Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ? - page 3.

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Quote from: Majestic-milf on December 02, 2022, 03:13:36 AM

Frankly Elon's plan to make Twitter a freedom of speech platform is sorely failing because he's proving that free speech at all costs is a dangerous fantasy.

The plan to revive banned accounts has been on and on but it seems there's still some secret suspension of accounts going on. Take Kanye (Ye) account for instance. I thought by now there'd be no banning or suspending?

Well these "muh freedom of speech" people including Elon Musk didn't know that Twitter already had tried hard core free speech but at some point it comes to the point where the platform is enabling criminal activity and there's no way old or new twitter take that risk financiallty. People give Elon way too much credit of having any kind of plan. He just likes to talk big and hope someone will do what he says when he pays enough for him.

Also there's no backers with Ye any more, he has outcrazied Alex Jones and that's something like from guiness book of records.

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Frankly Elon's plan to make Twitter a freedom of speech platform is sorely failing because he's proving that free speech at all costs is a dangerous fantasy.

The plan to revive banned accounts has been on and on but it seems there's still some secret suspension of accounts going on. Take Kanye (Ye) account for instance. I thought by now there'd be no banning or suspending?

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Quote from: o48o on November 30, 2022, 12:55:43 PM

Quote from: bitgov on November 26, 2022, 06:47:07 PM

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I think he is doing this to know which people are needed and which are not.

I admire your optimism to still think that he has a plan of some sort. May i remind you that this is the guy who in the end he didn't even want to buy Twitter, he just had to unless he wanted to pay $1 Billion breakup fee because he couldn't control his ego in the first place. Hashtag masterplan.

"Because he couldn't control his ego in the first place.", I think you made a good point. The image that Elon has created or tried to present to the public is definitely evolving and we can never know if his next move is 100% rational or not. He might regret what he just said 10 minutes ago but his ego may hold him back to admit or correct it. Who knows with that much wealth and power, what he was thinking about. He probably is thinking more about how to make a not-so-bad ending rather than fix more problems consuming most of his time and money betting on something he might lose control.

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Quote from: bitgov on November 26, 2022, 06:47:07 PM

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I think he is doing this to know which people are needed and which are not.

I admire your optimism to still think that he has a plan of some sort. May i remind you that this is the guy who in the end he didn't even want to buy Twitter, he just had to unless he wanted to pay $1 Billion breakup fee because he couldn't control his ego in the first place. Hashtag masterplan.

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So predictable...

Quote from: https://twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1597054231705313281

Quote from: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/11/china-bots-flood-twitter-with-porn-spam-to-drown-protest-news/

A former Twitter employee told The Post that what Stamos’ team observed is a common tactic used by authoritarian regimes to reduce access to news. Normally, Twitter’s anti-propaganda team would have manually taken down the accounts, that former employee said. But like many other teams hit by Twitter layoffs, firings, and resignations, that team has been heavily reduced.

Free speech for communist bots, great job, Elon. The party is proud of you.

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Quote from: Cryptock on November 25, 2022, 05:48:05 AM

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Quote from: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 06:50:54 PM

Firing workers is normal in a company during times of economic hardship. It is also expected when a new owner takes over. Musk is just cutting the workforce to what is needed and what is needed only. Meta laid off nearly 15% of its workforce this year. Around 11000 workers. I don't think Musk is firing people based on political beliefs. However, it is important that a new employer maintains the trust of his/her new workers if going forward the company is to be a success. I think Musk may have lost some vital staff who resigned following the massive cuts of the "non-essential staff". This is where he has messed up.

Just to clarify, I was responding to another user saying that Elon fired "socialists". I don't know if he actually did that. To paraphrase Hanlon, I'd say we shouldn't attribute to political motivation that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

today I read post stating - Elon Musk fired 75% of the Indian and then tweeted " Namaste "
What does that mean? Why is he so much against India. I think he would not want to have an asian in his company.

but firing 75% of Indians surly shows Musk is racist - there is no second opinion about it.

