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legendary
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January 10, 2016, 04:06:24 PM
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What, a SWAT team can do e.g. in a village, if they have to deal with e.g. 1000 armed villagers? Good luck to SWAT team... ha ha ha !!

I've got a better (though not novel) idea:

Cultivate a pool of operatives who can attack 'the villagers' effectively.  This can be done through austerity to mold the behaviors of domestic resources, through immigration of select groups, etc.  These are not high-investment operations, and the 'villagers' will be paying the costs anyway through taxes.

To make the jobs of said operatives easier, deter the 'villagers' abilities to counter these operatives.  Ideas for this include restricting means of defense by the villagers (esp, disarming them), protection the operatives from being deterred by law enforcement, sharing intel about where pools of wealth might be found, etc.

The goal is to get things pretty even so that when the dust settles, both the operatives and the 'villagers' are mostly destroyed.  At that point the mop-up operations will be doable with persistent personnel who are more carefully selected and generally of higher investment.

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January 10, 2016, 03:40:33 PM
People need to understand. Talking about gun rights isn't gun rights. It is freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech is great. Go ahead and speak freely. But what will you do when government agents get after you for the things you say?

Smiley

And what they can do? They will come with the ass and fart my balls? ha ha ha !!

There's thousands of people in prison for smoking a single joint. If they wanted to, they'd send a SWAT team over and send you to prison for what you say.

Your alternative is to have guns, and many friends who have guns, and are on call on a moment's notice, like you have to be on call for them.

Smiley

What, a SWAT team can do e.g. in a village, if they have to deal with e.g. 1000 armed villagers? Good luck to SWAT team... ha ha ha !!
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January 10, 2016, 11:55:59 AM



Gun Retailers Report Sales Soar After Obama Address…








President Barack Obama had hardly closed his emotional Tuesday address outlining executive actions on gun control before Santa Cruz Armory was bustling.

“Literally five minutes after he finished talking, my store was packed,” said Nolan Sands, general manager of the Scotts Valley firearms retailer. “The direct relation as to when he talks and us getting busy is impeccable.”

Tuesday’s surge comes after what Santa Cruz County gun dealers unanimously agree have been weeks of exceptional sales, mirroring a national uptick after the Dec. 2 San Bernardino attack.

In December, the FBI processed more than 3.3 million firearm sales background checks compared to about 2.3 million from December 2014. That differential, more a million with the exact numbers, is unprecedented in data going back to 1998. Exact numbers for Santa Cruz County gun sales were not immediately available, but Sands characterized his sales as having doubled since the San Bernardino attack.

Markley’s Indoor Range & Gun similarly has seen a “big uptick” in the past month, said Paul Cunningham, a salesperson at the storefront and shooting range outside Watsonville. But Cunningham said it has been policy, not safety, that has driven the customers he has seen.

“Obama is our No. 1 gun salesman,” Cunningham said. “He’s been the salesman of the year for the last eight years.”

Lee Ewing, owner of Pacific Military Arms and Service, an appointment-based gun retailer in Scotts Valley, said he has seen his sales go up “big time” in the same period.

“The first-time folks coming in and saying ‘I think I need to get a gun now.’ The next line out of their mouth is ‘because the government is not going to allow me to buy this later,’” Ewing said. “A huge percentage of it is driven by politicians.”


http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/article/NE/20160108/NEWS/160109728


legendary
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January 10, 2016, 10:39:37 AM
People need to understand. Talking about gun rights isn't gun rights. It is freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech is great. Go ahead and speak freely. But what will you do when government agents get after you for the things you say?

Smiley

And what they can do? They will come with the ass and fart my balls? ha ha ha !!

There's thousands of people in prison for smoking a single joint. If they wanted to, they'd send a SWAT team over and send you to prison for what you say.

Your alternative is to have guns, and many friends who have guns, and are on call on a moment's notice, like you have to be on call for them.

Smiley
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January 10, 2016, 03:12:51 AM
People need to understand. Talking about gun rights isn't gun rights. It is freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech is great. Go ahead and speak freely. But what will you do when government agents get after you for the things you say?

Smiley

And what they can do? They will come with the ass and fart my balls? ha ha ha !!
legendary
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January 09, 2016, 03:43:00 PM



American Sniper Chris Kyle's Wife Taya Challenges President Obama at CNN Gun Control Town Hall



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOQZj8QqGMw



legendary
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January 09, 2016, 02:17:58 PM
every person has right to defend himself. for that reason, it cant be restricted but we can limit rights to have a gun .

