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legendary
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December 29, 2015, 01:30:01 AM
About your poll question

I want to vote on the gun control poll, but I don’t understand the way it’s worded. I AM TOTALLY OPPOSED TO GUN CONTROL so should I vote “yes” or “no?” I don’t know how Congress feels. It would have been better if the question was “are you against gun control?”

—Jean Monfort via Facebook

[Editor’s note: Congress has the authority to make laws regarding gun control, which is why the question was formulated that way. So if you oppose gun control, you would vote “no” in the poll.]

Editor, fact-check thyself.
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December 28, 2015, 01:10:20 PM
Aside from this dude's Tig welding technique being pretty poor...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6UneNt1LWc

....I would prefer his hat...
legendary
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December 28, 2015, 12:41:55 PM
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Not only do I agree with the bolded above, but I imagine most of those in law enforcement would agree.  Yes we have a modern problem, that mostly did not exist in the past, with the five minutes of fame atrocity killers, but they are a needle in the haystack of gun owners.

Nothing, and in particular no system designed of rules, regulation and law, is perfect, and that includes firearms law and regulation.

You do indeed wonder, as the Left incessantly hammers the gun control issue, whether the real goal is indeed something else entirely.  Whether the goal may just be to eliminate the "tool of last resort against tyranny," even if those on the Left who do this may not even know what they do or why.

Most of those on the left have no idea what is going on.  They are influenced heavily by the propaganda which targets them just as anyone else.  Most of them feel that they are being good people and getting karma points by supporting things which are peaceful and non-violent.  I suspect that psychologically this  serves to paper over and push down genuine and fully human aspects of their personalities which run counter to who they wish to be.

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You (Spendulus) seem to attempt with reasonable success to take a scientific approach to reality.  You probably reject outright the suggestion that there is an observable genetic drift component to some of the recent health trends afflicting the younger population.  It simply does not make sense scientifically.

I propose that a 6x increase in 'active shooters' during the the term of President Obama similarly does not pass the smell test in social science terms.  Coupled with such things as:

 - the 'modernization' of the Smith-Mundt act
 - the ability for legal advisers working for the executive to make amazing interpretations of law to support policy (e.g.,  John Yoo)
 - the corporate consolidation of mainstream media and the working relationships between corp/gov in this respect,
 - the fairly staggering observations made by independent analysts (aka, 'conspiracy theorists')
 - Obama's admitted focus on gun control which dates back to early in his term (prior to most of the events.)

I suggest that it is perfectly possible that a lot of the 'problems' we've seen in the last few years have been state sponsored psychological operations.  To me it is simply not very unthinkable, especially with an eye toward historical events in the same vein, and is at present time the most rationally coherent read of reality.  In scientific terms, the hypothesis has the highest explanatory power as I read things.

I do believe it most likely that we are seeing a lot of psychological operations permeating our social awareness.  Beyond that, I suspect that more than a few people on the political Left believe this to be going on as well but they consider it to be a means to an end that they agree with.  For my part, I believe that the likely end-point is not at all what they are expecting or will find themselves agreeing with.  These people are being played as much as any other group.  Perhaps more.


I'll illustrate the extent (small, but it does exist) to which I agree with you.  The example I'll use is Ferguson.

After the incident, federal government and mass media worked hand in hand to whip up anti-Cop, anti-White, etc, sentiments across the country.  Building completely on a lie (that a wrong occurred) they did this.  By building on a complete lie they knowingly whip up cognitive dissidence in the population segments being manipulated (eg, black communities, and Leftish interest segments).

The only outcome of this could be further radicalization of population segments and possible inducement of some members to engage in violent acts.  In this sense, one could say that Obama with his promulgated statements and policies, has a responsiblity for the increased incidence of violence.

Let me go a step further.  Consider an already radicalized Muslim person, who not uncommonly reads the Left propaganda streams (such as includes the Ferguson incident and slanted views on it).  It's not unreasonable that such things being pushed on the public could further radicalize persons and be a factor in their moving over the line into violent behavior.



