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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

If you have a car and decide to sell it then you don't have it anymore but if it's still in your possession then you can be regarded as the owner. So to answer your question, if you have Bitcoin in a wallet and you spend whatever amount you want, as long as you still have some bitcoin left in the wallet that you can hold unto. Then, I think you are a hodler and also a bitcoin investor. But if you receive Bitcoin as a payment for your services and you squander it as it comes, then you cannot be regarded as an investor.

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If he deposits bitcoins with the aim of increasing his real profit from there then he is definitely a bitcoin investor.
And if he is to protect his money then he is never a bitcoin investor. Because he stored bitcoin there for the security of his wealth.

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Quote from: Ricardo11 on October 12, 2023, 08:46:40 AM

A person who earns money by investing money in Bitcoin for long term or short term, is a Bitcoin investor. Or someone who invests money in bitcoins and earns money by trading is a bitcoin investor. Or those who do instant buy and sell in bitcoin in panic market are a bitcoin investor.

Why do you think they are all the same? even though these three things are different professions even though they all involve Bitcoin with the aim of profit. Because what is more appropriate to be called investors are people who invest their money in Bitcoin, not those who trade after buying Bitcoin or sell Bitcoin when they see the market is starting to panic. I don't know where you understand this so that you think everything is the same and there is no distinction between the three.

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When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

In my opinion, people who hold Bitcoin for a long period of time in their wallet can be said to be investors, because their focus is only on investment and is different compared to traders who focus on trading in TF and various strategies to achieve profits.

An investor means that it is a person who puts money into something, to make a profit out of it. It's not about how long you hold the bitcoin in your wallet, if you hold bitcoin in a few months, you are an investor, and if you are less than that, you're not. You see, as long as you make money out of it, the moment you start putting your money, you're already an investor.

Yes, trading is different as it requires technical analysis and market strategy, more on buying and selling. It is riskier and needs to be more knowledgeable to be able to gain profit unlike in investing. It also has more transactions compared to investing which requires less.

Do you believe we're simplifying to much? Investors, in my view, see an asset's worth, potential, and long-term potential. Its not about generating a quick buck, and investing has no timeframe. Does buying Bitcoin today and selling it at a profit tomorrow make you less of an investor than someone who holds for years? Investing requires mentality, strategy, and vision

Moving on to trading. Its riskier, more technical, and more transactions. To claim trading demands greater knowledge? I think investing and trading involve vast knowledge, just in different ways. Understanding fundamentals, trusting in technology, and seeing the larger picture are essential to investing. Trading? You must catch market waves and grasp the present. Both complicated and risky. Do you see a problem that trading and investing cant coexist? Can't someone trade and invest based on the situation and asset?

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

In my opinion, people who hold Bitcoin for a long period of time in their wallet can be said to be investors, because their focus is only on investment and is different compared to traders who focus on trading in TF and various strategies to achieve profits.

An investor means that it is a person who puts money into something, to make a profit out of it. It's not about how long you hold the bitcoin in your wallet, if you hold bitcoin in a few months, you are an investor, and if you are less than that, you're not. You see, as long as you make money out of it, the moment you start putting your money, you're already an investor.

Yes, trading is different as it requires technical analysis and market strategy, more on buying and selling. It is riskier and needs to be more knowledgeable to be able to gain profit unlike in investing. It also has more transactions compared to investing which requires less.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

In my opinion, people who hold Bitcoin for a long period of time in their wallet can be said to be investors, because their focus is only on investment and is different compared to traders who focus on trading in TF and various strategies to achieve profits.

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A person who earns money by investing money in Bitcoin for long term or short term, is a Bitcoin investor. Or someone who invests money in bitcoins and earns money by trading is a bitcoin investor. Or those who do instant buy and sell in bitcoin in panic market are a bitcoin investor.

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The fact that you aim to buy and hold for future profits, that is certainly a proof that you’re a bitcoin investor. While others are buying for their own satisfaction that they can use it as a payment and promote bitcoin adoption, a lot of us here are certainly for investing purposes only.

There is no denying that we all view bitcoin as an investment rather than using it for payment purposes, but that also does not mean that bitcoin cannot be used as a currency or payment method. Not much but the percentage of people using bitcoin for payments is still there and they don't see bitcoin as an investment like we do. To me, people who own bitcoin but care about its price and hold it for profit are investors.

