Topic: What if Russia economy grows higher after the war - page 5. (Read 667 times)

Russia's economy grows after the war? What a joke. How exactly is it supposed to do this? Russia's economy is heavily dependent on international collaboration: trading with other countries, importing and exporting goods. Many big companies have already said they'll have nothing to do with Russia. Apple, Nike, Netflix (here), Intel, AMD and TSMC (here) are restricting their goods and services in Russia. Sanctions are freezing Russia's reserves, hitting ruble and major companies. Their economy is collapsing, and it will take decades to work on an independent economy that can somehow function in the contemporary world, if that's even possible. And that not to mention that Russia's economy wasn't doing great even before all these sanctions and restrictions, before the war.
As for Ukraine, while it's undoubtedly taking a huge economic hit because in many places people can't even work and because of the war, billions of dollars of support are arriving from the West, so they'll help Ukraine pull through the war, and then Ukrainians are very willing to do everything they can to help each other and their country, rebuilding it after it's over.

I think there are donations going on for both countries so they might likely have reserve after the war to fall back to. But Russians economy might still experience a little set back because i am sure Nato and EU has plans for rebuilding destroyed assets in Ukraine after the war

Economies take a huge hit during war because they make them unstable. Russia's economy will still take a big hit either way regardless of the outcome in Ukraine.

This being said, a lot of Russia's economy is raw materials so if they do win the war and also keep tensions low in their own country then they might see some sort of growth (especially since Ukraine has better crop growing soil than Russia) - it's also looking less and less likely Russia would win though too, so far I've heard reports of: Ukrainian farmers stealing Russian hardware with tractors, Russians surrendering and even Russians sabotaging their own equipment to save their lives before going into battle (eg the 40 mile long traffic jam being thought to have been caused by punctured oil tanks).

If they win that is and they're going to be spending more after the war because they have to secure the victory and at the same time make sure that things won't get awry with their new territory. Also, I doubt that they will grow in economy after this war, they're the war instigator so they're going to be putting resources and those resources will cost them money and war is a big resource guzzler no matter who the victor is.

I don't know what Putin's been thinking but I think their only goal is to achieve Ukraine without any trouble yet it's not that easy since they (Ukraine) were influenced by the west or NATO. It's all about their history about the Soviet Union that's why Putin's so desperate to take Ukraine.

Anyway, with all of these sanctions almost everywhere how could someone think Russia's economy would grow if most of the country has been cutting them off? Right now, China is the only one that I think has been normally trading with them but that's it – it has nothing to do with their economy since it will take a long time for them to recover after the war.

Even if you imagine the most stupid scenario where Russia annexes all of Ukraine tomorrow, the damage from sanctions is many times greater than the total worth of Ukraine's resources. Also raw resources aren't worth that much, look at Japan that has nothing and yet it's one of the richest countries in the world.

How would Russia rise for this situation? Sanctions for them is almost everywhere and they cannot accelarate their economy at this point even their currency has many limits in terms of transacting it so I don't think they will benefit on this and they became more powerful. What I think here is maybe Russia will lose a little bit power since some countries are been controlled by US and there are other more will join on NATO which is feared by Russia to happen.

Yes this the point because if they get success in that then every other thing will be in their care including the resources and economic value of Ukraine.


No Russia may not release that kind of dangerous weapon yet and not on Ukraine. Nuclear weapon are use is being monitored by US and I think if they use that, it might cause US to come into the war.

We all know that Russia is most concerned about power and not economic like that, maybe Russia will move more to dominate more countries with the lies of no-NATO-expansion. I just wish the EU and US can act as fast as possible, Ukraine is not part of NATO but if Russia conquer Ukraine, that could lead to another moves to dominate another country or making modern USSR. Best if Russia do not conquer Ukraine. But if we think of it, Ukraine is a country, at least, it will add to Russia benefits if conquered.

An unlikely scenario, since this war does not really increase the resources and economy of Putin's Russia significantly. What is certain is that he will now be considered an aggressive leader of a nuclear power willing to implement military solutions based on conquering free countries -would you trade with this country if you were a Western democracy?

My view, everyone's economy will be impacted negatively, there is no winner.

This is unlikely, we need to remember that even during the cold war the USSR which included Ukraine and many other countries was roughly the tenth economy around the world, this means that while the USSR had without a doubt the highest war potential after the US it was never really a threat economically, and I do not think this has changed or will change after the war, and a very simple way to verify this is by doing the next experiment, how many products you have in your household that were made at Russia? And most of the time the answer to that question is zero if you live outside of Russia.

 The deal is, when you have a nation full of resources, it is really not that easy to make different results than this anyway. I mean think about it, we are talking abour Russia here, obviously they are finanically and economically strong. Doesn't mean that they could never drop neither, they could drop very badly and could become very poor. The difference is that, do not imagine them like you consider venezuela, argentian, turkey or any other economically screwed nation. Russia is not like that, even with all those sanctions, they are still doing fine, why? Because they can literally live all by themselves and still not be as bad as those nations, being independent from outside of your nation is a power.

 This is horrible of course, if 1 dollar became 500+ ruble overnight because of this, Putin would have been forced to stop the war and go back, but now that it didn't, he is probably considering it as a great thing. All nations closed their air to flights from russia, all nations are putting sanctions, they are out of swift as well and here they are, still doing fine. I am not saying that they should keep getting sanctions, because thats not getting any better. On the other hand if you respond in military fashion then they have nuclear as well and mad men putin would probably use it and kill us all. All in all I would suggest that we should try to avoid everything.

Not exactly the future we hope to see but then they are also superpower which is posible. Russia will have to produce a lot of things like China to accomplish big to become the new hegemony and not just depend on their gas and oil exports.

And this is when Germany will start to grow some balls to join Putin and invade his neighbors too. The bigger they conquer the bigger their ecoomy as well. But this is if they are not shooting their Nuclear bombs.

I think the above partly summarizes russia's ambitions with ukraine.

If russia can expand outward they can project their military force further throughout europe.

Over the long term, what this means is some european nations could come to fear russia more than they fear the european union. Some may abandon the EU to ally with russia instead as they feel the winds of influence and power change.

We may be witnessing the initial stages of this shift with syria and others becoming allies of russia. It is possible that in the future, russia will dethrone the european union to become the dominant power in europe. If that indeed has not already happened.

You're right it will, but how long will that take is the question.  They will have to rebuild and build up and I suspect that will take some time. They are putting on a lot of damage to their economy now and their currency.  Even if they successfully take over Ukraine, that won't change much in my mind in regards to the European Union and NATO.  Russia has been viewed as a threat to much of the world and that will surely only get worse.  Then there's a chance they remain much more isolated with sanctions for some time. 

Will be interesting to see how this all plays out.

We buy steel-reinforced umbrellas because pigs will fly all around.
We start sending blankets and kotatsu to hell for the poor devils that are freezing to death.
Pet stores will start selling shampoo not only for dogs but for frogs.
Chicken milk will be a hit in every store and counry.
The week will have 8 Sundays.

And much more.
It will be a pretty interesting time to live in, too bad I haven't found yet the gateway to Reverso World where all this shit is going to happen.

Btw:

the what?

there is a possibility  Russia will feel high and be more courageous towards America, but I'm not sure economiy Russia will improve in a short time by seeing its currency has crumbled to zero maybe
relations with Nato and the EU will not be harmonious anymore until the future , will always keep the distance so that there is no friction like now

What will happen if at the end Russia succeed in her conquest against Ukraine and take over the economy of Ukraine. That will extend the economic power of Russia no doubt and that will make Russia more powerful.

How will EU and NATO countries relate with Russia if that happens ?