The interesting thing about all this is, in America, the majority of people go on with their lives... rather peacefully. Consider that all the stores are open for business. You can jump in the car and drive.

Look how big the prisons are, full of all kinds of unwanted people. If people become too radical, both cops and the people they pester, there's a lot more room for a lot more prisons. And the peaceful people will build the prisons if necessary, and send the radicals there if necessary.

Smiley
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December 28, 2015, 11:04:29 AM
...

Not only do I agree with the bolded above, but I imagine most of those in law enforcement would agree.  Yes we have a modern problem, that mostly did not exist in the past, with the five minutes of fame atrocity killers, but they are a needle in the haystack of gun owners.

Nothing, and in particular no system designed of rules, regulation and law, is perfect, and that includes firearms law and regulation.

You do indeed wonder, as the Left incessantly hammers the gun control issue, whether the real goal is indeed something else entirely.  Whether the goal may just be to eliminate the "tool of last resort against tyranny," even if those on the Left who do this may not even know what they do or why.

Most of those on the left have no idea what is going on.  They are influenced heavily by the propaganda which targets them just as anyone else.  Most of them feel that they are being good people and getting karma points by supporting things which are peaceful and non-violent.  I suspect that psychologically this  serves to paper over and push down genuine and fully human aspects of their personalities which run counter to who they wish to be.

---

You (Spendulus) seem to attempt with reasonable success to take a scientific approach to reality.  You probably reject outright the suggestion that there is an observable genetic drift component to some of the recent health trends afflicting the younger population.  It simply does not make sense scientifically.

I propose that a 6x increase in 'active shooters' during the the term of President Obama similarly does not pass the smell test in social science terms.  Coupled with such things as:

 - the 'modernization' of the Smith-Mundt act
 - the ability for legal advisers working for the executive to make amazing interpretations of law to support policy (e.g.,  John Yoo)
 - the corporate consolidation of mainstream media and the working relationships between corp/gov in this respect,
 - the fairly staggering observations made by independent analysts (aka, 'conspiracy theorists')
 - Obama's admitted focus on gun control which dates back to early in his term (prior to most of the events.)

I suggest that it is perfectly possible that a lot of the 'problems' we've seen in the last few years have been state sponsored psychological operations.  To me it is simply not very unthinkable, especially with an eye toward historical events in the same vein, and is at present time the most rationally coherent read of reality.  In scientific terms, the hypothesis has the highest explanatory power as I read things.

I do believe it most likely that we are seeing a lot of psychological operations permeating our social awareness.  Beyond that, I suspect that more than a few people on the political Left believe this to be going on as well but they consider it to be a means to an end that they agree with.  For my part, I believe that the likely end-point is not at all what they are expecting or will find themselves agreeing with.  These people are being played as much as any other group.  Perhaps more.


I'll illustrate the extent (small, but it does exist) to which I agree with you.  The example I'll use is Ferguson.

After the incident, federal government and mass media worked hand in hand to whip up anti-Cop, anti-White, etc, sentiments across the country.  Building completely on a lie (that a wrong occurred) they did this.  By building on a complete lie they knowingly whip up cognitive dissidence in the population segments being manipulated (eg, black communities, and Leftish interest segments).

The only outcome of this could be further radicalization of population segments and possible inducement of some members to engage in violent acts.  In this sense, one could say that Obama with his promulgated statements and policies, has a responsiblity for the increased incidence of violence.

Let me go a step further.  Consider an already radicalized Muslim person, who not uncommonly reads the Left propaganda streams (such as includes the Ferguson incident and slanted views on it).  It's not unreasonable that such things being pushed on the public could further radicalize persons and be a factor in their moving over the line into violent behavior.

legendary
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December 27, 2015, 05:31:52 PM
...