You can only illegally limit rights and turn them into privileges, because the right is to EFFECTIVE self-defense, guns, the current pinnacle of human self-defense invention, not ineffective, "bring knives, bats, fists, whistles, harsh language to a genocide" effective suicide.
There is a history to the right to have firearms in America, namely it is the large number of massacres of families during the expansion westward of from the East Coast, 1700-1880.  It's laughable to even think this could have occurred without individuals having accurate rifles and sidearms.  Most other modern countries do not have this history of struggle.

Schoolhouses, which say in 1850 were one room things with all ages of children up through high school, were not uncommonly attacked by roving bands of Indians.  And again, not uncommonly, the children would have rifles that they brought to the schoolhouse, and that they defended themselves with.

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January 09, 2016, 12:03:19 PM



Donald J Trump slams gun free zones in Vermont speech | Donald Trump latest news


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legendary
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January 08, 2016, 05:18:27 PM
People need to understand. Talking about gun rights isn't gun rights. It is freedom of speech.

Freedom of speech is great. Go ahead and speak freely. But what will you do when government agents get after you for the things you say?

Smiley
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January 08, 2016, 05:10:58 PM
every person has right to defend himself. for that reason, it cant be restricted but we can limit rights to have a gun .

You can only illegally limit rights and turn them into privileges, because the right is to EFFECTIVE self-defense, guns, the current pinnacle of human self-defense invention, not ineffective, "bring knives, bats, fists, whistles, harsh language to a genocide" effective suicide.
legendary
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January 08, 2016, 05:06:30 PM
every person has right to defend himself. for that reason, it cant be restricted but we can limit rights to have a gun .
legendary
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January 08, 2016, 04:57:50 PM
If you don't have any gun control, the best thing you can do is get a drum fed Uzi.

 Grin

I was just kidding. Rather, use a drum fed automatic shotgun with bird shot.

 Grin Grin
legendary
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January 08, 2016, 04:44:51 PM
If you don't have any gun control, the best thing you can do is get a drum fed Uzi.

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hey you, yeah you, fuck you!!!
January 08, 2016, 02:46:19 PM
Obama brings up these terrible shootings as a reason for the new laws, but then admits that they wouldn't have prevented any of them anyway. Using executive orders to push this is the action of a dictator not a president.
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January 08, 2016, 01:52:43 PM



Obama gets away with some whoppers on guns at town hall event | Fox News



President Obama’s appearance at a town hall meeting Thursday night on “Guns in America” was an orchestrated performance by invitation only. But event, hosted by CNN at George Mason University, saw anchor Anderson Cooper continually surprise the president.

Cooper demonstrated a deft command of the facts related to the gun issue and that came through with his guests and in his questions—though, as the evening unfolded, he continually let the president get away with untruths about his past positions.

Surprisingly, both sides of the issue were present in the small room—though, judging by audience applause, most were anti-gun-freedom.

Some of the moments were unintentionally revealing.

Cooper began by asking President Obama if he’d ever owned a gun. Mr. Obama sat up in surprise and said “no.” But, after a search for words, the president said he shoots skeet sometimes at Camp David before adding that he’s not much “of a marksman.” When he said that anyone who enjoys the shotgun sports knew he must not have shot skeet much, as “marksmanship” is a term used for target shooting, not by those who shoot skeet, trap or sporting clays.

When Cooper shifted the discussion to why the president chose to use executive actions on the gun issue, instead of working with Congress, Cooper asked the president if he would meet with the NRA. The president said, “I’m happy to meet with the NRA,” but as he said it he had this snarky smile on his face that would have been more fitting on one of his late show appearances.

Now, CNN says they invited President Obama to this live “town hall” on guns at George Mason University and that they later invited the NRA. The NRA, however, said they’d rather not play along with a “public relations spectacle orchestrated by the White House.”

The National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the trade association for firearms manufacturers, also declined an invitation. Larry Keane, senior vice president and general counsel to the NSSF, told me, “We declined the invitation because it is a White House-orchestrated made-for-TV event and not an opportunity for a genuine dialogue or an effort to find common ground. We remain disappointed that the president has chosen to demagogue the issue for political purposes instead of providing real leadership like working to advance Rep. Tim Murphy’s bipartisan legislation to address the issue of mental health, which is the common denominator in mass shootings.”   

Given Obama’s—and CNN’s—attacks on the NRA and gun manufacturers in general, it is hard to blame them for passing on the invitation, but in retrospect Cooper might have made them wish they were there to help keep President Obama squirming.

As squirm he did—with the facts and in his seat.

Taya Kyle, the wife of the late “American Sniper” Chris Kyle, was the first person Cooper called on. Kyle recently won a gun competition using the latest in sniper technology. She is a confident straight shooter. She pointed out that while the murder rate is at an all-time low, gun ownership is at an all time high. And then she asked, “Why not celebrate who we are?”

