Topic: What Work Now May Not Work Tomorrow - page 3. (Read 1663 times)

Of course, and that's the real fact, in the sense that a strategy or pattern might help us in terms of improving or getting closer to winning, especially when we bet on types of sports games that have statistical data for analysis, but yes, however, as you said that this strategy will not have an effect in the long term, it will only help occasionally, especially when luck comes at the right time to complement the strategy you use to ensure victory.

However, in any type of game called gambling, it is still gambling which will always lead to one of two possibilities, namely winning or losing, meaning that no matter how good the strategy you have, there will always be times for you to experience defeat at times. certain things, and I think that's natural because after all gambling is a casino business that operates behind the "chance of winning" and it is clear that in any case the name of business definitely prioritizes profit, and the casino is a loss for the gamblers as a profit for them, and this is the reason why various actions being impulsive or aggressive or excessive is always prohibited, because there will be no certainty in activities that depend on luck.

It's impossible due to the house edge. If patterns in gambling existed, they would be discovered sooner or later by one or another gambler (or even by the AI, as you said), who would share his discovery with the rest of gambling community, so everyone would be reproducing the same pattern and making continuous and certain profit in a frequently basis. As consequence, casinos would start losing money on long run, unable to maintain their businesses alive.

If such patterns existed, they would completely ruin gambling's industry as we know today. It would mean the end of centralized casinos, forcing gamblers to bet only through P2P method, if they wished to continue practing the activity.

No pattern or strategy will work in the long run because afterall, you also have already realized that the house edge will be in play. Therefore, whatever pattern you have it only works for a few moments, even if in thefuture you use the same  pattern and then win. But the truth is that you will not be able to get the sameamount of winnings as before. Therefore,the reason about gambling is only about the game of luck, because as you said, that the house edge is played and thatmakes it difficult for you to get a win in the same way,and you will only win when you are lucky.

I doubt that the analyzability of an event (sports events compared to bets on roulette, slots, etc.) somehow affects luck. You can guess the color of the field in roulette 10 times in a row or make a mistake in the first choice of a favorite in sports betting. It's random. But people continue to believe that they have more control in sports betting because of the mechanics of how the bet is made - they think that when choosing an outcome, they can find one where they have an advantage rather than the bookmaker.

I'm sure that you direct your ideas towards some types of games that get you closer to winning when you apply a strategy like maybe sports betting is one of them, but I don't think you should say that strategy can guarantee victory, that will only happen when both factors It really comes true, in the sense that when you apply the strategy and luck comes at that time. I understand that this type of sports betting is a combination of strategy and luck to confirm victory, but we must understand that however we can never know when luck will come.

Luck is much more influential than strategy, when you apply a strategy that you think is good but luck doesn't come at the right time then yes you will lose, while when you don't apply a strategy for example but luck comes unexpectedly then you will win at that time , I have proven it and maybe some of my friends here have also experienced it, where when I bet without applying any strategy in sports betting and deliberately chose a team that was much weaker statistically and in performance at that time but it turned out that the wrong team actually won. because the opposing team experienced something unexpected where there were two players there who experienced red cards which made the game unbalanced and indirectly caused the weak team that I chose to win the match. This means that strategy does more than just help increase opportunities, but luck is something that will ensure your victory, and it also doesn't mean that if you don't apply strategy then luck won't come.

When people newly get into anything they will always want to have that mindset that they can or want to do things in their own way believing they could make a pathway different from what has been existing. But all of that would depend on what they are venturing into, for gambling, it's a no way. If it's by just skills and patterns that makes gamblers earn wins with their gambling then a lot of gamblers would have taking gambling as a career just as people do with trading. But because luck plays a dominant role making patterns helpless with addition to the house edge.

When we meet people that are ardent about patterns working constantly for them, as an old gambler it's better not to get into arguments with their low flaw view, just let them go on with it, the outcome will teach them much better than you arguing and trying to convince them about it.

N/B: It's important to gamble with some strategy but it doesn't guarantee a constant success should in case it worked the first and second times of use. Just enjoy it while it lasts.

I think that it is either impossible to find patterns in gambling, or close to impossible. What worked today and yesterday will not work tomorrow. This is a complete coincidence. If any pattern could be deduced, then with the advent of Artificial Intelligence this pattern could be detected even more easily. After all, AI can figure out everything much faster than a human, even the smartest one. In general, I believe that you should play in a casino for fun only and not look for patterns that most likely do not exist there.

Gambling doesn't work with favouritism, it is pure luck, so if anyone is betting based on his or her favourite team, such person will continue to lose bet, I believe a good gambler takes cognizance of this fact, if you are a gambler the first thing you should do is to work with history, strength of both teams, the current players present in both teams, the current form and league position of the teams involved, although sometime with all this mentioned anythimg can still happen thats why no matter how good we are in predictions, the outcome of our bet can be ascertain in the early satge of the match.
Good forecasters don't bet on their favourite teams, they do this to lessen emotional attachment because they understand once you bet on the football club that you are supporting you will definitely want them to win and as such you may lose thats why it is advisable to avoid favouritism and focus mainly on the present days reality, this kind of idea of betting on favourite teams has never occured to me and I can never work with such idea.

That's right.
There are no patterns. Even the known martingale in the past is not being talked about anymore. What most gamblers do now is rely on their chances.
It's not simple but I think the only key to winning is how we can control ourselves if ever a big win comes. Don't gamble again for a long time, that's one of the keys to preventing them from taking back what you have won.
In casino games there's no such thing as strategy, it's all about discipline. There will always be the urge to try more but that's the path to chaos and we are just going to regret it in the future.