Not only do I agree with the bolded above, but I imagine most of those in law enforcement would agree.  Yes we have a modern problem, that mostly did not exist in the past, with the five minutes of fame atrocity killers, but they are a needle in the haystack of gun owners.

Nothing, and in particular no system designed of rules, regulation and law, is perfect, and that includes firearms law and regulation.

You do indeed wonder, as the Left incessantly hammers the gun control issue, whether the real goal is indeed something else entirely.  Whether the goal may just be to eliminate the "tool of last resort against tyranny," even if those on the Left who do this may not even know what they do or why.

Most of those on the left have no idea what is going on.  They are influenced heavily by the propaganda which targets them just as anyone else.  Most of them feel that they are being good people and getting karma points by supporting things which are peaceful and non-violent.  I suspect that psychologically this  serves to paper over and push down genuine and fully human aspects of their personalities which run counter to who they wish to be.

---

You (Spendulus) seem to attempt with reasonable success to take a scientific approach to reality.  You probably reject outright the suggestion that there is an observable genetic drift component to some of the recent health trends afflicting the younger population.  It simply does not make sense scientifically.

I propose that a 6x increase in 'active shooters' during the the term of President Obama similarly does not pass the smell test in social science terms.  Coupled with such things as:

 - the 'modernization' of the Smith-Mundt act
 - the ability for legal advisers working for the executive to make amazing interpretations of law to support policy (e.g.,  John Yoo)
 - the corporate consolidation of mainstream media and the working relationships between corp/gov in this respect,
 - the fairly staggering observations made by independent analysts (aka, 'conspiracy theorists')
 - Obama's admitted focus on gun control which dates back to early in his term (prior to most of the events.)

I suggest that it is perfectly possible that a lot of the 'problems' we've seen in the last few years have been state sponsored psychological operations.  To me it is simply not very unthinkable, especially with an eye toward historical events in the same vein, and is at present time the most rationally coherent read of reality.  In scientific terms, the hypothesis has the highest explanatory power as I read things.

I do believe it most likely that we are seeing a lot of psychological operations permeating our social awareness.  Beyond that, I suspect that more than a few people on the political Left believe this to be going on as well but they consider it to be a means to an end that they agree with.  For my part, I believe that the likely end-point is not at all what they are expecting or will find themselves agreeing with.  These people are being played as much as any other group.  Perhaps more.

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December 27, 2015, 02:21:32 PM



Chiappa Triple Threat 12 Gauge








https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcgJAp38mmM


legendary
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December 27, 2015, 02:15:13 PM
I totally agree. Gun Control is the need of the hour. How many more innocent lives are we willing to sacrifice? Young kids are getting killed every now and than bez of the misuse of protection law. Its a time to have a strict and strong law to control this menace.
Yes, that's totally brilliant.  You need a law to tell criminals to not be criminals so that criminals will not be criminals.  

At the very least you could have a law that criminals must wait 5 minutes after breaking into a house before they start robbing it.  And they must wait 10 minutes after seizing a woman before raping her.

This would give the cops time to arrive and arrest the criminals.

Criminals will always have guns, regardless of the law. The innocent lives taken are taken by crime.  We are heading towards a totalitarian state and taking away gun rights will get us into deep shit.


Wait, so you mean it won't work just to tell the criminals to not be bad? (sarcasm)

One woman obeyed a bad law, to not carry, and that got her family killed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9FzMnwrPEk

Guns are like fire extinguishers.  Sure you hope there won't be a fire.  But you definitely want a couple fire extinguishers to put fires out.  Nobody depends on waiting until the fire engines arrive.
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December 27, 2015, 01:11:02 PM
I totally agree. Gun Control is the need of the hour. How many more innocent lives are we willing to sacrifice? Young kids are getting killed every now and than bez of the misuse of protection law. Its a time to have a strict and strong law to control this menace.
Yes, that's totally brilliant.  You need a law to tell criminals to not be criminals so that criminals will not be criminals. 

