Topic: Who are THEY? Are they Muslim? - page 2. (Read 4276 times)

Quote from: BADecker on May 18, 2015, 06:40:36 PM

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No, I think the native language is most important because it can help "you" to understand better... the other is only a translation.

Not it can't help you to understand better. Understanding is just about defined as the ability to explain something well. This means that the translated text is responsible for doing a good or a bad job.

If the translations are bad, then someone should improve them. Relapsing into saying you have to read the Koran in arabic to really get it is just an excuse.

No different than the way Catholics used to do masses in Latin.

Keep the secrets from the masses.

Keep the power.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 18, 2015, 02:55:33 PM

Sunnis are a branch of Islam that really isn't Islam at all. They simply hold to the name of Islam, recognize Muhammad, and follow a few of the Islamic rules loosely. The Sunni religion is about as free as they come. The do and worship whatever they think is spiritual.

True Islam is found in the Muslims who terrorize. That's why they do it. They are being religiously true to Islam. They are the pure Islamites. All this talk about Islam being a peaceful religion is only being done by people ignorant of Islam (even though they might be Muslims), or by liars. In a few cases Islam peace is being talked about by wishful thinkers.

The funny thing here is if a "muslim" would be peaceful, will you think the contrary or not? I hope you understand what I wanted to say.

Of course there are peaceful Muslims. It is simply that they are not very much Muslim. They are quite ignorant of the religion that they claim to be part of. If they are strong Muslims according to the true Islam, then they are not peaceful to non-Muslims (except when they are lying to the non-Muslims), while they are peaceful to other Muslims.

It is like Christians who say they are Christians and ARE Christians. But they don't go to church except on Christmas and Easter. They almost NEVER read any of the Bible. And they hang out at the bars and nightclubs and whore houses, and curse and drink and swear. But they are still Christians.

Real Christians would never do any of these wrong things.

I told you guys. BADecker always does this. He knows nothing, nothing about Islam. He just want to post big passages of lies to spread hatred and then conclude, "come to Christianity, the ultimate religion". I have no problem with Christians and BADecker is free to spread the religion he believe but he is contradicting his belief because Bible says not to lie and spread hatred/violence while spreading it. I am saying again, feel free to spread Christianity but don't tell lies.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 18, 2015, 02:55:33 PM

Sunnis are a branch of Islam that really isn't Islam at all. They simply hold to the name of Islam, recognize Muhammad, and follow a few of the Islamic rules loosely. The Sunni religion is about as free as they come. The do and worship whatever they think is spiritual.

True Islam is found in the Muslims who terrorize. That's why they do it. They are being religiously true to Islam. They are the pure Islamites. All this talk about Islam being a peaceful religion is only being done by people ignorant of Islam (even though they might be Muslims), or by liars. In a few cases Islam peace is being talked about by wishful thinkers.

The funny thing here is if a "muslim" would be peaceful, will you think the contrary or not? I hope you understand what I wanted to say.

Of course there are peaceful Muslims. It is simply that they are not very much Muslim. They are quite ignorant of the religion that they claim to be part of. If they are strong Muslims according to the true Islam, then they are not peaceful to non-Muslims (except when they are lying to the non-Muslims), while they are peaceful to other Muslims.

It is like Christians who say they are Christians and ARE Christians. But they don't go to church except on Christmas and Easter. They almost NEVER read any of the Bible. And they hang out at the bars and nightclubs and whore houses, and curse and drink and swear. But they are still Christians.

Real Christians would never do any of these wrong things.

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Quote from: BADecker on May 18, 2015, 02:55:33 PM

The funny thing here is if a "muslim" would be peaceful, will you think the contrary or not? I hope you understand what I wanted to say.

There are peaceful muslims as well and it's not possible that all those who believe in Islam are terrorists or ISIS leaders/members. The issue here is that there are some who interpret the holy book of Islam as one that spreads violence and hate and hence they believe that the religion teaches others to hate. They don't understand that they are actually supporting the words of these evil people (terrorists/ISIS) who spread the wrong message. They are the ones who are responsible for this hatred towards Islam and people just blindly believe them.

People earlier used to believe that Muslims should only marry within their caste and they used to kill others who used to marry hindus and other castes. Now that's not the case and there are so many inter caste marriages which proves that there is a change in the thoughts of many Muslims.

It's wrong if people start cursing the people who are Muslims just because of these terror attacks.

