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Quote from: so98nn on March 04, 2022, 01:23:13 PM

That's really funny. Just double verify the news man, Russia is already cut off from the SWIFT, there are long waits for the Russians to get cash money from machines and banks. They have their currency devalued in the international market and most importantly they are loosing money like hell everyday on their war acts.

Russia is now segregated badly as ground X continent. They gonna suffer. Many businesses will pull back from their land and they will see economic downturn soon.

After war, they will be bankrupt continent with no man's land.

That would be an ideal scenario for the US but I doubt it is going to happen, as unbelievable as it may seem the level of debt Russia has compared to his GDP is on the low side allowing them to more easily maneuver despite the sanctions, and when we add that we know the Chinese government is on their side then the economic sanctions are not going to be as effective as they could be, so all in all I think Russia with some troubles will be able to endure the sanctions no matter how hard they are.

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Like two sides of a coin war comes with either a resultant effect that may either be negative or positive to all involved, including the victims.

Whether Putin's orligachys are being investigated over stashed money outside Russia or not, whether Russia and it's citizens would or wouldn't benefit from the aftermath of the war it's something one can't be sure about cause, the so-called politicians always knows how to cover their tracks.

All we're seeking is an end to the war. I believe life is starting to become unbearable for children and women in both countries who knows little or nothing about this war.

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What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Possible scenario is replenish the food storage, bullets, and other equipment to start invading neighboring country. They will be come powerful with the economy of Ukraine under their grasp. Striking the iron while it is hot they say. If not then they will continue to suffer with more Sanctions and find a way to elevate their economy. It is just a matter of time where their own people will make their country fall, hungry people can do anything and it includes going against it's own government.

So to say, "the Russian economy" is a fake. The only thing they can do is sell resources. And then with a caveat - only in the presence of Western technology and technology. They do not produce anything on their own, they do not have a full-fledged production, the maximum is processing. To be convinced of this, just look at the results of the attack by "the strongest army on Earth", on a small Ukraine, with a rather weak army!? Do you want me to show you real photos of the defeated columns of the Russians? Do you want me to show you a lot of videos where they surrender in platoons? Do you want me to show you the fields with a bunch of corpses of Russians whom Russia does not want to take? You know that in the 7 days of the war against Ukraine, the "strongest army in the world" lost more than 2 wars in Ichkeria! Today, the losses of Russia in 7 days of the war against Ukraine are 50% of the losses of the USSR in Afghanistan in 10 years! Stop listening to fakes about "the greatness of Russia", "powerful Russian economy" and "unparalleled weapons", these are all fairy tales for a crazy old man in a bunker ...

I am speechless reading every line that comes from a Ukrainian person who is living an unjust war for Putin. Because I think that it is not the same desire of all the inhabitants of Russia. Which will be a few Russians who support him. I am moved...Ukraine is very brave, it has its president Zelensky who has become a hero in the way he is defending his country.
From social media we see the Ukraine-Russia war totally unfair outside of our modern times.
All aggressions in other countries must also stop: Israel, Palestine, Yemen, Afghanistan among others.

My sincere support for your country, Ukraine, and may evil go away and peace reign.
We need to ask for world peace.

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Quote from: dbc23 on March 04, 2022, 02:00:33 PM

Russia economy hasn't been tampered with so far. They don't have any casualties except for the ones that died while invading Ukraine. So Russians stand a good chance of improving their economy after the war since they are independent to a very large extent they can actually boost their economy through subordinate countries through importation and international deals with them neglecting EU and NATO

Russia is indeed a big country that is not too dependent on the US and NATO, so with this war Russia will not experience too bad an economic impact.
Because Russia still has some cooperation with some countries that still support Russia, so I believe the Russian economy will still thrive after
the war is over. But it's not really an economic problem to worry about from this war, but the number of victims will continue to grow if the war is
not stopped immediately. I hope the two countries can make peace soon, because it is very scary quite a lot of civilians who become victims.

