What's your opinion of gun control? - page 65.

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Quote from: kirch on May 23, 2017, 07:36:06 PM

Gun is very restrict on my country. Nobody able to hold a gun without any valid license. If someone still want to do it, we have right to punish him/her into jail. I agree with that since when gun were being hold by criminals, our life are being at risk.
IMO, gun only for law enforcer not for civilian

Making license mandatory is not an issue. But the issue is that in some countries such as India, it is extremely difficult to get a license. You have to waste a lot of time and effort, in order to get a license.

Yes, in some countries obtaining a license is very problematic. While criminals can at any time attack with a gun on you without a license.

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Quote from: kirch on May 23, 2017, 07:36:06 PM

Gun is very restrict on my country. Nobody able to hold a gun without any valid license. If someone still want to do it, we have right to punish him/her into jail. I agree with that since when gun were being hold by criminals, our life are being at risk.
IMO, gun only for law enforcer not for civilian

Making license mandatory is not an issue. But the issue is that in some countries such as India, it is extremely difficult to get a license. You have to waste a lot of time and effort, in order to get a license.

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Gun is very restrict on my country. Nobody able to hold a gun without any valid license. If someone still want to do it, we have right to punish him/her into jail. I agree with that since when gun were being hold by criminals, our life are being at risk.
IMO, gun only for law enforcer not for civilian

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Quote from: qurshmdkgd on May 22, 2017, 09:12:50 PM

It's not a gun or no gun thing, it's entirely dependent on culture. In most traditional western style european and european descendant countries, crime as a whole is low amongst those ethnic groups. The problem is either rooted in poverty or in increased crime by minorities.

See: Switzerland, Idaho, Wyoming for proper examples of nearly all-european regions with gun freedom and Chicago, LA, and Nigeria for non-european regions with restricted gun control.

It is the America gun freedom at the core of Government, and in action with the people, combined with the current world trade, that is keeping people in other nations free.

If America were not a big nation in world trade and military, many gun control nations would take over their citizens, formally, and make real slavery... or slaughter many of their people. Hitler was the example that proves this out.

The only basic reason the Hitler thing is not happening in the UK and much of Europe right now is, they have to keep face with America for trade and other reasons.

So, it is gun freedom that is keeping the world as free as it is. The UK gets a free ride to freedom, based on the fact that there is a whole lot of gun freedom in America.

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It's not a gun or no gun thing, it's entirely dependent on culture. In most traditional western style european and european descendant countries, crime as a whole is low amongst those ethnic groups. The problem is either rooted in poverty or in increased crime by minorities.

See: Switzerland, Idaho, Wyoming for proper examples of nearly all-european regions with gun freedom and Chicago, LA, and Nigeria for non-european regions with restricted gun control.

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Quote from: Russelmain on May 22, 2017, 03:48:48 PM

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Quote from: oegarod on May 21, 2017, 09:24:35 AM

Gun control is a must, because it has took the lives of lot many common people who are not into any bad deeds. The phycological impact on certain people make big loss of human lives which is just because of the gun usage. When one holds a gun he gets additional strength. This needs to be eradicated.

I think you forget another reason why people hold a gun, and why they can kill people, it is because they are protecting their family or themselves. Most people own a gun to add a power, but that power is not only to scare other people off, but to tell them that they have power of their own to protect themselves and their family.

I do not even know how to respond or react to the question of legalizing weapons for the population. What can I say, even in even more developed countries, even the police are working at the highest level and citizens feel more secure, following the example of the United States of America, even their citizens have a permit for weapons. Of course, the US has developed with weapons in the hands of the very education of this country, But today the civilized world and yet the weapons are among the citizens of the United States. So, it's time to talk about those countries where people really need protection from robberies and robbery by criminals and when the police are not able to resist crime, and in some cases she herself participates in such actions.

In those countries you are talking about there is no democracy or limited democracy. The government is afraid of armed citizens, and therefore will never be allowed to own a gun. For them human life has no meaning and therefore the robbers have the advantage.

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Quote from: Russelmain on May 22, 2017, 03:48:48 PM

Quote from: Janation on May 21, 2017, 03:28:01 PM

Quote from: oegarod on May 21, 2017, 09:24:35 AM

Gun control is a must, because it has took the lives of lot many common people who are not into any bad deeds. The phycological impact on certain people make big loss of human lives which is just because of the gun usage. When one holds a gun he gets additional strength. This needs to be eradicated.

I think you forget another reason why people hold a gun, and why they can kill people, it is because they are protecting their family or themselves. Most people own a gun to add a power, but that power is not only to scare other people off, but to tell them that they have power of their own to protect themselves and their family.

