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legendary
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March 21, 2018, 08:00:41 PM
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Just picked it up today.  Just for plinking and playing around.  I should get to be a better shot with a pistol.  Unfortunately I had three failures to cycle and a rimfire fail with cheap ammo.  No failures with the 20 rounds of name brand I sent down-range.  Now I gotta clean the fucking thing.  That's the major down-side of guns.  I guess that 'gun-nuts' love that shit, but I hate it.

Now I need a better CCW, and I've almost decided that a mini-14 is the carbine class rifle I want.  Unfortunately the 'rancher' style doesn't seem to be made in SS in my brief research on the matter.

Edit:  Forgot to add that I was basically forced to kill a skunk that got into my house and showed no signs of leaving a few days ago.  Stunk the place up good, but it's a second house and only my cat lives there at this time.  Unfortunately my pistol had not arrived yet so I had to use my rifle with shot-shells.  The moral of the story is, again, that guns have broad usefulness to a great number of rural dwelling people that have nothing to do with humans.  If you urban-dwelling folk don't take that into account in your plans for how the world needs to work there will probably be trouble.

legendary
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March 21, 2018, 07:18:34 PM
People control is better. A guy with temper and other connected emotions might use it for personal gains.

It's odd to see people wearing guns aside from cops.

But it wasn't odd at various times and places all over the world. In America, once the general populace had used their guns to bring about relative peace in the whole country, most set their guns aside. Finally we forgot what it was like for the majority to wear guns in public.

Now that bad guys with guns are becoming more problematic again, it's time we all started packing in open-carry style, so we can clean up America again. Then, after America is cleaned up, no guns will be necessary, and we can hang them up until next time.

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March 21, 2018, 05:27:58 PM
People control is better. A guy with temper and other connected emotions might use it for personal gains.

It's odd to see people wearing guns aside from cops.
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Guns are made for one purpose, and that purpose is to kill.
I believe that guns are not weapons, they are tools. How they are used is up to the person holding it.
Guns are especially dangerous in the hands of people who don't know how to use them (i.e., kids and teenagers) as well as those who are mentally ill and/or have a temper problem.
Gun control will not stop violence because a violent person doesn’t need a gun to be violent.
After the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting in Newtown, Connecticut, support for gun control increased dramatically.

Generally in America, the support for gun control has outweighed the support for gun rights.
Are gun control laws constitutional?
What would be your ideal set of laws regarding firearms?




assuming united states here:

Nationalize firearms dealers. If you want someone across the counter from a potential psycho shooter you'll want it to be a government employee. Government employees don't depend on gun sales to be employed. They just get a stead paycheck from uncle Sam and call it a day. If some psycho goes in there with only a couple issues with mental illness maybe the owner will just sell it. Whereas a government employee will do exactly what they're told. Especially if those gun sellers are former 03 infantry marines or other MOS in the United States military. That prevents forced robbery because the people there will be experts at defending (especially if they are security forces) and that may solve the problem of former infantry marines not being able to get jobs. At least with a government job they can start as an gs-7 or something like that. Good pay, something they are good at (provided their own mental stability is on point) and they are the best defense IMO. Maybe a good thought, maybe this can be refuted. Wondering what others think.
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March 20, 2018, 06:27:21 PM
Having a gun is a responsibility. It’s like your holding your life in it. Now a days having a gun is to dangerous. Why? Because the temper and being irresponsible of most of the people. If the government will be more strict with the implementation of the law regarding owning a guy maybe it’s  a yes. But how the government is handling the implementation of the law of having a gun now it’s a no for me. Because the risk of crime will increase because of that.
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March 20, 2018, 04:04:34 PM
Gun control is necessary in countries when people living in bad conditions because they can easily start shooting to recivie something the want...
legendary
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March 20, 2018, 11:43:02 AM
Gun grabbers go BATSH*T over pic of Alabama gas station (hint, guns!)





Imagine being this easily triggered because a gas station sells handguns – these people seriously need to get out of their elitist bubbles and take a gander at how most of America lives. Did she not realize she was in Alabama?

And if you thought her reaction was pathetic, check out the rest of the peeps on her thread:
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    I wonder if anyone (or how many) in the US realizes how mind-numbingly, incomprehensibly and sickly ABSURD this is, that the level of national insecurity is SO BAD that everyone needs to be prepared to shoot their fellow man DEAD.. at ANY time. I cannot fathom this.

    — McDes (@HiFlowHead) March 18, 2018


They just don’t get it.

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    Yeah, I have to say life's pretty grand without worrying about being shot. It's sunny too.

    — Miss McApples of Wattle Grove's lovely 2nd grade (@fuzzibilities) March 19, 2018

    Definitely. When one carries wherever he goes, he doesn't worry about being shot. And armed Society is a polite Society. It's sad that some people don't get that. Glad to see that you do.

    — Doc Washburn (@DocWashburn) March 19, 2018


Read more at https://www.prisonplanet.com/gun-grabbers-go-batsht-over-pic-of-alabama-gas-station-hint-guns.html


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March 16, 2018, 09:10:38 AM
The total lie of gun control is this. The enforcers of gun control use guns to make their gun control work. Gun control is simply a slave-making process.