President Obama began shifting on his stool and searching for words to lawyer his way out of these basic facts. He finally pointed out that national trends don’t necessarily hold true in all locales, but he never had to answer why the areas with the strictest gun controls tend to have the highest murder rates.

There was also a rape survivor, Kimberly Corban, who, when called on said, “I have been unspeakably vandalized once already” before asking why she shouldn’t be able to carry a gun to protect herself.

President Obama was really uncomfortable then. He began back peddling and said his current executive actions won’t interfere with her right to carry a gun. But he never had to explain that he has supported bans on concealed-carry permits.

President Obama also repeatedly said that people can “just go on the Internet and buy whatever weapon they want.” But he was never forced to explain that any gun bought from a dealer over the Internet has to be sent to a local dealer that by law has to perform a background check before they can transfer the gun.

Later, Cooper actually did challenge President Obama by breaking in and asking “is it fair to call it a conspiracy” that people think he wants to take their guns away. “Yes, it is fair to call it a conspiracy,” said President Obama, who then claimed that he isn’t plotting take peoples’ guns away.

But Cooper didn’t force the president to address his advocacy for a renewed “assault weapons” ban, or for his administration’s public desire to use black lists, such as the no-fly list, to take away citizens’ Second Amendment rights without giving them even the basics of due process.

There were other questions that took President Obama aback, such as when Sheriff Paul Babue pushed Obama on how his proposals wouldn’t solve recent mass shootings. Cooper even broke in to say that “none of the guns used in recent mass shootings, I should point out, were purchased from legal dealers.”

President Obama didn’t have a clear answer to say why he isn’t swayed by these facts. He meandered before saying, “The young man who killed those children in Newtown didn’t have a criminal record but he had access to an arsenal.” He referred to an attack in China where a person attacked people with a knife and said “the vast majority survived because he wasn’t wielding a semiautomatic.”

Again, Cooper allowed President Obama to escape an obvious allusion to the fact that he would like to ban semiautomatic firearms.

The president was also allowed to get away with a big lie on “smart-guns.”

President Obama said, “[Smart Gun technology] has not been developed primarily because it has been blocked by the NRA” and firearms manufacturers.

Cooper didn’t challenge this point and instead called on a person in the audience, which changed the topic.

Nevertheless, this is a clear and provable fabrication by President Obama. As I detail, with interviews with many gun makers, law makers and gun experts in my book “The Future of the Gun,” the NRA and the NSSF, to name two pro-Second Amendment groups, have statements on their websites saying they are not opposed to “smart-gun” technology. All the manufacturers, the NRA leadership and more, point to laws that seek to mandate smart-gun technology—regulations previously backed by the Obama administration—that are what is impeding smart-gun development. Even “60 Minutes” noted this, and pointed out a New Jersey law on the books that would do this, in a recent report.

President Obama said early on in the town hall event that “people occupy different realities.”

Anyone who watched CNN’s “Guns in America” was certainly left with the conclusion that in Obama’s chosen reality he wishes he could, with a stroke of his pen, pass European-style gun controls in America.


http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/01/07/obama-gets-away-with-some-whoppers-on-guns-at-town-hall-event.html?intcmp=hpbt2


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January 08, 2016, 01:35:37 PM



Rape Survivor Asks Obama: Why Can’t You See Gun Restrictions Make My Kids and I Less Safe?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caBzcSYLnEI


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Telling her, in her face, that owning a gun is more dangerous that getting rapped...

legendary
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January 08, 2016, 12:28:04 PM
From a natural evolution viewpoint, the likelihood of one of your ancestor using a weapon to save his life or the life of your great great grandma, contributed greatly for you to have a philosophy right now.

Agree with you, that's why we need to learn about when to use it, as i said, an evolution..., hunt or have some fun, nothing more...in the end is not about gun control, is about education.


Education. I agree. That is why the NRA is such a vital organization.











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January 08, 2016, 11:52:37 AM
From a natural evolution viewpoint, the likelihood of one of your ancestor using a weapon to save his life or the life of your great great grandma, contributed greatly for you to have a philosophy right now.

Agree with you, that's why we need to learn about when to use it, as i said, an evolution..., hunt or have some fun, nothing more...in the end is not about gun control, is about education.
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The origin of "brave" evolved from "savage".
January 08, 2016, 11:35:12 AM
My definition of "gun control" is the ability to hit a target downrange. Smiley
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January 08, 2016, 11:04:57 AM
The guns are necessary to all of us, to defend ourselves and kill the Zionists.
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