What if there is no crypto bull run for next 10 years ?

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Quote from: krishnaverma on October 20, 2023, 10:28:50 AM

One thing I did not understand is that why will altcoins not be able to survive when there is less demand for them. Do they have some fixed monthly costs to operate? If not, whatever valuation is there, they can always survive with it.

What people mean by saying "not surviving" is not necessarily that they will disappear completely, but that their price will drop massively and will not recover. And when there's no demand, the centralised exchanges start delisting low-volume coins, and that's when an altcoin is considered to be dead.
But most tokens nowadays are created on networks like ETH, so they'll remain functional even if the projects are dead.

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It is difficult for us to predict what would have happened. I expect the price growth would have been slow and stable. This tech would have been full of tech savy people within a small group. New ideas like AI, Web3 would have been developed though big tech companies which eventually led to a loss of interest over previous technologies. The whole altcoin industry wouldn't exist.

The industry would stay alive, and the adoption level would just slow down because most people these days join the industry for the profits they expect to get from their investments, and if they see that there isn't much growth in the market, they wouldn't be interested and will probably look for other ways of making investments and earning money because the world wouldn't stop moving and humankind will keep looking for ways for their own survival for sure.

If we talk about altcoins, I think the top ones will stay, others that don't have strong fundamentals might not be able to survive if there aren't a lot of investors in the market and altcoins are basically dependent on Bitcoin when it comes to their price going up and down and if there won't be much movement in Bitcoin, there wouldn't be much in altcoins as well and most of them might die off.

One thing I did not understand is that why will altcoins not be able to survive when there is less demand for them. Do they have some fixed monthly costs to operate? If not, whatever valuation is there, they can always survive with it.

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Quote from: Sophokles on October 11, 2023, 04:06:42 PM

It is difficult for us to predict what would have happened. I expect the price growth would have been slow and stable. This tech would have been full of tech savy people within a small group. New ideas like AI, Web3 would have been developed though big tech companies which eventually led to a loss of interest over previous technologies. The whole altcoin industry wouldn't exist.

The industry would stay alive, and the adoption level would just slow down because most people these days join the industry for the profits they expect to get from their investments, and if they see that there isn't much growth in the market, they wouldn't be interested and will probably look for other ways of making investments and earning money because the world wouldn't stop moving and humankind will keep looking for ways for their own survival for sure.

If we talk about altcoins, I think the top ones will stay, others that don't have strong fundamentals might not be able to survive if there aren't a lot of investors in the market and altcoins are basically dependent on Bitcoin when it comes to their price going up and down and if there won't be much movement in Bitcoin, there wouldn't be much in altcoins as well and most of them might die off.

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Its quite ironic that if BTC price keeps going sideways in any way its volatility is reduced and we will see a greater utility from that known price. Not everyone benefits from a price changing rapidly, its volatile and equates to an unknown value for business to plan with. If you say what if nothing much happens, something happens anyway which is more business use from a steady price making things easier for people.
If we say we have flat BTC for a long time ironically it is bullish, contradictory as that might be Tongue

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Having the next 10 years without a possible bull run will only give us the chance to accumulate Bitcoin for the long term, because ordinary when you want to subscribe to Bitcoin long-long-term investment you will have to do that with a cycle time frame from about 5-10 years to be able to accumulate enough bitcoin within that time frame, although between that time space you may have witnessed Bitcoin halving cycle twice which also present you the opportunity to DCA twice by taking profits with your already started Bitcoin.

So it becomes a win-win situation for the holder because os almost impossible not to have a bull run after halving, so just hold as you DCA and accumulate along the line.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2023, 10:21:53 PM

What if there is no crypto bull run for next 10 years ? Will you give up all your investments and get out of crypto because of this ? Or do you you have even more broader horizon and can wait longer to see the next bull run ?

Personally, I am very much positive with bitcoin future but we should also be prepared for all situations. Nothing can be guarantee in present times and we must also be prepared for worst situations.

Everyone has different reasons why they invest in Bitcoin, but if your goal is to get rich from Bitcoin, you have to leave Bitcoin, it won't come to you in a short time. People who really have a goal of using Bitcoin as a transaction tool, of course, will not feel there is a problem with Bitcoin at any price because their goal is not profit, as well as those who really want to invest long term in Bitcoin, they will definitely survive on bitcoin forever, I will not abandon bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, I am grateful to have found them so far, there is no reason for me to abandon bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

Bitcoin could possibly make you rich if you trust and also, if you are patient enough to wait for the perfect timing. Those who think about earning in a short period of time will lose confidence and give up. In fact, many people have already been in this situation and they blame the market's volatility. If we assume that there is no bull run in 10 years, I know many get disappointed especially for impatient people but for long-term holders, I don't think it is a problem. As I've said, investing in Bitcoin needs trust and patience as this is the only way to work.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2023, 10:21:53 PM

What if there is no crypto bull run for next 10 years ? Will you give up all your investments and get out of crypto because of this ? Or do you you have even more broader horizon and can wait longer to see the next bull run ?

