Who are THEY? Are they Muslim? - page 5.

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Quote from: 311 on May 13, 2015, 03:24:46 PM

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 13, 2015, 11:50:28 AM

First let me tell here an Ayat from Quran:

If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity.

What in the actual fuck is the definition of 'spreading mischief'. People can interpret that in any way they wish. The attacks were Sunni against shia, right? Maybe the sunni's think that shia's are spreading mischief therefore they're fair game to be killed. I know not all muslims feel this way but killing members of your own religion only with slightly different views just shows you how ridiculous this is (though of course all religions are equally ridiculous any way).

I think the mullahs have too much power over the average Muslims.

It's a distributed social system.

Maybe they need a blockchain solution.

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 13, 2015, 11:50:28 AM

First let me tell here an Ayat from Quran:

If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity.

What in the actual fuck is the definition of 'spreading mischief'. People can interpret that in any way they wish. The attacks were Sunni against shia, right? Maybe the sunni's think that shia's are spreading mischief therefore they're fair game to be killed. I know not all muslims feel this way but killing members of your own religion only with slightly different views just shows you how ridiculous this is (though of course all religions are equally ridiculous any way).

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Quote from: RodeoX on May 13, 2015, 12:29:59 PM

Quote from: pedrog on May 13, 2015, 12:13:56 PM

Muslims just need to believe little girls going to school is spreading mischief in the land, whatever that means.

Like most westerners I think girls should be encouraged to go to school. But it is true that these are recent ideas. It was not until the 1930's that American girls went to school in any numbers. And it was not for their career. They were expected to marry, have children, and shut the fuck up.

... Or they would get acid in their face if they kept going to school... I remember yes. The famous USA's Acid attacks, circa 1930's...

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/world/meast/cnnheroes-jan-afghan-school/

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 13, 2015, 11:50:28 AM

First let me tell here an Ayat from Quran:

If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity.
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Today Death Toll In Karachi Bus Shooting Rises To 44 death and 13 injured

"At least 44 people have been killed and 13 others injured when some unknown gunmen attacked a passsenger bus near Safoora Chowrangi in Karachi, Dunya News reported.

Reportedly, sixteen women were among the dead.

"Six terrorists came on three motorcycles, they entered the bus and began firing indiscriminately. They used 9mm pistols and all those killed and injured were hit by the 9mm pistols,"

So who are they are these Muslim?

they are criminals. why people just look the religion of criminals as main subject for their crime?

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 13, 2015, 12:11:37 PM

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 13, 2015, 12:02:02 PM

They are not Jihadist, they are Not Muslim, They are Not Human. Can you Imagine that A man can Kill another Person, On the Basis of His religion?

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260

Can you please Provide me the Link did you Got It because I found this:

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Volume 4, Book 52, Number 266l:
Narrated Salim Abu An-Nadr:

(the freed slave of 'Umar bin 'Ubaidullah) I was Umar's clerk. Once Abdullah bin Abi Aufa wrote a letter to 'Umar when he proceeded to Al-Haruriya. I read in it that Allah's Apostle in one of his military expeditions against the enemy, waited till the sun declined and then he got up amongst the people saying, "O people! Do not wish to meet the enemy, and ask Allah for safety, but when you face the enemy, be patient, and remember that Paradise is under the shades of swords." Then he said, "O Allah, the Revealer of the Holy Book, and the Mover of the clouds and the Defeater of the clans, defeat them, and grant us victory over them."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 266c:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said: "Do not wish to meet the enemy, but when you meet face) the enemy, be patient."

obviously you got something different because you searched for a different verse

http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/052-sbt.php

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Quote from: pedrog on May 13, 2015, 12:13:56 PM

Muslims just need to believe little girls going to school is spreading mischief in the land, whatever that means.

Like most westerners I think girls should be encouraged to go to school. But it is true that these are recent ideas. It was not until the 1930's that American girls went to school in any numbers. And it was not for their career. They were expected to marry, have children, and shut the fuck up.

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Quote from: RodeoX on May 13, 2015, 12:10:51 PM

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Quote from: RodeoX on May 13, 2015, 11:59:14 AM

What someone in Oman told me. "We pray for the Jihadists, that one day they will convert to Islam."

They are not Jihadist, they are Not Muslim, They are Not Human. Can you Imagine that A man can Kill another Person, On the Basis of His religion?

