What's your opinion of gun control? - page 25.

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Quote from: Vincoin.cash on March 06, 2018, 11:13:19 AM

I think too many people are getting killed with guns. I think we should not sell guns to just anyone. They should be a cop, someone in the military, or something. Well I think just this.

The cop (deputy), who's job it was to protect the school in Florida, hid like a coward while the kids were being killed.

So much for the police protecting you - It appears their job is to write a report and take pictures of the dead for the inevitable press conference where they will proclaim themselves heroes.

That cop was a county cop. Generally it is policy that county cops stand down in city affairs until city cops invite them. There is too much blame against these county cops who simply followed policy and waited outside for city cops to call them in to help. The city cops who were to proud to call the county cops in are the ones to blame.

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Quote from: Vincoin.cash on March 06, 2018, 11:13:19 AM

I think too many people are getting killed with guns. I think we should not sell guns to just anyone. They should be a cop, someone in the military, or something. Well I think just this.

The cop (deputy), who's job it was to protect the school in Florida, hid like a coward while the kids were being killed.

So much for the police protecting you - It appears their job is to write a report and take pictures of the dead for the inevitable press conference where they will proclaim themselves heroes.

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Quote from: popcorn1 on March 06, 2018, 10:43:27 AM

Have i worked this sum out wrong?..

Poverty + total capitalism + guns = mega death

A believable story could be done around this formula, but the ones which are known to have occured in history are of the form:

Poverty + Communism + guns under control of the party only = mega death

We see this in the Soviet Union, China, Cambodia, etc.

I personally don't think that Communism per-se has much to do with the equation other than that it is a totalitarian system and disfunctional economically which makes problems come to a head more quickly. A simplified equation which I feel is more accurate (and so did, apparently, the founders of the U.S.):

Totalitarian govt + un-armed population = mega death of own citizens

If the government (totalitarian or otherwise) is war-like then the mega death is more outwardly directed. They want to keep the citizens healthy the better to kill citizens of other countries. If the government is peaceful then they will focus inward on milking the herd and culling the population when it gets unwieldy. An armed population complicates the culling options.

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Quote from: 15putriutami on March 06, 2018, 07:37:24 AM

Our guns aren't going anywhere, the Govt. is not capable of taking them all. It's logistically not feasible.

You can say the same thing about Heroïn... does it make it so that Govt. should provide it to everyone ?

Should it be available at Walmart to 16years old as guns are in the US ?

Fallacious argument spotted Roll Eyes

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Quote from: 15putriutami on March 06, 2018, 07:37:24 AM

Our guns aren't going anywhere, the Govt. is not capable of taking them all. It's logistically not feasible.

A government that seeks to take the guns from it's citizens is a government that seeks to step on the rights of the citizens and they shouldn't take away the guns but they should not allow everyone to have access to guns that easily.

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I think too many people are getting killed with guns. I think we should not sell guns to just anyone. They should be a cop, someone in the military, or something. Well I think just this.

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Have i worked this sum out wrong?..

Poverty + total capitalism + guns = mega death

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Quote from: 15putriutami on March 06, 2018, 07:37:24 AM

Our guns aren't going anywhere, the Govt. is not capable of taking them all. It's logistically not feasible.

They could pass a raft of legislation mandating chronic costs and hassles. Then any infractions could be used as justification for draconian punishments. This is how I would 'get the guns' if I were designing a strategy.

The above strategy probably would get the guns out of the hands of most typical law abiding people, but not out of the hands of criminals who create problems for ordinary folks. That is actually fine with TPTB. Violent criminals are a very useful tool that TPTB can use for system control purposes and to justify 'official protection' in the form of paramilitaries. Both the violent criminal classes and the state sponsored paramilitaries are more effective in certain kinds of operations, and cost effective, if the general citizenry are dis-armed.

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Our guns aren't going anywhere, the Govt. is not capable of taking them all. It's logistically not feasible.

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With the guns spread all over the globe. I cannot imagine how a gunless society will start. Someone has to own one. This is how some people few about guns since they have to protect themwselves from different kinds of threat.

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My opinion is that gun control costs more lives than it saves. At the very least, it is a pointless endeavor that only serves to inconvenience those inclined to follow the law, and does nothing to stop those intent on breaking the law. I consider gun free zones to be, in effect, murder zones, because criminals are lazy, and don't like it much when someone shoots back at them. Schools, banks, nightclubs, movie theaters, event venues, etc are all gun free zones, they have also been the scenes of some of the worst mass-shootings in recent history. They are rich with targets that are utterly defenseless and at the mercy of a shooter, which is PRECUSELY why they are typically targetted for mass shootings.