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Quote from: o48o on November 25, 2022, 11:14:39 AM

Quote from: Cryptock on November 25, 2022, 05:48:05 AM

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today I read post stating - Elon Musk fired 75% of the Indian and then tweeted " Namaste "
What does that mean? Why is he so much against India. I think he would not want to have an asian in his company.

I don't think that he has anything against indians specifically, he has been erratic the whole time and cut work force fast where ever he can. And if you have been following what he does, he doesn't seem to act in any way rationally in other areas either.

Saying "namaste" and things like "let that sink in" are just his way blurting out things he think are smart and funny, and as his fanbois response positively they uphold his own image of him being hilarious. Because that's what he wants; to look like clever, edgy and eccentric, which just says how much he is not any of them.

Coming to 50 from approx 4000 is one of the ways he has proved that he can reduce the cost of wages by throwing the most of the worker evern the security staff.
They were locked inside the office and he called the security official back to get them out of the of the office.
I think he is doing this to know which people are needed and which are not.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 23, 2022, 07:32:39 PM

Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?

Why, to Mars, of course. It will simply flitter its way there. Grin

Mmm...I guess the reception must be very good on Mars.😃

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Quote from: Cryptock on November 25, 2022, 05:48:05 AM

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today I read post stating - Elon Musk fired 75% of the Indian and then tweeted " Namaste "
What does that mean? Why is he so much against India. I think he would not want to have an asian in his company.

I don't think that he has anything against indians specifically, he has been erratic the whole time and cut work force fast where ever he can. And if you have been following what he does, he doesn't seem to act in any way rationally in other areas either.

Saying "namaste" and things like "let that sink in" are just his way blurting out things he think are smart and funny, and as his fanbois response positively they uphold his own image of him being hilarious. Because that's what he wants; to look like clever, edgy and eccentric, which just says how much he is not any of them.

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Quote from: suchmoon on November 23, 2022, 09:43:41 PM

Quote from: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 06:50:54 PM

Firing workers is normal in a company during times of economic hardship. It is also expected when a new owner takes over. Musk is just cutting the workforce to what is needed and what is needed only. Meta laid off nearly 15% of its workforce this year. Around 11000 workers. I don't think Musk is firing people based on political beliefs. However, it is important that a new employer maintains the trust of his/her new workers if going forward the company is to be a success. I think Musk may have lost some vital staff who resigned following the massive cuts of the "non-essential staff". This is where he has messed up.

Just to clarify, I was responding to another user saying that Elon fired "socialists". I don't know if he actually did that. To paraphrase Hanlon, I'd say we shouldn't attribute to political motivation that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

today I read post stating - Elon Musk fired 75% of the Indian and then tweeted " Namaste "
What does that mean? Why is he so much against India. I think he would not want to have an asian in his company.

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Quote from: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 06:50:54 PM

Firing workers is normal in a company during times of economic hardship. It is also expected when a new owner takes over. Musk is just cutting the workforce to what is needed and what is needed only. Meta laid off nearly 15% of its workforce this year. Around 11000 workers. I don't think Musk is firing people based on political beliefs. However, it is important that a new employer maintains the trust of his/her new workers if going forward the company is to be a success. I think Musk may have lost some vital staff who resigned following the massive cuts of the "non-essential staff". This is where he has messed up.

Just to clarify, I was responding to another user saying that Elon fired "socialists". I don't know if he actually did that. To paraphrase Hanlon, I'd say we shouldn't attribute to political motivation that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

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Where would Twitter go after its takeover by Elon Musk ?

Why, to Mars, of course. It will simply flitter its way there. Grin

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Quote from: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 06:50:54 PM

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I think Twitter has the capacity to be on par with Meta. It is really the largest global forum where even government officials communicate. You don't see that with Facebook. Adding an encrypted messaging system and a payment system would transform it into a very useful site/app. So marketcap wise I would say similar to Meta which at its peak was worth 1 trillion.

Yeah it has a change, not under current leadership imho but who knows who elon wants twitter to team up with next, that could change things. And if elon starts to take care of his staff differently. He wants geniuses to JOIN twitter, not to laugh at their draconian leadership style. Because people rather work in somewhere they are respected and taken care of rather then somewhere which is purely for making money and doesn't add meaning to life. Athmosphere is an investment too and Elon seem to see that only as an expense.