People who don't care about price and don't care about profits, just people who want to popularize bitcoin as a currency, they are not investors.

Yes you are correct, people both business people and all the rest, they only uses Bitcoin for investments and not for payments methods, and it sucks, if I have a personal business today I will use Bitcoin sa a payment method, but not now that I am working for someone I can't advise my director to accept Bitcoin for payment because I don't want to be stressed out by activities.
Well since Bitcoin is not permitted in some locality it will be a hard task for business people to use Bitcoin as a payment method in their businesses.

Why is it bad for people to use bitcoin as an investment? Are you taking advantage of it to make profit? When bitcoin is an investment, it also brings us many benefits, so how can we call it sucks?
Currently, bitcoin cannot be used in payments but that does not mean it will be applicable in the future. I think once it becomes more widely accepted and more widely used, it can serve as both an asset and a payment method. Nothing is impossible.

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Op, sorry to say this, like I don't really understand your write ups but will only the topic, (who is actually a Bitcoin investor) I can easily relate to it.
Anyways a Bitcoin investor is a person who has already clicked the BUY button and it shows successful, then the investor holds for a longer period of time.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 07, 2023, 04:43:12 PM

The fact that you aim to buy and hold for future profits, that is certainly a proof that you’re a bitcoin investor. While others are buying for their own satisfaction that they can use it as a payment and promote bitcoin adoption, a lot of us here are certainly for investing purposes only.

There is no denying that we all view bitcoin as an investment rather than using it for payment purposes, but that also does not mean that bitcoin cannot be used as a currency or payment method. Not much but the percentage of people using bitcoin for payments is still there and they don't see bitcoin as an investment like we do. To me, people who own bitcoin but care about its price and hold it for profit are investors.

People who don't care about price and don't care about profits, just people who want to popularize bitcoin as a currency, they are not investors.

Yes you are correct, people both business people and all the rest, they only uses Bitcoin for investments and not for payments methods, and it sucks, if I have a personal business today I will use Bitcoin sa a payment method, but not now that I am working for someone I can't advise my director to accept Bitcoin for payment because I don't want to be stressed out by activities.
Well since Bitcoin is not permitted in some locality it will be a hard task for business people to use Bitcoin as a payment method in their businesses.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

No, there are many different types of crypto investors. Someone who hodls his coins is an investor, just not a very active one. It doesn't really matter how many wallets you have and how regular you use them. As long as you buy crypto currencies you are an investor. There can be a distinction between traders and investors. Crypto traders usually buy and sell their coins very quickly, they are looking for short term profits. Whereas investors have a more medium to longterm approach and focus on building a larger crypto portfolio. Not that it's really important which term you give for yourself, just make sure you have goals you work towards and enjoy the benefits of crypto currencies.

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Using it for payments differs from owning, holding and investing on it. Do you hold Bitcoin for investing or for paying your bills? While that's true that Bitcoin was certainly made for P2P payments but a lot has changed, that usage was never gone but just added for being a store of value. So, if you have bitcoin and uses it for payments then technically, you're not an investor per se.

I mean, even though a lot has changed about bitcoin and most of us just use bitcoin as an investment, myself included. But even if we use bitcoin as an investment asset, its peer-to-peer currency nature has not disappeared and there are still some people who do not use it for profit purposes.

You're right and I agree. That feat of Bitcoin has never been gone despite that the majority of us sees that it's like an asset that everyone shouldn't spend on.

Quote from: Smack That Ace on September 07, 2023, 09:15:21 PM

So if someone owns bitcoins, they can't be called an investor, it depends on what they use them for. Bitcoin is truly the only multi-functional asset we have to date.

I guess the term 'to each their own' just have to be applied on this one.

Quote from: Kasabus on September 07, 2023, 04:08:12 PM

Probably buying bitcoin is a sign that you wan to invest on it, even if others just want to buy it because it’s cheap but have no real intention to sell it in the future but only spend it for good when it’s value has skyrocket. However, as for my personal perception, a bitcoin investor is that one that buys and keeps his bitcoin in his wallet and just sell it when the price doubles or triples its starting price. That way, if he intend to sell for profits, then he’s actually a real investor.

Or sells when he's uncertain and despite losing some value of it, they choose to cut loss. This scenario happens and is for real.

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Quote from: Japinat on September 07, 2023, 04:43:12 PM

The fact that you aim to buy and hold for future profits, that is certainly a proof that you’re a bitcoin investor. While others are buying for their own satisfaction that they can use it as a payment and promote bitcoin adoption, a lot of us here are certainly for investing purposes only.

