things would happen, Putin would combine Ukraine with Russia as a state, or he could accomplish his nominated president there. The more likely second option would be done. But I think sanctions would exist the same as now even they win. Not gonna change it very soon. Putin has to struggle to rebuild the economy with help of their friend country. There is something on his mind that we don't know exactly.

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As long as the sanctions remain, Russia's economy isn't going anywhere and from what I see, I can tell that these sanctions will remain for a very long time. Russia has already declared that they are not going to make payments for their bond coupons. That pretty much means bankruptcy. Financially, Russia is a bankrupt state right now.

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Quote from: Koro-Sensei on March 03, 2022, 01:16:02 PM

Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Sanctions after sanctions, these will surely make Russia suffer even after they takeover kyiv. I think even if they could have Ukraine, the effect of international sanctions that they are facing will be massive in terms of economic drop. However, if they could find alternatives to these given sanctions added by the land and natural resources that Ukraine has, they could potentially be more powerful.

As long as China is not putting sanctions in Russia, their economy will not fall that much. They can feel some hindrances in doing transaction but Putin is prepared for this before he started the war. He might already have plans or alternatives to the sanctions that they are weighing as they still continue the fight. Russia can grow more powerful after war if they become successful in invading Ukraine but hopeful peace talk will happen already to stop it and to no longer put in danger all the innocent lives.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Sanctions after sanctions, these will surely make Russia suffer even after they takeover kyiv. I think even if they could have Ukraine, the effect of international sanctions that they are facing will be massive in terms of economic drop. However, if they could find alternatives to these given sanctions added by the land and natural resources that Ukraine has, they could potentially be more powerful.

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If they don't take that much damage then they're going to get richer in the war but if they did sustain a heavy one then they're going to make only a breakeven, plus it's going to take them a lot of resources to rehabilitate Ukraine since they're going to have to rebuild it and with the economic sanctions, we might see Russia plunge into an even worse economic turmoil.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

The economy of Ukraine is in ruins and the number of refugees exceeded 1 million(it will grow even further).
Even if Russia occupied Ukraine,there's going to be a gorilla war.Who is going to invest and build businesses in a country,that is ruined by a war and the people are trying to escape?
Ukraine will become a huge financial burden for Russia.Putin knows that and he doesn't want to conquer Ukraine.He wants to establish a puppet government and a guarantee that Ukraine will never become a member of NATO.
The economy of Russia cannot grow under severe western sanctions.

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I can't imagine what will happen if Russia succeeds in conquering Ukraine because Russia will try to conquer other countries to show that Russia is stronger than them. What is clear, EU countries and NATO will not be happy with it, and maybe it will trigger other tensions. But hopefully, Russia fails in conquering Ukraine because aid for Ukraine continues to arrive to provide support to the country.

But there is a possibility that the Russian economy could be hit hard after the war because their resources have already been used up for the war, and although they still have supplies to hold on to, I don't believe they are still going strong. But I don't know, and I'm not that interested in war. It is better to pray for safety for Ukraine's people.

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There will become another war if that happens, we all know that Russia and China were both similar country. What I mean by that is they want power and to conquer many parts of the world, like what China does on Spratly Island which is part of the Philippines.

Knowing that if the economy of Russia grows after the war, they all have the money to spend on upgrading their military force and conquer other part of the world. Who knows, maybe if that happen, the whole earth may become Russia, and I am sure that all of the country that has the power to stop Russia must do what they can to prevent that from happening.

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The Russian Ukraine war has been considered as the worst thing even more than a covid-19 pandemic, things will never go back to normal both the economic and the military infrastructure and equipment have been destroyed through the war and we fear if this will not need to another world war because the world is not prepared for that now. There is a high possibility Russia will succeed in its conquest of Ukraine but what positive impact will that make on their economy. I don't think there is much for Russia to gain in this war.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Don't even dream about it. Russia, in principle, could capture Ukraine, but it will not be able to keep its territory. In addition, during the first week of the attack, the Russian military made many mistakes, because of this the people of Ukraine have united so much that Putin will not even be able to occupy Ukraine.
The latest sanctions should hit the Russian economy very painfully, after which, apparently, it can turn into a secondary state and lose part of its territory.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

In fact, Russia wants Ukraine to rejoin the Russian state, and if Russia succeeds in controlling Ukraine then Russia's power will of course increase.
But with so much criticism from other countries even Ukraine has the sympathy of many countries on other continents, it will not be easy for Russia
to control Ukraine. Even if Russia finally gets what they wants, it is certain that many countries have imposed economic sanctions and it is likely that
Russia will have difficulty developing its economy. Even though Russia is a big country, it still requires the support of other countries to accelerate
economic development. It is unlikely that many countries will provide support for Russia after this incident.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

How would Russia rise for this situation? Sanctions for them is almost everywhere and they cannot accelarate their economy at this point even their currency has many limits in terms of transacting it so I don't think they will benefit on this and they became more powerful. What I think here is maybe Russia will lose a little bit power since some countries are been controlled by US and there are other more will join on NATO which is feared by Russia to happen.

