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I've seen some recommendations to go to the altcointalks.com forum.
This is fun, bitcoin services are moving to the altcoin forum, while on the Bitcoin forum, we can't defend against alt/nft/token spam.

Quote from: hugeblack on December 02, 2023, 04:38:14 AM

The most important question is, will some mixing services make fundamental modifications to be compatible with the changes that have occurred to the forum?

I don't know how this will be feasible, because each of them has forbidden words in the domain name. mixtum, unijoin, mixero, tumbler, yomix... The only thing is that they do everything from the beginning, which means throwing away everything they have invested in their brand so far.

Interestingly, one of the few whose name was not associated with the Bitcoin mixer is Sinbad, who was sanctioned.

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Probably x.com or Facebook, Google ads?
No? why not? As far as I can see, those services do not even verify what they show in their ads. There was a thread in this forum where someone posted that x.com approved scam or phishing ads. I have seen many times that they do not verify the services. Scammers promote their services through social media. They care about money only.

So, as long as mixers have money to advertise, it won't be hard to continue advertising. But the problem they may face is, they have to find a targeted audience. Everyone is not Bitcoin users on social media.

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Yeah I understand the mixers can still promote their projects through Google ads, social medias, someone else articles etc, but unfortunately I don't think they're legit. They're not like Bitcointalk when there's someone get scammed, people will know if the site is scam. They can use trustpilot or attacking their social medias, but I don't trust stranger.

If the site is using weird domain e.g. g00dmixer.com or greatmlxer.com, I know it must be phishing.

But if the domain looks legit enough e.g. goodmixer.com or greatmixer.com, I have no way to make sure it's legit or scam except they're a copycat.

Quote from: ABCbits on December 02, 2023, 05:24:25 AM

There are few decentralized place such as Nostr. Although i've no idea how mixers should promote their service on such place while remain on-topic on place they visit.

Interesting, but I don't really sure if such place can be used to promote a project, not user friendly and much more like discussing a news. If I want to add, maybe Stacker News is another option.

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I have some spare hosting capacity at Hostinger that I could allocate for this project, but I need to check to make sure my hosting account won't get banned for that (LOL!)

Hostinger is not a good idea, have much more look in depth. There are tons of pirate websites in Russia and it looks like Russian government is more than open to allow someone to host something that has a negative impact or is against the US policy. It would be wiser to use Russian local host that will allow this but it wont' be easy to find if you don't understand Russian.

Isn't Russia trying to pass a regulation to require people to submit their ID before they can buy a VPS?

Russia is Russia. Russia isn't trying to pass any regulation, if Putin wants, it will be done without like trying to get votes Cheesy

Also, if you know someone and can pay, you can feel free to bypass the law. Russia is not Denmark, Norway or Sweden. What do you think, will Russian pirate websites go down if they require from people to submit their ID before they can buy a VPS? There are professional studios in Russia that make dubs on pirated content. No offense but Russia is really a different beast when it comes to laws and law protection Cheesy

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I have some spare hosting capacity at Hostinger that I could allocate for this project, but I need to check to make sure my hosting account won't get banned for that (LOL!)

Hostinger is not a good idea, have much more look in depth. There are tons of pirate websites in Russia and it looks like Russian government is more than open to allow someone to host something that has a negative impact or is against the US policy. It would be wiser to use Russian local host that will allow this but it wont' be easy to find if you don't understand Russian.

Isn't Russia trying to pass a regulation to require people to submit their ID before they can buy a VPS?

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Quote from: Solosanz on December 01, 2023, 09:25:30 AM

After read this thread Mixers to be banned, there's a question popped into my head.

Which site or forum that these centralized mixers will promote their projects? Cheesy

Or these mixers will don't have any medias to promote except volunteering by themselves? maybe hire someone who willing to shills/spams?

AFAIK there's no rule to promote other site or forum in Bitcointalk, maybe if someone know about decentralized place, feel free to suggest and it might help the mixers. Grin

The ban of Mixers will expose the mixers to other alternatives ways of marketing and this time, it might be exploited for negative reasons.

Firstly, the chief eason why it's been banned might become the major reason why it will be accommodated elsewhere.

The concerns stated by the Feds have further opened up channels through which it can be used. Most people didn't know that mixers existed in the first place. And now they know it can also be used for negative reasons, this is more than an awareness campaign if you ask me

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Quote from: Solosanz on December 01, 2023, 09:25:30 AM

After read this thread Mixers to be banned, there's a question popped into my head.

Which site or forum that these centralized mixers will promote their projects? Cheesy

Or these mixers will don't have any medias to promote except volunteering by themselves? maybe hire someone who willing to shills/spams?