Personally, I am very much positive with bitcoin future but we should also be prepared for all situations. Nothing can be guarantee in present times and we must also be prepared for worst situations.

Everyone has different reasons why they invest in Bitcoin, but if your goal is to get rich from Bitcoin, you have to leave Bitcoin, it won't come to you in a short time. People who really have a goal of using Bitcoin as a transaction tool, of course, will not feel there is a problem with Bitcoin at any price because their goal is not profit, as well as those who really want to invest long term in Bitcoin, they will definitely survive on bitcoin forever, I will not abandon bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, I am grateful to have found them so far, there is no reason for me to abandon bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2023, 10:21:53 PM

What if there is no crypto bull run for next 10 years ? Will you give up all your investments and get out of crypto because of this ? Or do you you have even more broader horizon and can wait longer to see the next bull run ?

Personally, I am very much positive with bitcoin future but we should also be prepared for all situations. Nothing can be guarantee in present times and we must also be prepared for worst situations.

The person that doesn't believe in bitcoin investment will give up according to what I have seeing in cryptocurrency business, so I believe that cryptocurrency investment is a mind and when you have the mindset to invest in cryptocurrency its when you can have the full encouragement to invest in cryptocurrency as well, because not everyone will have the believe that definitely bitcoin will surely increase whenever you invest in him, bitcoin investment is good but it depends on your intentions over the investment.

Not only just that having that mindset or goals but also it would really be a test of patience on which this is also that mainly been tested considering that not all the time that the price would really be just simply moving up.
This is why if you dont really have that kind of patience then crypto investment isnt for you but if you could really be able to bare up on waiting for years specially when you are holding then it would really be just fine.
I do agree with those words above that 4 year cycle isnt something that could really be that removed in peoples mind yet we've been already to witness and experience different bull run moments and market
cycles on which it is really just that normal that people will really be expecting the same on upcoming years.

Its true that if ever the price wont really be having that bull run on next 4 years or upcoming bull run on next year or 2025 then there's something wrong within this market
on which people had already diverted its attention into. This is why it is really just that hard to tell on what would gonna happen in the future because there's no way that we could be able to
determine about the demand level and recognition that we could have on this market specially with Bitcoin.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2023, 10:21:53 PM

What if there is no crypto bull run for next 10 years ? Will you give up all your investments and get out of crypto because of this ? Or do you you have even more broader horizon and can wait longer to see the next bull run ?

Personally, I am very much positive with bitcoin future but we should also be prepared for all situations. Nothing can be guarantee in present times and we must also be prepared for worst situations.

The person that doesn't believe in bitcoin investment will give up according to what I have seeing in cryptocurrency business, so I believe that cryptocurrency investment is a mind and when you have the mindset to invest in cryptocurrency its when you can have the full encouragement to invest in cryptocurrency as well, because not everyone will have the believe that definitely bitcoin will surely increase whenever you invest in him, bitcoin investment is good but it depends on your intentions over the investment.

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Quote from: Falconer on September 21, 2023, 08:34:10 AM

If in the next 10 years the price of the crypto you are referring to does not move, then I think you should leave the crypto outside your portfolio. But I don't expect that to happen to bitcoin, but it could probably happen to most altcoins.

This is a metaphor we should embrace: if all cryptocurrencies, including Bitcoin, were to go through their seasons, I believe everyone would begin to shift their focus to BTC and alternative coins around the 4th or 5th year. This is reasonable, considering that a majority of people enter the crypto industry with the aim of making a profit, and only a few with the intent of utility.

This trend is clearly reflected in the proliferation of cryptocurrency exchanges that position crypto as money-making assets. Furthermore, mainstream media often characterizes crypto as speculative assets, with news primarily serving as indicators of crypto's predictions based on past occurrences.

It's only natural; a decade is a considerable length of time, and crypto may start to witness a significant decline in user adoption.

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Quote from: Sophokles on October 18, 2023, 01:46:46 PM

Quote from: krishnaverma on October 18, 2023, 12:54:53 PM

Quote from: Sophokles on October 11, 2023, 04:06:42 PM

It is difficult for us to predict what would have happened. I expect the price growth would have been slow and stable. This tech would have been full of tech savy people within a small group. New ideas like AI, Web3 would have been developed though big tech companies which eventually led to a loss of interest over previous technologies. The whole altcoin industry wouldn't exist.

There was AI everywhere few months back and everyone was predicting that it will take over everything. But the impact has not been that huge till now. Like, the webmasters who used AI content on their blogs got punished by Google a d they are returning back to same old original content to survive. So, we still have to see the real impact of AI. It might not be as big as what some people assumed it to be.

