What's your opinion of gun control? - page 62.

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Quote from: TomUyamot on June 06, 2017, 07:48:42 AM

I don't think civilians need guns, neither outside nor in their homes. Guns are only for those who have the permit, the license, the necessary training to handle them, the emotionally-fit, and so on. In other words, guns are only for those law enforcers.

Why should people other than them want to have one? Huh

To protect themselves against possible intrusion and the like? For personal protection? To keep their properties safe? You name it. The list goes on and on. Everyone can cite such reasons. And before you know it, everyone is keeping one, and tadaan! shooting news are everywhere.

Keep the guns away from the hands of people and there would be less violence.

May I know how old are you?

Learn how the world looked like before gunpowder was around, since you are of notion, that indidual human beings cant make decisions for themselves. Thos "law enforcers" are born as civilians too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycEZIbQqA8A

The war, an actual war would be more present - as is terrorism more present in Europe today, when in countries such as United Kingdom not even cops are issued with firearms.

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I don't think civilians need guns, neither outside nor in their homes. Guns are only for those who have the permit, the license, the necessary training to handle them, the emotionally-fit, and so on. In other words, guns are only for those law enforcers.

Why should people other than them want to have one? Huh

To protect themselves against possible intrusion and the like? For personal protection? To keep their properties safe? You name it. The list goes on and on. Everyone can cite such reasons. And before you know it, everyone is keeping one, and tadaan! shooting news are everywhere.

Keep the guns away from the hands of people and there would be less violence.

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Quote from: SingAlong on June 06, 2017, 07:21:20 AM

I strongly believe that every man has a right to protect themselves against to people who poses danger to them. Though I am in favor with gun control since the government should be serious about who should own a gun and those should not. But when you say banning guns then that would not be right since those people who received it (legally) undergo with the proper ways and needed skills with physical and mentally able.

But I believe that those who really want guns especially those who have a bad intention can acquire it without the approval of the government by hook or by crook. The issue really is to trace the origin of this unlicensed guns and put to justice those guys who have been selling it illegally.

Yes, you dont have to be a christian to inherently understand, that every organism by its nature will try to protect its life against agressor. The thing particular to guns (and why they are such big point of contention) is the fact, that they multiply force an individual is able to extert. Single woman can defend her family against gang of five, thats not possible with any other tool.

Guns can be made with equipment in garage, they are not Happy Potter sticks, but merely several pieces of metal setting off chemical reaction when fired. So you are right, they will continue to be made and their ban will merely exlude law abidding citizens from using them. Not terrorists or criminals.

Government regulation is indeed in place - nobody really needs immigrants, who just entered country or ex-criminals, who just left jail after previous violent behavior to be able to buy semiautomatic rifles.

Thats why I said to the guy before you: Being able to defend yourself is privilege, cherish it and protect. Others around the world were not so lucky, some (Swedish, Germans) even brainwashed into thinking, that its in their best interest to be completely at mercy of state and sociopaths at all times.

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Quote from: Okurkabinladin on June 06, 2017, 07:01:59 AM

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Quote from: Gelap on June 06, 2017, 02:42:32 AM

In my opinion.
Gun control is very good.
If it is not in control then every day there will be people dead due to guns.

Tightening or liberalization of the rules for obtaining a license for weapons is only for politicians. It is not possible to speak about the economy, they affect the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The weapon is an integral part of American society and never allow politicians to take it from the population.

I hope, that you are right, but never take your privileges for granted. Much of Europe used to be the same way, individual rights stripped away piece by piece by socialists.

Do you know, you would get arrested for pocket knife in Germany? Germany...

Trust me, liberal leftists are no better in America, than they are in Europe. They have the same aims.

Quote from: bittmattic on June 05, 2017, 12:05:30 PM

I'm all for protecting myself with guns against other people who might use guns against me

I agree, but its not just that.

"God made man but samuel colt made them equal."

Simple pistol can erase any advantage, that 300 pound attacker would have over 100 pound woman.

I strongly believe that every man has a right to protect themselves against to people who poses danger to them. Though I am in favor with gun control since the government should be serious about who should own a gun and those should not. But when you say banning guns then that would not be right since those people who received it (legally) undergo with the proper ways and needed skills with physical and mentally able.

But I believe that those who really want guns especially those who have a bad intention can acquire it without the approval of the government by hook or by crook. The issue really is to trace the origin of this unlicensed guns and put to justice those guys who have been selling it illegally.

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Quote from: Lieldoryn on June 06, 2017, 06:41:32 AM

Quote from: Gelap on June 06, 2017, 02:42:32 AM

In my opinion.
Gun control is very good.
If it is not in control then every day there will be people dead due to guns.

Tightening or liberalization of the rules for obtaining a license for weapons is only for politicians. It is not possible to speak about the economy, they affect the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The weapon is an integral part of American society and never allow politicians to take it from the population.