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Sunnis are a branch of Islam that really isn't Islam at all. They simply hold to the name of Islam, recognize Muhammad, and follow a few of the Islamic rules loosely. The Sunni religion is about as free as they come. The do and worship whatever they think is spiritual.

True Islam is found in the Muslims who terrorize. That's why they do it. They are being religiously true to Islam. They are the pure Islamites. All this talk about Islam being a peaceful religion is only being done by people ignorant of Islam (even though they might be Muslims), or by liars. In a few cases Islam peace is being talked about by wishful thinkers.

The funny thing here is if a "muslim" would be peaceful, will you think the contrary or not? I hope you understand what I wanted to say.

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Quote from: Netpyder on May 15, 2015, 12:10:47 AM

you and other muslim haters totally do not understand the meaning of the verse. unless it be means, that is.. remember the Quraan is in Arabic. like you i was perplexed with this quote. so i called a friend, he speaks arabic fluently. i asked him about this, he said in arabic it means that is, but in english there is mistranslation

It doesn't really matter, it's a big book, people will find whatever they need and interpret the way they want t justify their agenda, it's just another big book of multiple choice.

No, I think the native language is most important because it can help "you" to understand better... the other is only a translation.

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Quote from: Netpyder on May 15, 2015, 12:10:47 AM

you and other muslim haters totally do not understand the meaning of the verse. unless it be means, that is.. remember the Quraan is in Arabic. like you i was perplexed with this quote. so i called a friend, he speaks arabic fluently. i asked him about this, he said in arabic it means that is, but in english there is mistranslation

It doesn't really matter, it's a big book, people will find whatever they need and interpret the way they want t justify their agenda, it's just another big book of multiple choice.

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Sunnis are a branch of Islam that really isn't Islam at all. They simply hold to the name of Islam, recognize Muhammad, and follow a few of the Islamic rules loosely. The Sunni religion is about as free as they come. The do and worship whatever they think is spiritual.

True Islam is found in the Muslims who terrorize. That's why they do it. They are being religiously true to Islam. They are the pure Islamites. All this talk about Islam being a peaceful religion is only being done by people ignorant of Islam (even though they might be Muslims), or by liars. In a few cases Islam peace is being talked about by wishful thinkers.

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Quote from: ObscureBean on May 18, 2015, 04:00:19 AM

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Quote from: Falconer on May 18, 2015, 05:03:11 AM

The muslims who do not like people attaching them with ISIS should just scrap their religion. Islam is hated everywhere i have been to. The damage has been done, either accept whatever Islam says[dont nitpick] or leave your religion

We accept what Islam says but it doesn't say to kill innocents like ISIS does.

I do wonder, Zakir, what would you do if the hard liners like ISIS moved into your area, and told you you had New Instructions regarding how to read the Koran and how to present it to people on the Internet.

Would you do what they said?

Of course if you did not the consequences would be severe.

Just a hypothetical question.

Np. A good question, I must say.

1. I have read Qur'an and most hadiths. I am not a "scholar" but I know about my religion pretty well. In my region, we both Muslims ans nob-Muslims are living peacefully. Even my religious teachers don't tell to tease or hurt others.

2. It will be hard for ISIS members to persist here^TM.

3. Even if they try to spread it, I won't accept it as I know the rules and teachings. In my nearest mosques, Imam always warn people about wrong faith like this. So I am pretty sure others won't too.

I don't mean to barge in but I couldn't help notice that you haven't really addressed the crux of the scenario. I'm sure you realize that a LOT of people, if not most, do not join these extremist groups by choice. Would you still be able to uphold your faith as a true Muslim if they break into your home with guns and threaten violence against your loved ones?

A logical question. +10.

Well, I don't know. It depends on how worse the situation is. I probably will go with them but won't kill anybody even if they torture me. Besides, there is an allowance for Muslims that if they fear they will die by following Islam, they can act as a non-Muslim. However, like I said, I can't tell exactly what I will do at that situation. Now, my mind is calm and not disturbed, I can think and imagine many things and possible solutions for that situation. But when I am in that situation, my mind will be very disturbed and I won't be able to think or create/find a solution easily.

tld;dr - It's hard to tell what I will do.

I agree with your opinion. How can a person denied to be an extremist if he or his family was threatened by them. I don't mean a muslim couldn't uphold his faith. I think this is a police or military task to protect the society and help them against the extremist.

You are wrong! They ain't extremists but in fact n00bs.