I do not even know how to respond or react to the question of legalizing weapons for the population. What can I say, even in even more developed countries, even the police are working at the highest level and citizens feel more secure, following the example of the United States of America, even their citizens have a permit for weapons. Of course, the US has developed with weapons in the hands of the very education of this country, But today the civilized world and yet the weapons are among the citizens of the United States. So, it's time to talk about those countries where people really need protection from robberies and robbery by criminals and when the police are not able to resist crime, and in some cases she herself participates in such actions.

Concealed carry in Arizona and a few other States needs no license. Crooks are aware of this, and are fearful of everyone enough to stop their criminal activities... because they don't know who is conceal carrying.

Because of this little feature alone, few people have to pack at all. Because it's roulette for the crook if he guesses wrong about his intended victim.

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Quote from: Janation on May 21, 2017, 03:28:01 PM

Quote from: oegarod on May 21, 2017, 09:24:35 AM

Gun control is a must, because it has took the lives of lot many common people who are not into any bad deeds. The phycological impact on certain people make big loss of human lives which is just because of the gun usage. When one holds a gun he gets additional strength. This needs to be eradicated.

I think you forget another reason why people hold a gun, and why they can kill people, it is because they are protecting their family or themselves. Most people own a gun to add a power, but that power is not only to scare other people off, but to tell them that they have power of their own to protect themselves and their family.

I do not even know how to respond or react to the question of legalizing weapons for the population. What can I say, even in even more developed countries, even the police are working at the highest level and citizens feel more secure, following the example of the United States of America, even their citizens have a permit for weapons. Of course, the US has developed with weapons in the hands of the very education of this country, But today the civilized world and yet the weapons are among the citizens of the United States. So, it's time to talk about those countries where people really need protection from robberies and robbery by criminals and when the police are not able to resist crime, and in some cases she herself participates in such actions.

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Quote from: oegarod on May 21, 2017, 09:24:35 AM

Gun control is a must, because it has took the lives of lot many common people who are not into any bad deeds. The phycological impact on certain people make big loss of human lives which is just because of the gun usage. When one holds a gun he gets additional strength. This needs to be eradicated.

I think you forget another reason why people hold a gun, and why they can kill people, it is because they are protecting their family or themselves. Most people own a gun to add a power, but that power is not only to scare other people off, but to tell them that they have power of their own to protect themselves and their family.

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Quote from: HOT_HEAD on May 21, 2017, 08:36:49 AM

People should be allowed to own a gun, but they should also be obligated to go through a tough program to see if they are fit to do so. Mental tests and trip to the psychiatrist for a certain period of time before it is determined whether or not the person would know when and how to use a gun.

There are a lot of cases where underage people have easy access to the firearms or where a person obviously got a gun to commit a crime, but didn't go through with it or failed in the process. For this, I recommend the same thing for any other crime at the similar level. Death penalty. Clean this world of people who cannot live in the society and then you won't have to worry about guns.

Guns are not the problem. No man-made object is the problem, but only the ones who use it in the wrong ways are. Get rid of bad people, get rid of gun problems.

Eugenics is the only way.

Eugenics is one way (and a harsh approach)...but with eugenics comes other problems. Like can someone use this in order to target innocent people that can be decided to be guilty (framed) and given the death penalty? Any government corruption in this process makes it break.

The root issue is what is causing the mental illness that leads to a violent outburst. Our society doesn't have a good solution for people in this situation, who have had terrible childhoods, and terrible support systems, parents or guardians that may have neglected their children and stunted their development. Our society ignores people like this, and doesn't dedicate the resources to care about troubled people enough to help them navigate through their personal issues. We tend to only give attention to these folks once the crime has been committed, but not before then.

With or without gun control, there will always be a black market for guns. So we should understand that anyone that wants access to a gun, with a few hundred bucks can get one. That's the sad truth. So any policy the government comes up with, will apply to those that go through the legal process to understand gun safety.

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Quote from: arifdadang34 on May 20, 2017, 11:13:47 PM

Of the 160 active shooting incidents identified by the FBI from 2000 to 2013, only one was stopped by an armed civilian.

An armed civilian breaking the self-defense-infringing law & bringing their gun into a "gun free zone", which violent criminals know is the only place safe for their active shooting incidents.

'Gun free zones' are a more safe place to stage phony 'psychological operation' events, but one still has to hope that some armed citizen who is not in on the fraud is not breaking the rules and packing in spite of the 'gun free zone' signs. And if they are, that they won't take any action.