Though it is big country the isolation from the rest of the world will surely make a big change in the economic conditions of the country. Even if it manages to recover, it won't happen in the short. Peace is much needed for now, because the situation seems to go out of control as nuclear station is being attacked. There is no big damage and everyone fear this shouldn't happen same as the Chernobyl.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

The economy of Ukraine is in ruins and the number of refugees exceeded 1 million(it will grow even further).
Even if Russia occupied Ukraine,there's going to be a gorilla war.Who is going to invest and build businesses in a country,that is ruined by a war and the people are trying to escape?
Ukraine will become a huge financial burden for Russia.Putin knows that and he doesn't want to conquer Ukraine.He wants to establish a puppet government and a guarantee that Ukraine will never become a member of NATO.
The economy of Russia cannot grow under severe western sanctions.

"Guerilla war" not gorilla lol. And his idea is not to put puppet leader there, his idea is to create a buffer zone even if Ukraine is accepted to EU. Meaning if he gets those first two lands, which he invaded fairly easily, that means there will be a buffer zone. He could put all the military a bit further up thanks to those lands, make those lands a "great" place to live, and basically use those places as a buffer zone that would have military AND civilians so that if Europe ever wants to attack, they will first need to kill those people and fight those armies. Meanwhile Russia could get ready for anything else, like nukes.

So, all of this is actually for that two pieces of land, and he doesn't care about the rest, he does attack the rest, but just to say "we will back down to just those two cities".

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens?

Russia's goal of taking over Ukraine is so that they don't become friends with the US, we all know that Russia and the US have had a cold war all this time. i still believe that Russia will not be able to take over Ukraine ^{(because Ukraine has fighters who are ready to protect their country)}, urging after urging hopefully can make the war stop so that Ukrainian citizens who fled abroad can return to their country and can return to their activities as before.

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Russia economy hasn't been tampered with so far. They don't have any casualties except for the ones that died while invading Ukraine. So Russians stand a good chance of improving their economy after the war since they are independent to a very large extent they can actually boost their economy through subordinate countries through importation and international deals with them neglecting EU and NATO

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That's really funny. Just double verify the news man, Russia is already cut off from the SWIFT, there are long waits for the Russians to get cash money from machines and banks. They have their currency devalued in the international market and most importantly they are loosing money like hell everyday on their war acts.

Russia is now segregated badly as ground X continent. They gonna suffer. Many businesses will pull back from their land and they will see economic downturn soon.

After war, they will be bankrupt continent with no man's land.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Russia and Ukraine's economies will be weakened after the war and billions of dollars will be required for reconstruction and all this will take years to happen. The war is still on and even though everyone expects Russia to win but we can't really tell how long it will take or Russia's plan on Ukraine.

For now it seems regime change is a priority rather than economic integration.

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Their economy has fallen badly, and reviving an economy that has fallen this bad is usually a really difficult thing.
But, I am not trying to say that this is not possible, yes it can be possible, but it’s going to require a lot of hard work to be able to revive this economy that has fallen to this extent.

And another thing you have to know again is that they have marred their relationship with so many other countries , and I don’t think they will be able to build their economy alone. They will have to be steady exporting and be in good relationship with other countries, that’s what will help them build their economy back up.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 03, 2022, 11:17:46 PM

There is some chance that the sanctions and embargoes may bring something positive to Russia. First of all Putin's oligarchs are being investigated in Western nations over their dirty money that is stashed on various tax havens. It makes it difficult for them to move money from Russia to countries like the United Kingdom or France. In the end, they will be forced to spend all that money in Russia itself. And that will be in some way beneficial for the ordinary citizens of Russia as they will get back some of the money that has been stolen from them.

Without a doubt the US and their allies are trying to isolate Russia, however there is a problem with all of those sanctions, while it is obvious they are going to have a negative effect on the economy of Russia, once the Russian government deals with it, the previous sanctions lose their power and future sanctions will not be as effective, so the chances that something like that is going to be able to stop Putin are very low, and it would not be long until Ukraine is completely annexed by them.

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Russia is a country that has strong economic power and is not too dependent on debt and other countries, I believe the negative impact of the invasion of Ukraine has been calculated accurately so that there will be no serious economic impact for Russia, especially Russia has strong allies and almost all Russia's neighbors will support Russia's policies.

I’m sorry, can you mention which countries are those? Maybe China? If Russia has planned themselves before the invasion into Ukraine, and you think that they are prepared for this, why then has there been such an economy meltdown in their country? If they were prepared and not too dependent on other countries as you have said that they are, then their economy would have been very much stable by now even after the sanctions from EU and the US.

So, I am sorry to say that I totally disagree with you. And for them to recover after this is going to be a really difficult thing to do.