May be or may not, who knows! AI technology is still new and it has a lot of room to grow. It's too early to make any judgments about AI's future. The impact might not be high but the use case is increasing. I don't think people are using AI only for copywriting. Automation is everywhere and even google is developing its own AI called Brad. Now we can use AI to fix an appointment, manage our events, do financial management and many other things. This is the future of our society and we can not ignore it.

indeed the future still have many opportunities for AI until real use case that can be utilised by the general masses released from those AI crypto companies then we won't see any significant change towards the market themselves and neither we will see any impact from the AI toward the market.
its all still unclear how the next bullrun narrative will be because after all, every bullrun needs narrative for it to grow to such extent.
its not because out of nowhere the market will rise, but if AI could really make breakthrough in the market then i'm fine with it.

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Quote from: Quidat on October 18, 2023, 02:16:14 PM

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that investors are really that focusing into. We do know that if theres something odd happening then pretty sure that there are things thats happening behind.
If crypto market isnt really that getting that 4 year cycle but instead it did make out that 10 year cycle then for sure tons of investors would really be
losing their interest on this market and might compeltely be leaving out this place for good.

The once every 4 years cycle will still get the main focus of crypto users and it will never be quiet.
The most anticipated moment that continues to reach the latest ATH after the Cycle occurs.

Of the 3 cycles that have been done, of course, the 4th cycle will be the cycle of determining where Bitcoin will go.
The interest of crypto users will be seen at the beginning of the cycle and it will grow more investors and the crypto market volume will be higher.

If you look at the increase in the last 10 years, of course, the increase is extraordinary, in contrast to 10 years ago when Bitcoin was still not widely known and the price was still very cheap.
Looking at the future 10 years from now, it will be a historical moment that might be repeated or at least better than today.

Regulations or some government rules will affect crypto in the future and we know the government will not fully support bitcoin.
But I believe when the new ATH is reached, there will be a great boom in the price of Bitcoin and other cryptos.

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Quote from: Sophokles on October 18, 2023, 01:46:46 PM

Quote from: krishnaverma on October 18, 2023, 12:54:53 PM

Quote from: Sophokles on October 11, 2023, 04:06:42 PM

It is difficult for us to predict what would have happened. I expect the price growth would have been slow and stable. This tech would have been full of tech savy people within a small group. New ideas like AI, Web3 would have been developed though big tech companies which eventually led to a loss of interest over previous technologies. The whole altcoin industry wouldn't exist.

There was AI everywhere few months back and everyone was predicting that it will take over everything. But the impact has not been that huge till now. Like, the webmasters who used AI content on their blogs got punished by Google a d they are returning back to same old original content to survive. So, we still have to see the real impact of AI. It might not be as big as what some people assumed it to be.

May be or may not, who knows! AI technology is still new and it has a lot of room to grow. It's too early to make any judgments about AI's future. The impact might not be high but the use case is increasing. I don't think people are using AI only for copywriting. Automation is everywhere and even google is developing its own AI called Brad. Now we can use AI to fix an appointment, manage our events, do financial management and many other things. This is the future of our society and we can not ignore it.

Agree on what you had said on which progress and innovation isnt something that could be avoided or something that inevitable when it comes to progress and advancement on which we are really not going backward in time but rather it would really be going forward. Application would really be that getting more on different key areas on which this isnt shocking anymore. It is really just that
there are some individuals who doesnt really like for too much advancement due to some doubts about for some things that will be mainly affected.

Going back into the topic on which talking about having no potential bull run on next 10 years? If that happens then its safe to assume that there might be some other places
that investors are really that focusing into. We do know that if theres something odd happening then pretty sure that there are things thats happening behind.
If crypto market isnt really that getting that 4 year cycle but instead it did make out that 10 year cycle then for sure tons of investors would really be
losing their interest on this market and might compeltely be leaving out this place for good.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on October 18, 2023, 12:54:53 PM

Quote from: Sophokles on October 11, 2023, 04:06:42 PM

It is difficult for us to predict what would have happened. I expect the price growth would have been slow and stable. This tech would have been full of tech savy people within a small group. New ideas like AI, Web3 would have been developed though big tech companies which eventually led to a loss of interest over previous technologies. The whole altcoin industry wouldn't exist.

There was AI everywhere few months back and everyone was predicting that it will take over everything. But the impact has not been that huge till now. Like, the webmasters who used AI content on their blogs got punished by Google a d they are returning back to same old original content to survive. So, we still have to see the real impact of AI. It might not be as big as what some people assumed it to be.

May be or may not, who knows! AI technology is still new and it has a lot of room to grow. It's too early to make any judgments about AI's future. The impact might not be high but the use case is increasing. I don't think people are using AI only for copywriting. Automation is everywhere and even google is developing its own AI called Brad. Now we can use AI to fix an appointment, manage our events, do financial management and many other things. This is the future of our society and we can not ignore it.