I don't know what Putin's been thinking but I think their only goal is to achieve Ukraine without any trouble yet it's not that easy since they (Ukraine) were influenced by the west or NATO. It's all about their history about the Soviet Union that's why Putin's so desperate to take Ukraine.

Anyway, with all of these sanctions almost everywhere how could someone think Russia's economy would grow if most of the country has been cutting them off? Right now, China is the only one that I think has been normally trading with them but that's it – it has nothing to do with their economy since it will take a long time for them to recover after the war.

If Russia will win from this war, that will not change everything as Putin becomes the root of everything that had turn lives into deaths and destruction of all the infrastructures that could give benefits to the most people in Ukraine. And the fact that this war arise from the selfish desire of Putin, i guess at the end of the day no one deserves to win from a war. Supremacy may be totally achieved by Russia, but it should have never be done from war, instead let peace talk should be its only option. And for EU and NATO countries, i think this war may build a gap between them and Russia but future state leaders will manage to settle that.

one of the causes of the war was because of the plans for ukraine to join the EU and nato and if this happens i think it will be more difficult for russia to win, but anything can happen considering russia is a country that is equipped with modern and sophisticated weapons but i hope it is selfish Russia can be submerged and can make peace with Ukraine because we know the impact of this war on its people

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Quote from: Kasabus on March 02, 2022, 09:38:45 AM

If Russia will win from this war, that will not change everything as Putin becomes the root of everything that had turn lives into deaths and destruction of all the infrastructures that could give benefits to the most people in Ukraine. And the fact that this war arise from the selfish desire of Putin, i guess at the end of the day no one deserves to win from a war. Supremacy may be totally achieved by Russia, but it should have never be done from war, instead let peace talk should be its only option. And for EU and NATO countries, i think this war may build a gap between them and Russia but future state leaders will manage to settle that.

He thinks he is the winner because he have done massive damage in Ukraine but for us, Ukraine is still the winner here because they defended their country with all of their heart. Peace talk can be done by other countries but not with Putin because this guy is crazy. He wants real action, wars and there they have it. If Russian economy grows higher after a war, I think someone will be out of their minds because that is unbelievable.

We all see what Russia did to Ukraine and they will still get all the sympathy? that's not right. What can actually happen to Russia is their economy will crash very hard. Everyone is expecting this already and that can't be change anymore.

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Quote from: Oceat on March 01, 2022, 06:27:20 PM

Quote from: arwin100 on March 01, 2022, 05:02:45 PM

Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

How would Russia rise for this situation? Sanctions for them is almost everywhere and they cannot accelarate their economy at this point even their currency has many limits in terms of transacting it so I don't think they will benefit on this and they became more powerful. What I think here is maybe Russia will lose a little bit power since some countries are been controlled by US and there are other more will join on NATO which is feared by Russia to happen.

I don't know what Putin's been thinking but I think their only goal is to achieve Ukraine without any trouble yet it's not that easy since they (Ukraine) were influenced by the west or NATO. It's all about their history about the Soviet Union that's why Putin's so desperate to take Ukraine.

Anyway, with all of these sanctions almost everywhere how could someone think Russia's economy would grow if most of the country has been cutting them off? Right now, China is the only one that I think has been normally trading with them but that's it – it has nothing to do with their economy since it will take a long time for them to recover after the war.

If Russia will win from this war, that will not change everything as Putin becomes the root of everything that had turn lives into deaths and destruction of all the infrastructures that could give benefits to the most people in Ukraine. And the fact that this war arise from the selfish desire of Putin, i guess at the end of the day no one deserves to win from a war. Supremacy may be totally achieved by Russia, but it should have never be done from war, instead let peace talk should be its only option. And for EU and NATO countries, i think this war may build a gap between them and Russia but future state leaders will manage to settle that.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Taking over Ukraine would do more damage to the overall economy than if they just backed down. The entire world is levying sanctions against Russia. After a takeover the world will be very reluctant dealing with Russia both on imports and exports. Why would you think this would help their economy? Seems pretty cut and dry what this invasion has done to their economy already.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Possible scenario is replenish the food storage, bullets, and other equipment to start invading neighboring country. They will be come powerful with the economy of Ukraine under their grasp. Striking the iron while it is hot they say. If not then they will continue to suffer with more Sanctions and find a way to elevate their economy. It is just a matter of time where their own people will make their country fall, hungry people can do anything and it includes going against it's own government.

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