Hillary, Bernie denounce guns -- while hiding behind visible ones!






As teens walked out of schools to complain about "gun violence" yesterday, the pair of politicians couldn't be happier.

"You're an inspiration to millions of Americans who know commonsense gun reform is long overdue," Hillary tweeted.

"We are with you, and we will not give up."

Hillary was with them (at least in spirit) — with a very big gun by her side.

During Clinton's trip to India — where she insulted middle Americans, women Trump voters and nearly tumbled down the stairs — she was photographed with a security guard by her side who was toting a huge rifle.


Read more at https://www.prisonplanet.com/hillary-bernie-denounce-guns-while-hiding-behind-visible-ones.html


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March 15, 2018, 03:48:38 PM
Guns is very useful thing when you have to fight with something big but in routine life it's not necessary. Many people are just scared of something that doesn't exist.
legendary
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March 15, 2018, 02:44:23 PM
Gun freedom is in the same category for the same reasons as THE freedom of speech.

President Trump and the Freedom of Speech






When James Madison drafted the First Amendment — "Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech" — he made sure to use the article "the" in front of the word "freedom." What seemed normal to him and superfluous to moderns was actually a profound signal that has resonated for 227 years. The signal was that because the freedom of speech existed before the government that was formed to protect it came into existence, it does not have its origins in government.

The freedom of speech has its origins in our humanity. It is a natural right. It exists in the absence of government. By the exercise of normal human reasoning, all rational people are drawn to exercise this freedom. Madison understood this. He could have written, "Congress shall grant freedom of speech." He did not because that freedom is not Congress' to grant or to abridge.

I am presenting this thumbnail sketch of the historical and philosophical underpinnings of the freedom of speech by way of background to a hot dispute now raging off the front pages. The dispute addresses whether the president of the United States can use federal courts to block the exercise of this right. CBS News wants to air an interview with an adult-film actress who alleges a sexual relationship with Donald Trump — a relationship he denies — and President Trump wants to prevent the airing.

The actress, whose stage name is Stormy Daniels, signed an agreement in October 2016 to accept $130,000 in return for remaining silent about her alleged sexual relationship with Trump, which she claims occurred shortly after the birth of his son Barron, who is now almost 12. The lawyer who negotiated the agreement with Daniels' lawyer claimed that he was doing this on his own, that the hush money came from him and not Trump, and that Trump was not his client.

That claim raises profound campaign finance issues, but they are not the point of this piece. The point of this piece is about the freedom of speech.

Daniels, whose present lawyers have sued to invalidate the agreement, recently gave an interview about her relationship with Trump to the CBS News program "60 Minutes." CBS plans to air that interview in the coming weeks, and Trump wants to prevent that from happening. The stated legal basis for Trump's lawyers asking a court to block the broadcast is the existence of the hush agreement, which, in plain words, bars Daniels from discussing anything about her alleged sexual relationship with Trump. Obviously, Trump does not want any allegations from Daniels — true or false — to become a topic of public conversation and a distraction to his presidency.

Can the president legally persuade a federal court to enjoin the airing of an interview? In a word: no. Here is the back story.

In 1931, in a famous case called Near v. Minnesota, the Supreme Court generally rejected the concept of "prior restraint." Prior restraint is the use of the courts to prevent the media from disseminating materials they already have. The Near case dealt with an anti-Catholic, anti-Semitic, anti-African-American newspaper that Minnesota state courts had silenced. The Supreme Court overruled the state courts and held that the freedom of speech presumes that individuals will decide for themselves what to read and hear and the First Amendment keeps the government — which here includes the courts — from censoring the marketplace of ideas, even hateful ideas.

Forty years later, in the Pentagon Papers case, the Supreme Court made a similar ruling. There, Daniel Ellsberg, an employee of a contractor to the Department of Defense, stole highly classified documents that demonstrated that then-President Lyndon B. Johnson and his generals had knowingly deceived the American public about the war in Vietnam.

When Ellsberg gave the documents to The New York Times and The Washington Post, the Nixon administration hurriedly persuaded a federal judge in New York to enjoin the Times from publishing the documents. Before a federal judge in Washington could rule on a similar request — and bypassing the intermediate appellate courts — the Supreme Court took the case and ruled in favor of the freedom of speech and reinforced the judicial condemnation of prior restraint.

But the Pentagon Papers ruling went a step further than the Near opinion had. It ruled that no matter how a media outlet has acquired matters material to the public interest — even by theft of top-secret documents — the outlet is free to publish them. This, of course, does not absolve the thief (though the case against Ellsberg was dismissed because of FBI misconduct), but it makes clear that no court can block the media from revealing what they reasonably believe the public wants to hear.


Read more at https://www.lewrockwell.com/2018/03/andrew-p-napolitano/president-trump-and-the-freedom-of-speech/.


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legendary
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March 15, 2018, 02:37:33 PM
Arizona teachers already can carry guns in school — with permission — state superintendent says





The White House earlier this week proposed providing "rigorous firearm training" to qualified school personnel, furthering the polarizing national debate over whether teachers should be allowed to carry guns in school.