AFAIK there's no rule to promote other site or forum in Bitcointalk, maybe if someone know about decentralized place, feel free to suggest and it might help the mixers. Grin

As long as they have a market they will continue to exist and as long as there are communities and platforms where they can drop and lay out their mixing service, mixer users will look for them, the only problem users will face is finding the legit Bitcoin mixer to fake ones, in the case of Sinbad the issue is there are too many fake sites and phishing sites imitating them.

If you Google the word Bitcoin mixer you will see many reviewers and bloggers, reviewing and blogging about them they will always have platforms to advertise as long as there are platforms that will accept payment to advertise and review their service, if the authorities become aggressive in persecuting these mixers that will be time that their visibility will be limited.

And as long as the general belief is Crypto mixers are not inherently illegal, and as long as there's a market for this tool.

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I have not found a clearnet forum that is worthy of being a competitor of bitcointalk except reddit.

Quote from: Synchronice on December 02, 2023, 05:02:31 AM

To be honest, I think that Lazarus group is a fictional group. It doesn't make sense for North Korea to have so talented hackers, even if they are protected by the government, it still doesn't make sense if we keep in mind the philosophy of that country. Also, Lazarus group has so much money and so many talented people, they could run their own mixer/coinjoin services instead of using someone else's.

I kind of agree with this, I think it's just a result of investigators' inability to track crimes, why not just say that these criminals are in extreme areas that they can't access. Or (random thingking), it's actually a concocted "project" to confiscate the multimillion dollar money resstrained in a mixer.

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Quote from: Solosanz on December 01, 2023, 09:25:30 AM

maybe if someone know about decentralized place, feel free to suggest and it might help the mixers. Grin

There are few decentralized place such as Nostr. Although i've no idea how mixers should promote their service on such place while remain on-topic on place they visit.

Quote from: aioc on December 01, 2023, 11:19:42 AM

Google is not banning mixers and platforms that review and advertise mixers so a user will just have to type the word mixer, unless Google filters out mixer keywords and platforms that advertise and promote mixers, you can still find them here in the mainnet not only on the darknet and other online communities discuss and promote mixers like Reddit.

It wouldn't be fun job for those who tasked to perform SEO, they'll have to compete with other and fake mixers for top search result while remain looking convincing.

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on December 01, 2023, 05:08:23 PM

There should be mixers monitoring sites like BestChange. So everyone would get the services from there, but it will be hard since Mixer won't offer any affiliates for that.

No, mixers offer affiliate marketing. For example, YoMix and Tumber have an affiliate marketing that you can check on their website.

Quote from: Darker45 on December 01, 2023, 11:25:01 PM

Words spread fast these days. How do you think did the Lazarus group hear about Blender, Tornado Cash, Chipmixer, Sinbad, and others? Bitcointalk.org? I don't think so.

It's not as if this forum is the last bastion for all these players, not even in the surface web. And the surface web isn't probably the playground for the likes of this group. The deep web and the dark web are a wider playground for them. I think news about a new mixer would spread out pretty quick in those areas.

To be honest, I think that Lazarus group is a fictional group. It doesn't make sense for North Korea to have so talented hackers, even if they are protected by the government, it still doesn't make sense if we keep in mind the philosophy of that country. Also, Lazarus group has so much money and so many talented people, they could run their own mixer/coinjoin services instead of using someone else's.

Quote from: NotATether on December 02, 2023, 03:05:30 AM

I have some spare hosting capacity at Hostinger that I could allocate for this project, but I need to check to make sure my hosting account won't get banned for that (LOL!)

Hostinger is not a good idea, have much more look in depth. There are tons of pirate websites in Russia and it looks like Russian government is more than open to allow someone to host something that has a negative impact or is against the US policy. It would be wiser to use Russian local host that will allow this but it wont' be easy to find if you don't understand Russian.

Quote from: NotATether on December 02, 2023, 03:05:30 AM

Obviously, no links to dead mixers, no Sinbad or other darknet sites, only the mainstream mixers.

It's a bold statement to say no Sinbad or other darknet sites. In the end, every mixer will get the label that Sinbad got recently. It's me who thinks that I shouldn't be punished if I want to protect my privacy because others abuse this service.

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I do not think that ads on Google will ban such services, and perhaps to a lesser extent some social media, but in the end the forum was the best place because of the presence of a large database and the ease of making payments in Bitcoin, so that there is a guarantee of some kind of privacy, while most other places will need to pay either through traditional methods or The database will be smaller than the current one.

The most important question is, will some mixing services make fundamental modifications to be compatible with the changes that have occurred to the forum?

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on December 01, 2023, 05:08:23 PM

There should be mixers monitoring sites like BestChange. So everyone would get the services from there, but it will be hard since Mixer won't offer any affiliates for that.

This is a good idea! Not really sure but I believe there are some mixers which have affiliate programs and reward users for attracting new customers.