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Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2023, 10:21:53 PM

What if there is no crypto bull run for next 10 years ? Will you give up all your investments and get out of crypto because of this ? Or do you you have even more broader horizon and can wait longer to see the next bull run ?

Personally, I am very much positive with bitcoin future but we should also be prepared for all situations. Nothing can be guarantee in present times and we must also be prepared for worst situations.

why should i leave when that happens? i am ready for all possibilities, even when all countries in the world prohibit the use of bitcoin, i am also ready. there is no reason for me to back down when bitcoin experiences obstacles in its development.

i mean if someone pulls back when there is no bull run or the price is declining, it means they are investing only to make a profit. there's nothing wrong with that, it's normal in investing, but i'm not that kind of person. i bought bitcoin because i knew how much potential it had in the future and my interest in the various features offered by bitcoin, such as decentralization, community, etc., was what made me stay and continue investing in this asset.

i believe in the power of community and that's why i don't just invest in this coin to make a profit, but to keep it alive and growing in the future.

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Quote from: Sophokles on October 11, 2023, 04:06:42 PM

It is difficult for us to predict what would have happened. I expect the price growth would have been slow and stable. This tech would have been full of tech savy people within a small group. New ideas like AI, Web3 would have been developed though big tech companies which eventually led to a loss of interest over previous technologies. The whole altcoin industry wouldn't exist.

There was AI everywhere few months back and everyone was predicting that it will take over everything. But the impact has not been that huge till now. Like, the webmasters who used AI content on their blogs got punished by Google a d they are returning back to same old original content to survive. So, we still have to see the real impact of AI. It might not be as big as what some people assumed it to be.

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I will always have B plan. In general people should always have B and even C plans. 10 year bear market would mean Bitcoin price going down so hard. I would still be trading Bitcoin in these 10 years trying to profit. I would even buy and hold and try my chances right before halving(s) in those 10 years. I think only short term traders would suffer in 10 year bear market because they would lose important amount of money. I will always believe in Bitcoin.

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Quote from: bayu7adi on October 13, 2023, 01:46:48 PM

I'm not being hypocritical when I admit that I'm also seeking to profit from the accumulation of my Bitcoin purchases. While I do frequently use Bitcoin for transactions, there's nothing wrong with aiming to benefit from it as well. We can generate extra income from these profits,

I believe that what the majority of Bitcoin investors seek is to make an extra income through Bitcoin, while some billionaire investors too (like whales) are seeking to make a significant profit from their investment. So, if in the next 10 years there's no bull, then it will be a very big disappointment to many investors, especially those that have made plans to sell their holdings in a specific bull season that have been taken note of. Although this is just some form of thought, which I think is not possible in the crypto space, I don't believe that 10 years will really pass without experiencing a bull market. I don't think any such thing can occur in the history of Bitcoin.

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Quote from: ShowOff on October 13, 2023, 02:21:21 PM

Worrying is necessary, but don't overdo it. I still remember how sad I was when I remembered my early days of knowing Bitcoin but I failed to own it in large quantities. Such an opportunity will never happen again, but one important lesson from it is to take advantage of the opportunity instead of ignoring it because of doubt.

I know that feeling very well, but taking emotions aside, beating yourself over not taking advantage of an opportunity is silly. First of all, it has already happened and you can't turn back time, so you can only use that as a lesson for the future. Second of all, it's impossible to know the future, it was very possible that Bitcoin could turn out to be a failure. Everyone is master in retrospective trading, looking at the past charts and saying 'I should've done this'/'I should've done that', but making decisions in the present time is a whole different story.
Also, if everyone was hoarding from the start, Bitcoin would've never taken off.

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Quote from: Wiwo on October 13, 2023, 01:52:54 PM

Quote from: krishnaverma on August 27, 2023, 10:21:53 PM

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The uncertainty of when the next bull run will come is what make bitcoin investment a volatile one, and the main reasons why every bitcoin investors are advice to first build the knowledge needed first and knowing at the back of your mind that you should only hold an amount of bitcoin that you can afford to hold for long even though there is high tendency that Bitcoin will taste the bull market at most once every 5-year cycle in not more than once.

And there is some correction in the price in between that always gives investors the chance to take a position in the market and to come out with something useful in the form of using the DCA approach to shape up their investments.

Worrying is necessary, but don't overdo it. I still remember how sad I was when I remembered my early days of knowing Bitcoin but I failed to own it in large quantities. Such an opportunity will never happen again, but one important lesson from it is to take advantage of the opportunity instead of ignoring it because of doubt.

No one knows about the future for any asset even though we can make predictions and analysis, but then again when we don't have anything then I'm not sure what we need to doubt. Buy now and hold, bitcoin will provide returns worth it with the risk.

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