At the very least you could have a law that criminals must wait 5 minutes after breaking into a house before they start robbing it.  And they must wait 10 minutes after seizing a woman before raping her.

This would give the cops time to arrive and arrest the criminals.

Criminals will always have guns, regardless of the law. The innocent lives taken are taken by crime.  We are heading towards a totalitarian state and taking away gun rights will get us into deep shit.

legendary
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December 27, 2015, 11:06:06 AM
I totally agree. Gun Control is the need of the hour. How many more innocent lives are we willing to sacrifice? Young kids are getting killed every now and than bez of the misuse of protection law. Its a time to have a strict and strong law to control this menace.
Yes, that's totally brilliant.  You need a law to tell criminals to not be criminals so that criminals will not be criminals. 

At the very least you could have a law that criminals must wait 5 minutes after breaking into a house before they start robbing it.  And they must wait 10 minutes after seizing a woman before raping her.

This would give the cops time to arrive and arrest the criminals.
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December 27, 2015, 07:30:26 AM
I totally agree. Gun Control is the need of the hour. How many more innocent lives are we willing to sacrifice? Young kids are getting killed every now and than bez of the misuse of protection law. Its a time to have a strict and strong law to control this menace.
legendary
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December 26, 2015, 11:19:48 PM

Great vid!  Thanks for the link.

IMHO, even though it is quite important for a gun owner to know how to physically operate a gun, it is even more important to know what follows.  This guy did a great no-nonsense job on that topic.

Considering all of the idiocy that people are exposed to in the media I am actually quite surprised at the relatively low levels of irresponsible gun ownership among law abiding citizens.  In fact even the criminal class seems surprisingly 'responsible' in their use of guns.  That I ascribe to the sharp knives of the justice system when guns are involved in a crime, and this was exactly the goal of the current regime when it was formulated as policy.  As far as I'm concerned, gun ownership here in the U.S. is really working remarkably well thanks to common sense and scientifically sound policy developed over the last 3 or 4 decades.

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At this point, I am fairly confident to say that the anti-gun people with any sort of power (and I specifically exclude the propagandized ankle-biter zombie masses here) are upset about guns for the exact reason that those who formulated the 2nd amendment were envisioning.  That is, as a tool of last resort against tyranny.  A thinking person must ask themselves, 'what, in the future, could be so threatening that people would in any sort of numbers exercise the 'right to bear arms'?'  I can think of a few possibilities, and in all of these cases I would prefer to have the 2nd amendment option than to not.  That's just me, though, and I'm a relative oldster who missed some of the later curriculum taught in schools and don't watch much TV.



Not only do I agree with the bolded above, but I imagine most of those in law enforcement would agree.  Yes we have a modern problem, that mostly did not exist in the past, with the five minutes of fame atrocity killers, but they are a needle in the haystack of gun owners.

Nothing, and in particular no system designed of rules, regulation and law, is perfect, and that includes firearms law and regulation.

You do indeed wonder, as the Left incessantly hammers the gun control issue, whether the real goal is indeed something else entirely.  Whether the goal may just be to eliminate the "tool of last resort against tyranny," even if those on the Left who do this may not even know what they do or why.
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December 26, 2015, 04:45:54 PM
Gun and control together mean is strong and power.
legendary
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December 23, 2015, 11:00:34 PM

Great vid!  Thanks for the link.

IMHO, even though it is quite important for a gun owner to know how to physically operate a gun, it is even more important to know what follows.  This guy did a great no-nonsense job on that topic.

Considering all of the idiocy that people are exposed to in the media I am actually quite surprised at the relatively low levels of irresponsible gun ownership among law abiding citizens.  In fact even the criminal class seems surprisingly 'responsible' in their use of guns.  That I ascribe to the sharp knives of the justice system when guns are involved in a crime, and this was exactly the goal of the current regime when it was formulated as policy.  As far as I'm concerned, gun ownership here in the U.S. is really working remarkably well thanks to common sense and scientifically sound policy developed over the last 3 or 4 decades.