I have some spare hosting capacity at Hostinger that I could allocate for this project, but I need to check to make sure my hosting account won't get banned for that (LOL!)

Obviously, no links to dead mixers, no Sinbad or other darknet sites, only the mainstream mixers.

I'm a bit concerned about posting an affiliate link though, because that opens up a whole new avenue of litigation (that merely advertisement does not).

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Words spread fast these days. How do you think did the Lazarus group hear about Blender, Tornado Cash, Chipmixer, Sinbad, and others? Bitcointalk.org? I don't think so.

It's not as if this forum is the last bastion for all these players, not even in the surface web. And the surface web isn't probably the playground for the likes of this group. The deep web and the dark web are a wider playground for them. I think news about a new mixer would spread out pretty quick in those areas.

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Quote from: Solosanz on December 01, 2023, 09:25:30 AM

After read this thread Mixers to be banned, there's a question popped into my head.

Which site or forum that these centralized mixers promote their projects? Cheesy

It's not a question of where to promote as long as Google is not banning Bitcoin mixers and the authorities are not requesting or instructing domain registrar and hosting to host these Bitcoin mixers they will continue to exist, Bitcointalk is just one of the platforms out of hundred platforms like Reddit, forums and reviewers they will still have a presence, the question is how users are going to find out about which Bitcoin mixers are legit and are not because Bitcointalk is a place where you can discover legit websites.
There are so many fake mixers on the internet and Bitcointalk is a place where they expose, because this is a discussion community their presence will still be felt because it has a huge market

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on December 01, 2023, 05:08:23 PM

There should be mixers monitoring sites like BestChange.

Interesting. I believe some of such site exist in the darkweb. The problem is finding them.

The clearnet is just a tip of the iceberg compared to the dark web. The problem with the dark web is that it's just too wild for a normal user. Lots of all kinds of things there.

Quote from: The Cryptovator on December 01, 2023, 05:08:23 PM

.... So everyone would get the services from there, but it will be hard since Mixer won't offer any affiliates for that.

They would be forced to create affiliate programs since there are no more bitcointalk signature campaigns. In fact, I think I have seen some mixers with affiliate programs.

Also, just because Bitcointalk has banned signature campaigns for mixers does not mean an end to them on the clearnet. There are sites like Quora, Reddit, guru99.com, YouTube, Yahoo Finance etc

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Quote from: The Cryptovator on December 01, 2023, 05:08:23 PM

There should be mixers monitoring sites like BestChange. So everyone would get the services from there, but it will be hard since Mixer won't offer any affiliates for that.

This is a good idea! Not really sure but I believe there are some mixers which have affiliate programs and reward users for attracting new customers.
Maybe someone will do it for free without expecting any return or can add an address for donations!
The real question is where the monitoring site owner is going to promote this website? He definitely won't be able to promote it on this forum as even linking to a website that links to a mixer is prohibited according to the new rules.

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There should be mixers monitoring sites like BestChange. So everyone would get the services from there, but it will be hard since Mixer won't offer any affiliates for that. However, they can still promote mixers in other forums, or they might run ads where it is accepted. But for users who want to use real services, they would be hard to find. Scammers will take advantage of disabling mixer services. Also, there are many mixer campaigns ongoing, and many forum users are related to them. So everyone will lose their campaigns. But we have to follow the forum rules anyway.

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For legitimate mixers it will be much more difficult to promote their services. It's not just Bitcointalk, but in general, mixers now aren't welcomed on most of mainstream websites. I'm not sure that they can buy ads on Google, Youtube, Twitter or Facebook. Maybe Telegram is still an option for them, but when there is so many scams there, it's far from being perfect place. Same about Darknet. I'm sure that number of scams related with mixers is going to increase significantly, but as I understand that you won't be even allowed to make scam accusation about mixer on Bitcointalk.

Quote from: CaptainLance on December 01, 2023, 09:43:31 AM

Plus, a person who knows what a mixer is, definitely knows how to google search a legitimate mixing service.

You have way too good opinion about people.

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Maybe they will turn to forums > bitcoinforum.com but I'm not sure the mixer will do promotions there. Grin

After knowing this maybe the mixer platforms will try to find a way to advertise again with some other forums or they can hire influencers to promote.

In the future we will know they announced about this advertisement, or maybe they will switch from mixer to BTC > XMR > BTC exchange platform as mentioned in that thread.

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Google is not banning mixers and platforms that review and advertise mixers so a user will just have to type the word mixer, unless Google filters out mixer keywords and platforms that advertise and promote mixers, you can still find them here in the mainnet not only on the darknet and other online communities discuss and promote mixers like Reddit.

Maybe in the future when US authorities request the major search engines to ban Mixers from showing up in search queries and request domain registrar and hosting to ban mixers that will be the time that we will not see mixers on the internet only on the darknet.

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