However if everything goes well and they want to compete with facebook, they need groups, galleries and events like in fb. Because that's all what's keeping people any more. People have gone for instagram, and families rather chat in their own telegram/whatsapp groups.

Reddit is basically only social media different enough that i can't see anyone challenging. It has eaten most of the forums and still continues to grow unopposed.

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Quote from: suchmoon on November 22, 2022, 07:01:24 PM

I'm not following. Do you think Twitter was censoring because it employed "socialists"? There were rules in place and people got banned for violating them. If you think those rules were "socialist", then shouldn't said rules be changed instead of firing people based on political beliefs? Last I heard Elon was going to convene some sort of diverse moderation council but then he went ahead and unbanned Trump/MTG/Kanye/etc without any council, and AFAIK the rules haven't changed either.

Firing workers is normal in a company during times of economic hardship. It is also expected when a new owner takes over. Musk is just cutting the workforce to what is needed and what is needed only. Meta laid off nearly 15% of its workforce this year. Around 11000 workers. I don't think Musk is firing people based on political beliefs. However, it is important that a new employer maintains the trust of his/her new workers if going forward the company is to be a success. I think Musk may have lost some vital staff who resigned following the massive cuts of the "non-essential staff". This is where he has messed up.

Quote from: o48o on November 23, 2022, 05:07:14 PM

Well it would be very different company then.
But just out of interested, what do you see the target marketcap being?

I think Twitter has the capacity to be on par with Meta. It is really the largest global forum where even government officials communicate. You don't see that with Facebook. Adding an encrypted messaging system and a payment system would transform it into a very useful site/app. So marketcap wise I would say similar to Meta which at its peak was worth 1 trillion.

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Quote from: Poker Player on November 23, 2022, 10:01:41 AM

By the way I don't have a twitter account, and I don't care if Musk goes bankrupt, makes money or sticks a SpaceX rocket up his ass and blows himself up but it's clear to me that what bothers many of you is that opinions you don't like are not going to be censored.

Doesn't make any sense. Why would I, or others you accuse of this, participate here on Bitcointalk where opinions are not censored, but not on Twitter that allegedly has the censorship that I/we allegedly prefer?

Every website/app/etc has its rules of usage, including Bitcointalk and Twitter. They decide what kind of content is allowed and how those rules are enforced. I don't like Twitter's approach, before Elon and moreso after Elon, but my dislike simply means that I don't use it. It's puzzling that allegedly pro-free-speech folks try to make Twitter to change its rules and/or enforcement thereof. Seems counterproductive and quite a slippery slope too.

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Quote from: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 04:17:44 PM

Quote from: o48o on November 22, 2022, 01:58:27 PM

I think this is a good direction for twitter. He is merging Twitter into something that enables Whatsapp-like chats which still maintaining the forum-type nature of Twitter. In the end, I think it is going to look similar to Facebook, but the big difference would be free-speech and the very useful in-app payment system he has suggested.

Good luck for Elon with finding any advertisers when then this thing turns out full blown 4chan free speech mode.

Quote from: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 04:17:44 PM

And perhaps Twitter would be able to do what Meta was not and properly initiate the metaverse which is obviously the next stage of online interaction. Also noting Musk's past interest in bitcoin/dogecoin, Twitter may even become a force for Web3.

I wouldn't count on that.

Remember how tesla bought $1.5 billion worth cryptos, and told that tesla won't sell them, and you can buy from tesla with bitcoin and at the same year he suddenly says that pow is bad and tesla won't be accepting bitcoin, and soon after that they dumped 75% of it around $2 Billion worth to markets?
Like he just learned about PoW? While same time praising Doge that was PoW too.

And this year tesla sold almost rest of their cryptos, nearly $1B worth it.
Elon has said that he won't be selling his personal crypto, so i might give him a year after he announces he did.