I don't know. They are perhaps more like us than we are comfortable thinking. Many grow up in poverty and corruption. Maybe the only legitimate power they ever knew was the local imam? Those kids are ripe for recruitment by groups who puff them up with delusions of adventure, riches, and respect. That is a powerful message for the disenfranchised. Of course by the time they figure out that they are only killing other Muslims over money, land, oil, and power; its too late. I feel sorry for many of them.
But make no mistake, the game is on. They would kill me and if I had to I would drop the hammer and flip their switch just as quick.

P.S. Abu Alaa al-Afari may have just been killed in an airstrike.

OP is doing the no true scotsman fallacy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Plus, the loophole for killing everyone they want is in the verse he quoted:

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 13, 2015, 11:50:28 AM

First let me tell here an Ayat from Quran:

If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity.

Muslims just need to believe little girls going to school is spreading mischief in the land, whatever that means.

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Quote from: saddampbuh on May 13, 2015, 12:05:05 PM

Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 13, 2015, 12:02:02 PM

They are not Jihadist, they are Not Muslim, They are Not Human. Can you Imagine that A man can Kill another Person, On the Basis of His religion?

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260

Can you please Provide me the Link did you Got It because I found this:

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Volume 4, Book 52, Number 266l:
Narrated Salim Abu An-Nadr:

(the freed slave of 'Umar bin 'Ubaidullah) I was Umar's clerk. Once Abdullah bin Abi Aufa wrote a letter to 'Umar when he proceeded to Al-Haruriya. I read in it that Allah's Apostle in one of his military expeditions against the enemy, waited till the sun declined and then he got up amongst the people saying, "O people! Do not wish to meet the enemy, and ask Allah for safety, but when you face the enemy, be patient, and remember that Paradise is under the shades of swords." Then he said, "O Allah, the Revealer of the Holy Book, and the Mover of the clouds and the Defeater of the clans, defeat them, and grant us victory over them."

Volume 4, Book 52, Number 266c:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said: "Do not wish to meet the enemy, but when you meet face) the enemy, be patient."

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 13, 2015, 12:02:02 PM

Quote from: RodeoX on May 13, 2015, 11:59:14 AM

What someone in Oman told me. "We pray for the Jihadists, that one day they will convert to Islam."

They are not Jihadist, they are Not Muslim, They are Not Human. Can you Imagine that A man can Kill another Person, On the Basis of His religion?

I don't know. They are perhaps more like us than we are comfortable thinking. Many grow up in poverty and corruption. Maybe the only legitimate power they ever knew was the local imam? Those kids are ripe for recruitment by groups who puff them up with delusions of adventure, riches, and respect. That is a powerful message for the disenfranchised. Of course by the time they figure out that they are only killing other Muslims over money, land, oil, and power; its too late. I feel sorry for many of them.
But make no mistake, the game is on. They would kill me and if I had to I would drop the hammer and flip their switch just as quick.

P.S. Abu Alaa al-Afari may have just been killed in an airstrike.

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The attack was claimed by the Islamic State, so it's pretty solid assuming they are Muslims, I having heard about an attack claimed by ISIS perpetrated by people that were not Muslims.

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Quote from: irfan_pak10 on May 13, 2015, 12:02:02 PM

They are not Jihadist, they are Not Muslim, They are Not Human. Can you Imagine that A man can Kill another Person, On the Basis of His religion?

Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'
— Sahih al-Bukhari, 4:52:260

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Quote from: RodeoX on May 13, 2015, 11:59:14 AM

What someone in Oman told me. "We pray for the Jihadists, that one day they will convert to Islam."

They are not Jihadist, they are Not Muslim, They are Not Human. Can you Imagine that A man can Kill another Person, On the Basis of His religion?

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What someone in Oman told me. "We pray for the Jihadists, that one day they will convert to Islam."

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First let me tell here an Ayat from Quran:

If any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole humanity: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole humanity.
____________________________________________________________________

Today Death Toll In Karachi Bus Shooting Rises To 44 death and 13 injured

"At least 44 people have been killed and 13 others injured when some unknown gunmen attacked a passsenger bus near Safoora Chowrangi in Karachi, Dunya News reported.

Reportedly, sixteen women were among the dead.

"Six terrorists came on three motorcycles, they entered the bus and began firing indiscriminately. They used 9mm pistols and all those killed and injured were hit by the 9mm pistols,"

So who are they are these Muslim?

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