The other problem is video footage. The hoaxes are picked apart by citizen analysts right away. To the degree possible the stages are controlled to limit this problem. Notice that at Roseberg the authorities formed exit queues and confiscated the electronics gear from anyone who had been in the general area. In a setting like a college campus is more practical to control information exchange.

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Gun control is a must, because it has took the lives of lot many common people who are not into any bad deeds. The phycological impact on certain people make big loss of human lives which is just because of the gun usage. When one holds a gun he gets additional strength. This needs to be eradicated.

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Quote from: HOT_HEAD on May 21, 2017, 08:36:49 AM

People should be allowed to own a gun, but they should also be obligated to go through a tough program to see if they are fit to do so. Mental tests and trip to the psychiatrist for a certain period of time before it is determined whether or not the person would know when and how to use a gun.

There are a lot of cases where underage people have easy access to the firearms or where a person obviously got a gun to commit a crime, but didn't go through with it or failed in the process. For this, I recommend the same thing for any other crime at the similar level. Death penalty. Clean this world of people who cannot live in the society and then you won't have to worry about guns.

Guns are not the problem. No man-made object is the problem, but only the ones who use it in the wrong ways are. Get rid of bad people, get rid of gun problems.

Eugenics is the only way.

You navigate to particular cases, but it happens very rarely. The police and military always have access to weapons, but in connection with great nervous stress they have frequent nervous breakdowns. You propose to deprive them of the right to arms? No it will not help.

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People should be allowed to own a gun, but they should also be obligated to go through a tough program to see if they are fit to do so. Mental tests and trip to the psychiatrist for a certain period of time before it is determined whether or not the person would know when and how to use a gun.

There are a lot of cases where underage people have easy access to the firearms or where a person obviously got a gun to commit a crime, but didn't go through with it or failed in the process. For this, I recommend the same thing for any other crime at the similar level. Death penalty. Clean this world of people who cannot live in the society and then you won't have to worry about guns.

Guns are not the problem. No man-made object is the problem, but only the ones who use it in the wrong ways are. Get rid of bad people, get rid of gun problems.

Eugenics is the only way.

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It seems to me that those who make the rules that the area is a gun free zone should be responsible that there had not infiltrated by criminals. If there is no such responsibility and of a zone free from weapons should not be.

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Quote from: TheButterZone on May 21, 2017, 03:36:48 AM

Quote from: arifdadang34 on May 20, 2017, 11:13:47 PM

Of the 160 active shooting incidents identified by the FBI from 2000 to 2013, only one was stopped by an armed civilian.

An armed civilian breaking the self-defense-infringing law & bringing their gun into a "gun free zone", which violent criminals know is the only place safe for their active shooting incidents.

That is the reason. Most of the mass shootings occur in the gun free zones, where the civilians are not permitted to carry their legally obtained firearms. In these places, the criminals are having the upper hand.

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Quote from: arifdadang34 on May 20, 2017, 11:13:47 PM

Of the 160 active shooting incidents identified by the FBI from 2000 to 2013, only one was stopped by an armed civilian.

An armed civilian breaking the self-defense-infringing law & bringing their gun into a "gun free zone", which violent criminals know is the only place safe for their active shooting incidents.

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^^^^^ The major point that this study shows is that society has not been using their right to freely arm and carry guns in public.

Get rid of cops (who are just people, btw) and train everyone to do the job. When this happens, all people will respect the property of other people, and will get permission to even walk up to the door of their neighbor's house. Bad guys will be a thing of the past.

Some of the safest places in the USA are residences where cops fear to go... usually black or hispanic residences. Guns are carried freely, there, and neighborhoods protect themselves and each other.

In the southern areas of Mexico, where the drug cartels thrive, the residences are protected by the cartels, and there is freedom.

Let the people of good old USA be their own cops. It will take time for them to get used to respecting each other again, but they will, and there will be peace.

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Most armed citizens fare worse than their police counterparts. In an independent study commissioned by the National Gun Victims Action Council, researchers put 77 participants with varying levels of firearms training through three realistic self-defense scenarios. In the first, seven of the participants shot an innocent bystander. Almost all of the participants in the first and second scenarios who engaged the “bad guy” were killed. And in the final scenario, 23% of the participants fired at a suspect who didn’t actually pose a threat.

Overwhelming empirical evidence corroborates the simulation. Of the 160 active shooting incidents identified by the FBI from 2000 to 2013, only one was stopped by an armed civilian. In comparison, two were stopped by off-duty police, four by armed guards and 21 by unarmed civilians.

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