Quote from: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 04:17:44 PM

To be honest, I never invested in Twitter before (wish I had before he bought it!!!) but if the company was publicly traded right now, I would definitely invest.

Well it would be very different company then.
But just out of interested, what do you see the target marketcap being?

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Quote from: o48o on November 22, 2022, 01:58:27 PM

Apparently listing signal founder is a new twist in this. I wonder if he is just planning to buy signal as well or is he just asking for technical help as he doesn't have a clue if any of this could work. And why an earth we need to fuse twitter with signal-type chat? It's like he doesn't realize that it's working already, and open source and free.

But looks like he is admitting that he is planning to kill twitter as it is. Good riddance.

I think this is a good direction for twitter. He is merging Twitter into something that enables Whatsapp-like chats which still maintaining the forum-type nature of Twitter. In the end, I think it is going to look similar to Facebook, but the big difference would be free-speech and the very useful in-app payment system he has suggested.

And perhaps Twitter would be able to do what Meta was not and properly initiate the metaverse which is obviously the next stage of online interaction. Also noting Musk's past interest in bitcoin/dogecoin, Twitter may even become a force for Web3.

To be honest, I never invested in Twitter before (wish I had before he bought it!!!) but if the company was publicly traded right now, I would definitely invest.

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Quote from: suchmoon on November 22, 2022, 07:01:24 PM

I'm not following. Do you think Twitter was censoring because it employed "socialists"?

Of course not, suchmoon.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1595250835096621057?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet%7Ctwtr%5Etrue

Also

https://twitter.com/RichardHanania/status/1595256515463507968?cxt=HHwWgMCjnanWvqMsAAAA

Quote from: suchmoon on November 22, 2022, 07:01:24 PM

I'm not following. Do you think Twitter was censoring because it employed "socialists"? There were rules in place and people got banned for violating them. If you think those rules were "socialist", then shouldn't said rules be changed instead of firing people based on political beliefs?

Source.

I already posted a video in a previous post. It's not just a matter of ideology, it's a matter of changing everything from top to bottom.

A day in the life of a Twitter employee

I recommend anyone to watch the video, it's only a minute and a half and it gives you an idea of how "productive" was the working day of the former twitter employees, now fired.

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Quote from: bakasabo on November 23, 2022, 04:13:57 AM

Quote from: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 03:22:44 AM

Musk has said he wants to transform twitter into an EVERYTHING app. An example is the popular Chinese WeChat.

He has talked previously about adding a payment system on the app, possibly a decentralised coin??

I feel like the current discourse suggests the app would become used like Discord but with a payment system, which would be very handy.

I think I've have written few weeks ago, that it would be great of Mask transforms Twitter into WeChat analogue, as in China you can use it everywhere, it is like an independent bank or payment system. It would be great if he transforms Twitter in to app with same usability. There is only one thing - if he really makes such an app, then the US will want to have a control over it, or want to be this app to be maximum transparent. Which makes app to be more centralized than decentralized.

Actually, WeChat is not an independent bank/payment system. It is superly linked with banks in which you opened your debit cards. No money can be ever hidden from banks supervision. WeChat is more like a widely recognized form of payment rather than banks debit cards. There is nothing new inside. But also you are right, it is still centalized and won't do anything good for decentalization. I think Elon's adtoption of WeChat's style is merely from the commercial perspective to make Twitter profitable rather than further decentralization.

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Quote from: ObscurePen on November 23, 2022, 03:22:44 AM

Musk has said he wants to transform twitter into an EVERYTHING app. An example is the popular Chinese WeChat.

He has talked previously about adding a payment system on the app, possibly a decentralised coin??

I feel like the current discourse suggests the app would become used like Discord but with a payment system, which would be very handy.

I think I've have written few weeks ago, that it would be great of Mask transforms Twitter into WeChat analogue, as in China you can use it everywhere, it is like an independent bank or payment system. It would be great if he transforms Twitter in to app with same usability. There is only one thing - if he really makes such an app, then the US will want to have a control over it, or want to be this app to be maximum transparent. Which makes app to be more centralized than decentralized.

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