In Florida, site of last month's massacre that left 17 dead, Gov. Rick Scott signed into law a set of new gun restrictions that allow some teachers and staff to carry guns on school campuses.

But Arizona may be ahead of this curve. Here teachers already can carry guns in school — with permission — according to the state's top education administrator.

State statutes essentially already allow local school boards to give school employees permission to carry guns on a public district or charter school campus, state Superintendent Diane Douglas said Feb. 28 on the Bill Buckmaster Show on KVOI-AM, Tucson, Ariz.


Read more at https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/13/arizona-guns-schools/420229002/.


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legendary
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March 15, 2018, 11:28:24 AM
i very agree about gun control. not every body should have a gun.

But if teachers and average people had guns and training, we almost wouldn't need cops. Think of all the money we could save without cops.

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March 15, 2018, 11:07:13 AM
i very agree about gun control. not every body should have a gun.
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March 15, 2018, 09:23:21 AM
Guns in school: It's not just an idea. Here's how some states are already doing it.





Corrections and Clarifications: A previous version of this story misstated the location of Fairview R-XI School District.

As U.S. Education Secretary Betsy DeVos leads a commission tasked with examining ways to protect schools, including arming school personnel, will K-12 buildings swap "gun-free zone" signs for a more armed and dangerous message?

White House officials, including President Trump himself, have said they would support offering federal funds for "rigorous firearms training" to qualified school employees.

It's a fiercely debated idea amid requests for stricter gun laws from student survivors of the Parkland, Fla., school shooting. An NBC News/SurveyMonkey poll showed the majority of Americans don't want to arm teachers, but 42% of people said they should. As Florida looks at a proposal to arm its teachers, critics say it could create more problems, citing the 132 hours of training required — less than what basic police recruits receive.


Read more and watch the video at https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/03/13/can-guns-schools-save-students-during-shooting-heres-what-states-say/418965002/.


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March 15, 2018, 09:16:42 AM
Big Pharma Paid Millions in Secret Settlements After Antidepressants Linked to Mass Murder





While history has shown that the most notorious mass shooters in this century were taking antidepressants or Selective Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitors (SSRIs) before they carried out the deadly rampages, there are a number of killings that have been linked directly to the dangerous drugs. In fact, the pharmaceutical companies behind the most popular SSRI's have paid hundreds of millions of dollars in damages:

Eli Lilly Paid Secret Settlements to Survivors After Man on Prozac Went on Shooting Rampage in 1989

Joseph T. Wesbecker, 47, carried out a mass shooting in which he shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Kentucky, in September 1989. Eight of the victims were fatally wounded, and Wesbecker ended the rampage by shooting and killing himself.


Read more at http://www.dcclothesline.com/2018/03/13/big-pharma-paid-millions-in-secret-settlements-after-antidepressants-linked-to-mass-murder/.


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legendary
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March 15, 2018, 09:06:29 AM
I think their must be strict  gun control because if a weopan get into the wrong hands it can have serious consequences. Guns laws must be  considered permissive in countries  where authorities will give firearm license to citizens who meet the legal requirements.


Right. Strict gun control by everybody.

A 250 pound, rogue cop can easily shoot and kill a 90 pound granny. But if Granny has a gun, she has a chance.

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March 15, 2018, 09:03:52 AM
I think their must be strict  gun control because if a weopan get into the wrong hands it can have serious consequences. Guns laws must be  considered permissive in countries  where authorities will give firearm license to citizens who meet the legal requirements.
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March 15, 2018, 01:22:51 AM
Guns are indeed dangerous to every one’s life. I don’t think that guns are made for only one purpose. Yes, guns are made to kill someone. But, for me, it is a thing that you can have to secure your protection in terms of danger. Again, there are many things that can secure your protection, but, I think gun is a thing that can help you in case if you are a government official and you know that there are threats in your life. Having that kind of law talking about the gun control is not a bad thing. It is really dangerous depending on the person who hold the gun. If the person do not know how to hold and use the gun, there is really problem. I think having a law in terms of gun control is a good idea specially to the gun owner who doesn’t know how to use properly the thing they are holding, because they might use it unintentionally and intentionally.
legendary
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March 14, 2018, 02:02:54 PM
There's plenty we could do about mass shootings





Young de Jesus Cruz left 17 dead, dozens more injured.

Needless to say, even though teachers there were warned last year not to let this kid into school with a backpack, even though the FBI was warned as long ago as September that Cruz left a comment on YouTube site warning "I'm going to be a professional school shooter," few of the usual suspects in the media waited for any further data before shrieking (yet again) that the NRA and every Republican in Washington have "blood on their hands," etc.

CNN "news" host Chris Cuomo immediately stated the U.S. is the "scourge of the world."

"The president has the hashtag MAGA, Make America Great Again. He is supposed to be a change agent," Mr. Cuomo stormed. "We are the scourge of the world when it comes to these. Nobody is worse than we are. How does that not make the MAGA agenda?"


Read more at https://www.vinsuprynowicz.com/?p=6308.


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