I hope, that you are right, but never take your privileges for granted. Much of Europe used to be the same way, individual rights stripped away piece by piece by socialists.

Do you know, you would get arrested for pocket knife in Germany? Germany...

Trust me, liberal leftists are no better in America, than they are in Europe. They have the same aims.

Quote from: bittmattic on June 05, 2017, 12:05:30 PM

I'm all for protecting myself with guns against other people who might use guns against me

I agree, but its not just that.

"God made man but samuel colt made them equal."

Simple pistol can erase any advantage, that 300 pound attacker would have over 100 pound woman.

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Quote from: Gelap on June 06, 2017, 02:42:32 AM

In my opinion.
Gun control is very good.
If it is not in control then every day there will be people dead due to guns.

Tightening or liberalization of the rules for obtaining a license for weapons is only for politicians. It is not possible to speak about the economy, they affect the second amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The weapon is an integral part of American society and never allow politicians to take it from the population.

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In my opinion.
Gun control is very good.
If it is not in control then every day there will be people dead due to guns.

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Quote from: tvbcof on June 05, 2017, 11:23:56 AM

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Quote from: VadikZimnyayaRezina on June 05, 2017, 08:47:27 AM

Quote from: Lampaster on June 05, 2017, 07:41:58 AM

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Should be able to keep a small gun for safety reasons, but I think the owner should get checked up on his psychological history etc before allowing him to get one.

And what will happen if the owner of the weapon will get mental disorder after receiving a license for the right to keep and bear arms? Is the same and so. It is impossible to prevent everything, but if guns save lives then it should be.

So you need to go to the doctor every six months and confirm that the weapon holder has not lost his mind during this time. But this is too complicated and does not give any guarantees. The right to own weapons is a very complex issue

The right to own should be complex to avoid any incident like shooting incident on cinemas, malls, schools, and recently casinos. It is okay to put all the aspirant to have guns to be checked regularly but maybe not every 6 months. Every year or every renewal of right to own is okay and the person should undergo the psycho test. But as you said it will not still guarantees that the holder will not do any illegal matters.

Let's see. Say 10% of the population owns a gun. Rounding down, say, 30,000,000 people. A 'check' is going to require several people and at least one with some law enforcement experience for safety reasons. Let's say they average 1 check per hour (which seems highly optimistic to me in noting how government employees and their contractors tend to work.) That's 8 checks per day. The back of my envelope reads a cost of about $6,000,000,000. Six Billion dollars per year.

This doesn't include the 'psycho tests'. It also doesn't include medical care for people who get their asses shot off by either showing up at someones door demanding to inventory their guns, or the people who get their asses shot off by the swat team because they shot the bureaucrats ass off in the first place.

And in my country there is already talk about not only storing but also carrying a firearm with a comma, but only to all law enforcement officers and even former employees. But not one Civil this right will not have.

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I'm all for protecting myself with guns against other people who might use guns against me

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Quote from: Xester on June 05, 2017, 09:07:38 AM

Quote from: VadikZimnyayaRezina on June 05, 2017, 08:47:27 AM

Quote from: Lampaster on June 05, 2017, 07:41:58 AM

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Should be able to keep a small gun for safety reasons, but I think the owner should get checked up on his psychological history etc before allowing him to get one.

And what will happen if the owner of the weapon will get mental disorder after receiving a license for the right to keep and bear arms? Is the same and so. It is impossible to prevent everything, but if guns save lives then it should be.

So you need to go to the doctor every six months and confirm that the weapon holder has not lost his mind during this time. But this is too complicated and does not give any guarantees. The right to own weapons is a very complex issue

The right to own should be complex to avoid any incident like shooting incident on cinemas, malls, schools, and recently casinos. It is okay to put all the aspirant to have guns to be checked regularly but maybe not every 6 months. Every year or every renewal of right to own is okay and the person should undergo the psycho test. But as you said it will not still guarantees that the holder will not do any illegal matters.

Let's see. Say 10% of the population owns a gun. Rounding down, say, 30,000,000 people. A 'check' is going to require several people and at least one with some law enforcement experience for safety reasons. Let's say they average 1 check per hour (which seems highly optimistic to me in noting how government employees and their contractors tend to work.) That's 8 checks per day. The back of my envelope reads a cost of about $6,000,000,000. Six Billion dollars per year.

This doesn't include the 'psycho tests'. It also doesn't include medical care for people who get their asses shot off by either showing up at someones door demanding to inventory their guns, or the people who get their asses shot off by the swat team because they shot the bureaucrats ass off in the first place.

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Today in the Australian Melbourne explosion and fire in one of the houses. Police found in the foyer of a housing complex shot and killed a man. Then the shooting happened. The gunman wounded two police officers, took a hostage and barricaded in one of apartments. And this despite the fact that in Australia it is forbidden to have weapons. If they lived in America they would have a chance to survive.