---

At this point, I am fairly confident to say that the anti-gun people with any sort of power (and I specifically exclude the propagandized ankle-biter zombie masses here) are upset about guns for the exact reason that those who formulated the 2nd amendment were envisioning.  That is, as a tool of last resort against tyranny.  A thinking person must ask themselves, 'what, in the future, could be so threatening that people would in any sort of numbers exercise the 'right to bear arms'?'  I can think of a few possibilities, and in all of these cases I would prefer to have the 2nd amendment option than to not.  That's just me, though, and I'm a relative oldster who missed some of the later curriculum taught in schools and don't watch much TV.



Thanks for the video compliment. Freedom's Phoenix usually has at least a few great things for everybody - https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/.

Your note about the 2nd Amendment prompts me to write the following.

People at the time the Constitution was penned were great lawyers. Everybody was a lawyer in his own right. The Amendments were set in place to limit government.

Let's hear that again. Amendments were set in place to limit government.

Amendments were NOT set in place to give us rights. They weren't even set in place to uphold our rights directly. Let's hear it again... Amendments were set in place to limit government.

Where do we go to find out what our rights are? We look within ourselves. As long as we are not harming anyone, and as long as we are not damaging someone's property, it is our right.

What government document do we use to protect any and all rights, and our freedom, when government encroaches on our rights. The Preamble to the Constitution.

The Preamble shows us that people set up the Constitution and government for the benefit of themselves and their posterity (descendants). If what the government is doing is harming you directly, or harming you by damaging or stealing your property - like income taxes, not letting you use drugs responsibly, limiting how many peanuts you can grow, forcing you into the military through the draft, traffic ticket fines when no harm or damage was done, gun limitations, etc., etc. - it is not a benefit to you. It's a detriment or harm to you and your rights.

Be a man or woman. Stand up and sue the dickens out of the person who is using the government to harm you, because government can't harm you. It is only for your benefit. If a government person harms you by messing with your rights, that person is acting outside of government.

Smiley
legendary
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December 23, 2015, 10:25:44 PM

Great vid!  Thanks for the link.

IMHO, even though it is quite important for a gun owner to know how to physically operate a gun, it is even more important to know what follows.  This guy did a great no-nonsense job on that topic.

Considering all of the idiocy that people are exposed to in the media I am actually quite surprised at the relatively low levels of irresponsible gun ownership among law abiding citizens.  In fact even the criminal class seems surprisingly 'responsible' in their use of guns.  That I ascribe to the sharp knives of the justice system when guns are involved in a crime, and this was exactly the goal of the current regime when it was formulated as policy.  As far as I'm concerned, gun ownership here in the U.S. is really working remarkably well thanks to common sense and scientifically sound policy developed over the last 3 or 4 decades.

---

At this point, I am fairly confident to say that the anti-gun people with any sort of power (and I specifically exclude the propagandized ankle-biter zombie masses here) are upset about guns for the exact reason that those who formulated the 2nd amendment were envisioning.  That is, as a tool of last resort against tyranny.  A thinking person must ask themselves, 'what, in the future, could be so threatening that people would in any sort of numbers exercise the 'right to bear arms'?'  I can think of a few possibilities, and in all of these cases I would prefer to have the 2nd amendment option than to not.  That's just me, though, and I'm a relative oldster who missed some of the later curriculum taught in schools and don't watch much TV.

legendary
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December 23, 2015, 09:10:19 PM
If we learn to use our mind we dont need to use guns

If we learn to use our mind, we'll be buying lots of guns and ammo, and filing some of our semi-auto's down to where they are full auto's.

Smiley
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December 23, 2015, 08:14:00 PM
If we learn to use our mind we dont need to use guns

There's only one person who can use mind bullets, and that's http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/tenaciousd/wonderboy.html
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