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Quote from: ObscureBean on May 18, 2015, 04:00:19 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 18, 2015, 02:54:09 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 03:38:55 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 18, 2015, 02:54:09 AM

The muslims who do not like people attaching them with ISIS should just scrap their religion. Islam is hated everywhere i have been to. The damage has been done, either accept whatever Islam says[dont nitpick] or leave your religion

We accept what Islam says but it doesn't say to kill innocents like ISIS does.

I do wonder, Zakir, what would you do if the hard liners like ISIS moved into your area, and told you you had New Instructions regarding how to read the Koran and how to present it to people on the Internet.

Would you do what they said?

Of course if you did not the consequences would be severe.

Just a hypothetical question.

Np. A good question, I must say.

1. I have read Qur'an and most hadiths. I am not a "scholar" but I know about my religion pretty well. In my region, we both Muslims ans nob-Muslims are living peacefully. Even my religious teachers don't tell to tease or hurt others.

2. It will be hard for ISIS members to persist here^TM.

3. Even if they try to spread it, I won't accept it as I know the rules and teachings. In my nearest mosques, Imam always warn people about wrong faith like this. So I am pretty sure others won't too.

I don't mean to barge in but I couldn't help notice that you haven't really addressed the crux of the scenario. I'm sure you realize that a LOT of people, if not most, do not join these extremist groups by choice. Would you still be able to uphold your faith as a true Muslim if they break into your home with guns and threaten violence against your loved ones?

I agree with your opinion. How can a person denied to be an extremist if he or his family was threatened by them. I don't mean a muslim couldn't uphold his faith. I think this is a police or military task to protect the society and help them against the extremist.

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 03:38:55 AM

The muslims who do not like people attaching them with ISIS should just scrap their religion. Islam is hated everywhere i have been to. The damage has been done, either accept whatever Islam says[dont nitpick] or leave your religion

We accept what Islam says but it doesn't say to kill innocents like ISIS does.

I do wonder, Zakir, what would you do if the hard liners like ISIS moved into your area, and told you you had New Instructions regarding how to read the Koran and how to present it to people on the Internet.

Would you do what they said?

Of course if you did not the consequences would be severe.

Just a hypothetical question.

Np. A good question, I must say.

1. I have read Qur'an and most hadiths. I am not a "scholar" but I know about my religion pretty well. In my region, we both Muslims ans nob-Muslims are living peacefully. Even my religious teachers don't tell to tease or hurt others.

2. It will be hard for ISIS members to persist here^TM.

3. Even if they try to spread it, I won't accept it as I know the rules and teachings. In my nearest mosques, Imam always warn people about wrong faith like this. So I am pretty sure others won't too.

I don't mean to barge in but I couldn't help notice that you haven't really addressed the crux of the scenario. I'm sure you realize that a LOT of people, if not most, do not join these extremist groups by choice. Would you still be able to uphold your faith as a true Muslim if they break into your home with guns and threaten violence against your loved ones?

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Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 03:38:55 AM

Quote from: Muhammed Zakir on May 17, 2015, 03:38:55 AM

The muslims who do not like people attaching them with ISIS should just scrap their religion. Islam is hated everywhere i have been to. The damage has been done, either accept whatever Islam says[dont nitpick] or leave your religion

We accept what Islam says but it doesn't say to kill innocents like ISIS does.

I do wonder, Zakir, what would you do if the hard liners like ISIS moved into your area, and told you you had New Instructions regarding how to read the Koran and how to present it to people on the Internet.

Would you do what they said?

Of course if you did not the consequences would be severe.

Just a hypothetical question.

Np. A good question, I must say.

1. I have read Qur'an and most hadiths. I am not a "scholar" but I know about my religion pretty well. In my region, we both Muslims ans nob-Muslims are living peacefully. Even my religious teachers don't tell to tease or hurt others.

2. It will be hard for ISIS members to persist here^TM.

3. Even if they try to spread it, I won't accept it as I know the rules and teachings. In my nearest mosques, Imam always warn people about wrong faith like this. So I am pretty sure others won't too.

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The muslims who do not like people attaching them with ISIS should just scrap their religion. Islam is hated everywhere i have been to. The damage has been done, either accept whatever Islam says[dont nitpick] or leave your religion

We accept what Islam says but it doesn't say to kill innocents like ISIS does.

I do wonder, Zakir, what would you do if the hard liners like ISIS moved into your area, and told you you had New Instructions regarding how to read the Koran and how to present it to people on the Internet.

Would you do what they said?

Of course if you did not the consequences would be severe.

Just a hypothetical question.

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