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Quote from: VadikZimnyayaRezina on June 05, 2017, 08:47:27 AM

Quote from: Lampaster on June 05, 2017, 07:41:58 AM

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Should be able to keep a small gun for safety reasons, but I think the owner should get checked up on his psychological history etc before allowing him to get one.

And what will happen if the owner of the weapon will get mental disorder after receiving a license for the right to keep and bear arms? Is the same and so. It is impossible to prevent everything, but if guns save lives then it should be.

So you need to go to the doctor every six months and confirm that the weapon holder has not lost his mind during this time. But this is too complicated and does not give any guarantees. The right to own weapons is a very complex issue

The right to own should be complex to avoid any incident like shooting incident on cinemas, malls, schools, and recently casinos. It is okay to put all the aspirant to have guns to be checked regularly but maybe not every 6 months. Every year or every renewal of right to own is okay and the person should undergo the psycho test. But as you said it will not still guarantees that the holder will not do any illegal matters.

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In the USA in the State of Florida there was a firing, is reported about "the numerous victims". Reports office of the sheriff of the city of Orlando about it.
"The staff of office of the sheriff works at the scene, the situation is taken under control. There are numerous victims. The sheriff will give additional information as soon as possible" — it is said in the message of police on Twitter.
According to CNN, firing has happened in one of industrial zones in the suburbs. Around firing several streets are blocked, the police has gathered on the parking near the warehouses located near the place of an incident.

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Quote from: Lampaster on June 05, 2017, 07:41:58 AM

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Should be able to keep a small gun for safety reasons, but I think the owner should get checked up on his psychological history etc before allowing him to get one.

And what will happen if the owner of the weapon will get mental disorder after receiving a license for the right to keep and bear arms? Is the same and so. It is impossible to prevent everything, but if guns save lives then it should be.

So you need to go to the doctor every six months and confirm that the weapon holder has not lost his mind during this time. But this is too complicated and does not give any guarantees. The right to own weapons is a very complex issue

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Should be able to keep a small gun for safety reasons, but I think the owner should get checked up on his psychological history etc before allowing him to get one.

And what will happen if the owner of the weapon will get mental disorder after receiving a license for the right to keep and bear arms? Is the same and so. It is impossible to prevent everything, but if guns save lives then it should be.

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See what is happening in Europe right now, terrorists don't need to use guns to kill people. They will just use cars/trucks and then slaughter bystanders with long knives.
It is really sad and bit of funny that we have policemen armed only with nightsticks to battle them.
So here is my short conclusion: If terrorists knew that society is armed with guns they wouldn't be so eager to strike.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 30, 2017, 07:57:30 PM

Quote from: Deathmist on May 30, 2017, 06:49:32 PM

In my opinion, they should do tests before giving someone weapon license. Because there is a case like Eliot Rodger's one, I mean how can you let a mentally disturbed guy own a gun?

They went a step beyond that in Arizona and some other States. In AZ you don't even have to have a license for concealed carry.

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With this approach to gun crime there is 22% less than in the States where it is forbidden to carry weapons.There are cities of Chicago, new York, Washington, Detroit, Washington where the weapon cannot have both. These cities are home to only 6 % of the population. And committed 20 % of all us murders!

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Quote from: tikboyhere on June 04, 2017, 09:11:12 PM

Gun control should implement strictly to the world because gun is built to kill someone. Though it can be form of self defense there are authorities that will be responsible to judge these bad people. I still believe that there are always reason for living and as long as we live, change is always an option. But make sure there is no drugs involved because it will cook your mind. And as a result you will not be able to think and to change for your future. Gun is evil it never been good because it kills people. Im also against if it will put as a hobby. But then again this is just my opinion.

How do you implement gun control against those who have guns? Do you attack them with sticks and stones?

If you attack them with guns and win, will you really willingly destroy your own guns like you destroyed theirs?

You sound like a world control freak.

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Quote from: tikboyhere on June 04, 2017, 09:11:12 PM

Gun control should implement strictly to the world because gun is built to kill someone. Though it can be form of self defense there are authorities that will be responsible to judge these bad people. I still believe that there are always reason for living and as long as we live, change is always an option. But make sure there is no drugs involved because it will cook your mind. And as a result you will not be able to think and to change for your future. Gun is evil it never been good because it kills people. Im also against if it will put as a hobby. But then again this is just my opinion.

We must also take into account the fact that we have a very active outbreak of crime at the domestic level. And if legalize the weapon, then it will necessarily be applied in solving family problems. I think that family violence will only raise its level if the eyebrows are legalized.

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Gun control should implement strictly to the world because gun is built to kill someone. Though it can be form of self defense there are authorities that will be responsible to judge these bad people. I still believe that there are always reason for living and as long as we live, change is always an option. But make sure there is no drugs involved because it will cook your mind. And as a result you will not be able to think and to change for your future. Gun is evil it never been good because it kills people. Im also against if it will put as a hobby. But then again this is just my opinion.

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