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Guns nowadays are easily accessible and everyone can buy their own. Whether it be for protection or it can be used for assault or to take someone's life away. Guns are good if it intends to be for protection, to use it solely if there is an immediate threat to life. We should promote the control of it so that it cannot be used to harm others. Proper registration and also psychiatric evaluation can be considered if one is to own a gun.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 05, 2018, 11:03:16 PM

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Florida Senate rejects ban on assault weapons, votes to arm teachers

Read more at https://ca.news.yahoo.com/florida-senate-rejects-ban-assault-weapons-votes-arm-154226849.html.

As usual, two of the RINOs betrayed their party and voted with the Dems. I never see this happening in the Democratic Party. They are always united and none of them will ever betray their party whip. The GOP will succeed only if all the RINOs in that party are ousted.

The representative from my area is a Democrat but is usually the lone Dem in the state who votes against the ever-increasing efforts to get rid of civilian gun rights. I vote for her for this reason...in other ways she is a classic Dem and very frustrated that we greedy citizens don't want to cough up even more tax money for public projects.

My gut sense is that there are an increasing number of Dems who are on the edge of having had enough of this bullshit. Especially the guns and chicken-little eco stuff. Flipping some fraction of these could be a real help.

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Quote from: BADecker on March 05, 2018, 08:04:35 PM

Florida Senate rejects ban on assault weapons, votes to arm teachers

Read more at https://ca.news.yahoo.com/florida-senate-rejects-ban-assault-weapons-votes-arm-154226849.html.

As usual, two of the RINOs betrayed their party and voted with the Dems. I never see this happening in the Democratic Party. They are always united and none of them will ever betray their party whip. The GOP will succeed only if all the RINOs in that party are ousted.

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Gun made it to hold it not the gun hold anybody. We use gun for protection and defend for anyone need not for self interest or just become proud to anyone.

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Florida Senate rejects ban on assault weapons, votes to arm teachers

Quote from: https://ca.news.yahoo.com/florida-senate-rejects-ban-assault-weapons-votes-arm-154226849.html

An amendment that would have banned assault weapons attached to a wider bill failed on Saturday in a largely party-line vote, in response to the Feb. 14 killing of 14 students and three faculty at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in the Fort Lauderdale suburb of Parkland.

The vote was 20-17 against the assault weapon ban, with two Republicans joining all of the senate's 15 Democrats in support of the proposal, the Miami Herald reported.

The full bill, the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Act, is expected to pass the state Senate on Monday, then go to the Florida House.

After the Senate rejected the ban, Stoneman Douglas student Jaclyn Corin tweeted, "This breaks my heart, but we will NOT let this ruin our movement. This is for the kids."

Fellow classmate David Hogg, who has become one of the school's leading activists on gun safety, tweeted, "Elections are going to be fun!"

Read more at https://ca.news.yahoo.com/florida-senate-rejects-ban-assault-weapons-votes-arm-154226849.html.

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Anti-gun Activists Ignore the Biggest Purveyor of Violence–the State

Anti-gun Activists Ignore the Biggest Purveyor of Violence--the State

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-H4jq-MQHCE

Read about it at https://www.newsbud.com/2018/03/05/anti-gun-activists-ignore-the-biggest-purveyor-of-violence-the-state/.

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I think gun control should be.Today even in a young age used gun to kill.There are so many news engaging about gun and the most problem on that is teenagers are the suspects.It feel so much pain in part of the parents if that happpened.
Thats why the government should do everything for those who are using gun and maybe a law about how to control in using gun and the most important are the parents should be the one responsible for their kids.

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Mother, Daughter Take On Armed Robber

Quote from: https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/02/no_author/mother-daughter-refuse-to-be-victims/

They allow people who would otherwise be victims to defend themselves.

A prime example of this comes out of Oklahoma where a mother and daughter took on the guy trying to rob their family-owned liquor store. It did not work out well for him.

The two women spoke out about the incident, as well.

When the gunman turned away, the women said they grabbed guns of their own and opened fire.

They said all they could think about was saving the other's life.

"The next thing I know that I have my gun and I'm shooting him. And I get up and I shoot him again, and he just keeps coming back to me," said Ring.

https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/02/26/mother-daughter-take-armed-robber/

Skroll down at the above link for video you can watch.... taken down by YouTube but available at above site.

Read more at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/02/no_author/mother-daughter-refuse-to-be-victims/.

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From my point of view if you want to install a dictatorship in one country, what do you do? Take the guns out of the people so they can't defend themselves against the guns of the soldiers. Thats what was Chavez did in Venezuela, i saw it with my own eyes.

The best course of action is giving guns to the security guards in the school, install more cameras and strengthen security. Criminals will always be able to get guns. But they should fire against armed security guards and not against defenseless children.

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