Funny enough we all want to have a working pattern but on the other hand, it’s not always easy and most times I just gamble while hoping for my luck to shine on me .
Gambling is a game that no one, I mean absolutely no one can be 100 percent sure of their predictions and I also agree with op that, a particular pattern might be very effective Today and tomorrow it seems same pattern or technique might no longer be valid and I think that’s a soft reminder that we should always analyze our games before jumping into playing them.

According to Order Out of Chaos, by  Ilya Prigogine (BTW, Nobel Price winner) and Isabelle Stengers patterns may arise from randomness but this is exclusively the case that applicable to non-equilibrium  systems with  the entropy production.

In the case described by OP (providing his  story is true)   it means that casino ( or similar entity) somehow  made an impact on the game his friend was involved.

Funny thing is that casino may not be even knowing about their impact. For instance,  entropy influencing roulette may be produced by their air conditioning equipment  

I often came across advertisements on the Internet, especially on various forums related to making money, such as lessons for winning in a casino or how to learn to beat a casino. I can guarantee that all these courses are scams to deceive naive people who foolishly think is possible. There are not and will not be any patterns or steps after going through which you can confidently say that you can win after doing this. Moreover, if the casino notices any patterned actions that could lead the player to win, it will not only change its programs but may also prohibit the withdrawal of winning money.

The author is absolutely right and this is a really true point that in games based on luck there is no need to look for patterns. Sometimes we are fooled by chance. You know, sometimes you can have a random winning sequence. Sometimes it can even reach several dozen times. It's possible. But losses will definitely follow. This is the amazing nature of randomness, although if you think about it, there is nothing surprising about it.
 Purely theoretically, it can be assumed that some brilliant mathematician can find a pattern in, for example, a pseudo-random algorithm for generating numbers. And using this pattern, make the right bet. But this is almost the level of the Lord God.

Well, at the latter part I kinda disagree with that. I've known people that are for real and they're full time gamblers. I don't know when they've started but I can see it with their lives that they are sustaining their lifestyle through gambling and they have no other source of income. What I like about them is that they're wise with their gambling profits, they are spreading it into investments after making such decent amount of money from gambling. Most of them are into sports betting and sometimes they do casino games.

But as you've said, I agree at the beginning about that we shouldn't be confident because it's not how it goes even if we seem to be stably winning. We win sometimes and you can't ignore the fact that we're going to lose eventually even if we've got the best strategy of all. There's no 100% guarantee that it is going to be working at all times. So, if you are wise enough and you have noticed that you're no longer winning your bets, you have to contemplate and stop.

No strategy is infallible, because if it were, we would certainly have many bankrupt casinos today.
What happens is that a certain strategy can really work in a specific condition, but it will only continue to be successful if the player knows how to manage his bankroll and mix this strategy with others.

The Martingale, for example, is valid up to a safe multiplier that you can afford.
If consecutive losses are very high, then it is necessary to give up this strategy and use, for a few rounds, another that is more conservative, until the bankroll is recovered.

Sometimes, no strategy will work, so it's time to change sites or even stop playing that day and start over from scratch another day.

Anyway... strategies help us, but they should not be seen as something miraculous or infallible.

If the same pattern will work all throughout the gambling years, I assumed all gambling platforms will end up in bankruptcy. Of course, gambling is a business so these casinos will see to it that long term patterns will definitely not work in gambling. The casinos have seen it coming, so they are already aware of it completely.

Gambling is all about luck and chances. It's better to think that way that if you are lucky you will win, if not then you will lose. Betting patterns do simply won't work for long.

Too many wins and too many losses have their own effects on the gambler and so  having any of these experience is usually not properly managed best by any of the gamblers and that's what brings about the extreme confidence in some gamblers, it's common amongst those who get lucky and happen to be having a series of win at a time, they are tempted to feel like they are doing better at that time and become to confident that they loose money trying to express their confidence. Except you gamble for only a day or two and you got lucky on those first trial, you must experience losses some them and it doesn't make you worse than a " professional gambler" .

There is no same patterns in gambling can be used repeatedly so that's why some strategies or patterns only run well for the particular time but after that usually those strategies cannot be used anymore and not working well and for an example i used to have been experience to using several martingale method to playing dice and it worked well but unfortunately only at certain times and when i curious want to using that method again to gamble then it ended with lost all of my money and indeed in gamble it's normal to using the particular patterns because sometimes it can boosted your self confidence to gamble but i think people don't expect more about the results because just like we know if we aren't lucky using any patterns while gamble could be useless because eventually you lost all of your money

Yes, we are the same in this matter, friend, or what I mean is that I am also one of the gamblers who really doesn't really believe in what is called a pattern that is often applied by some gamblers in their gambling sessions, where indirectly they usually put their trust and hope in it. the pattern they apply. However gambling can never be predicted 100% accurately and in terms of actual patterns or strategies it will only help you when you are involved in a type of sports betting where statistics are used as a benchmark, but if you apply it to random types of gambling such as games slots then it will have no effect, and also although in sports betting it can be useful but it does no more than help increase the odds and not ensure that you will win at the end of the session.

On the other hand, logically, as you said, if this pattern really has an effect then the bookie or casino will definitely go bankrupt, but in reality it's not like that, I'm not saying that you will never win, but what is certain is that when you win then that It doesn't mean that the pattern you apply is really effective, but it's nothing more than just luck coming at the right time, and you can try it again in the next session to prove whether the pattern is really useful or not.

I agree with you here. We shouldn't be too confident on our predictions if we eventually get to win a lot of times in a day. Of course there is a way our mindset works because it wont take long we will start feeling like we are very good on the bet we placed. One thing every gambling person should know is that there is nothing like a professional gambler there is no one who has being gambling for a long time who has only be winning without getting to lose even if its just ones.