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The war will cause more or less losses in the country to a certain extent. After the war, Russia's economy will not grow much, and it can only slowly restore the economy.
Every time a war breaks out, buildings and houses will be damaged, and the country will choose to repair these damaged buildings first.
War reduces the development of a country's economy. What's more, the war will bring the country to ruin.

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The economy should not grow rapidly. NATO EU countries have sanctioned Russia's import and export trade, and many Russian brand companies in other countries have been frozen and restricted. Russia's economy has been extremely poor and has been severely hit.

I haven't heard that the Russian economy is bad, and I think Russia is a country that doesn't really depend on the US and EU, they are a productive country and Russia's investment is with the surrounding countries so that the impact of Russia's invasion of Ukraine has not had a bad impact on the economy, of course Russia has learned from it. embargoed countries such as North Korea, Cuba or others.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 03, 2022, 11:17:46 PM

There is some chance that the sanctions and embargoes may bring something positive to Russia. First of all Putin's oligarchs are being investigated in Western nations over their dirty money that is stashed on various tax havens. It makes it difficult for them to move money from Russia to countries like the United Kingdom or France. In the end, they will be forced to spend all that money in Russia itself. And that will be in some way beneficial for the ordinary citizens of Russia as they will get back some of the money that has been stolen from them.

At first, Russian soldiers did not shoot at the civilian population of Ukraine. At the same time, Russian prisoners were also treated well in Ukraine, who, in fact, became victims of Putin's propaganda that there are only Nazis and fascists in Ukraine now. However, having met stiff resistance from the entire Ukrainian people, the Putin regime is using the same method that was previously used in the war with Chechnya. They ordered to shoot at the civilian population of Ukraine, seeking to provoke the anger of the Ukrainians and cruelty towards the captured Russians, so that the Russians would not try to surrender. Therefore, now civilians are massively dying in Ukraine. But in Russia itself there is propaganda that Ukraine is being liberated from neo-Nazis.
Now the civilized world is seizing the property of Russian oligarchs so that these funds can then be used to restore Ukraine. And rightly so, but the measures taken to stop the war are not enough yet.

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Too many major powers have sanctioned the Russian economy, restricted Russian-related funds within their own borders or opposed the use of Russian exports, but Russia's relationship with NATO will not ease. The war with Ukraine is NATO's threat to Russia.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

If Russia can win and take control of Ukraine they will still be in trouble in the economy because of the huge cost of war they have spent it is very likely that they will become a bankrupt country, especially no matter how much resources in Ukraine, Russia will not get any benefit if it continues to have leaders who only think about war and strengthen weapons rather than build their economy.
You can see Singapore small countries with less resource but very stable on economy because have good leadership to built their economy.

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Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Succeed? - there is no such a thing when Russia has already lost much more than Ukraine. Just forget the word ,,succeed'' when Russian soldiers are killing children and violate the rules of war.this is not conquest but genocide.

Those Russian soldiers completely ignored and violated the rules of war,
it's really sad when civilians who have nothing to do with this war are also targeted for them,
moreover even small children are victims and I hope they get heavy sanctions for these actions

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There is some chance that the sanctions and embargoes may bring something positive to Russia. First of all Putin's oligarchs are being investigated in Western nations over their dirty money that is stashed on various tax havens. It makes it difficult for them to move money from Russia to countries like the United Kingdom or France. In the end, they will be forced to spend all that money in Russia itself. And that will be in some way beneficial for the ordinary citizens of Russia as they will get back some of the money that has been stolen from them.

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Quote from: MCVXYZ on March 03, 2022, 04:59:51 PM

Quote from: gantez on March 01, 2022, 11:43:38 AM

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?

Succeed? - there is no such a thing when Russia has already lost much more than Ukraine. Just forget the word ,,succeed'' when Russian soldiers are killing children and violate the rules of war.this is not conquest but genocide.

This is the sad reality as of this moment on yet there were no exemptions and it is truly a genocide thing.Speaking of success about economy then it would be still questionable because we dont know if the impression
of other countries would be still that good or would be looking bad and we dont even know if those sanctions would be temporary or would really be that permanent which all would be still questionable.

No one really knows on what would happen next to Russia after this war would be over.For now lets just hope that it would be stopped yet lots of innocent people do really suffers on this war.

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