There is no denying that we all view bitcoin as an investment rather than using it for payment purposes, but that also does not mean that bitcoin cannot be used as a currency or payment method. Not much but the percentage of people using bitcoin for payments is still there and they don't see bitcoin as an investment like we do. To me, people who own bitcoin but care about its price and hold it for profit are investors.

People who don't care about price and don't care about profits, just people who want to popularize bitcoin as a currency, they are not investors.

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But what about those who own bitcoin for the purpose of paying bills? Are they considered bitcoin investors? Because bitcoin was created by Satoshi as a means of peer-to-peer payment and we ourselves made it an investment by creating volatility. As far as I know, not everyone invests in bitcoin, there are still some who just use it as a currency. So I think owning bitcoins to be called an investor is not entirely correct. Investing is when you have the purpose of making a profit from it.

Using it for payments differs from owning, holding and investing on it. Do you hold Bitcoin for investing or for paying your bills? While that's true that Bitcoin was certainly made for P2P payments but a lot has changed, that usage was never gone but just added for being a store of value. So, if you have bitcoin and uses it for payments then technically, you're not an investor per se.

I mean, even though a lot has changed about bitcoin and most of us just use bitcoin as an investment, myself included. But even if we use bitcoin as an investment asset, its peer-to-peer currency nature has not disappeared and there are still some people who do not use it for profit purposes. So if someone owns bitcoins, they can't be called an investor, it depends on what they use them for. Bitcoin is truly the only multi-functional asset we have to date.

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The fact that you aim to buy and hold for future profits, that is certainly a proof that you’re a bitcoin investor. While others are buying for their own satisfaction that they can use it as a payment and promote bitcoin adoption, a lot of us here are certainly for investing purposes only.

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Quote from: bhadz on September 06, 2023, 06:46:30 PM

You have bitcoin? Then you're a bitcoin investor. You don't have it, then you're not a bitcoin investor. That's simple as that, as long as you have it on your wallet and you have spent money for buying then you are in the category of being a bitcoin investor. There's also this instance that you're still a bitcoin investor but you haven't spent any penny on it. How? When someone gives it to you and you hold now full custody on it then that's still considered that you're a bitcoin investor if you have kept it and have no plans yet of selling it. There's no need to make things very confusing so if it's no longer in your posession and you sent your bitcoin as a payment, you don't have it anymore. Therefore, you're no longer an investor of it but you used to be.

Probably buying bitcoin is a sign that you wan to invest on it, even if others just want to buy it because it’s cheap but have no real intention to sell it in the future but only spend it for good when it’s value has skyrocket. However, as for my personal perception, a bitcoin investor is that one that buys and keeps his bitcoin in his wallet and just sell it when the price doubles or triples its starting price. That way, if he intend to sell for profits, then he’s actually a real investor.

As long as that person owns Bitcoin at any amount, he is already an investor. But real investors have a long-term plan and it is different from traders who just buy today and then sell tomorrow. Investors are also good at holding, they have patience, and most of all, they are very certain about their plan unlike those who claim themselves as an investor but later on, when the market is in correction they easily gives up.

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Quote from: bhadz on September 06, 2023, 06:46:30 PM

You have bitcoin? Then you're a bitcoin investor. You don't have it, then you're not a bitcoin investor. That's simple as that, as long as you have it on your wallet and you have spent money for buying then you are in the category of being a bitcoin investor. There's also this instance that you're still a bitcoin investor but you haven't spent any penny on it. How? When someone gives it to you and you hold now full custody on it then that's still considered that you're a bitcoin investor if you have kept it and have no plans yet of selling it. There's no need to make things very confusing so if it's no longer in your posession and you sent your bitcoin as a payment, you don't have it anymore. Therefore, you're no longer an investor of it but you used to be.

Probably buying bitcoin is a sign that you wan to invest on it, even if others just want to buy it because it’s cheap but have no real intention to sell it in the future but only spend it for good when it’s value has skyrocket. However, as for my personal perception, a bitcoin investor is that one that buys and keeps his bitcoin in his wallet and just sell it when the price doubles or triples its starting price. That way, if he intend to sell for profits, then he’s actually a real investor.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

You can be both an active user and an investor at the same time. If you own some amount of BTC, constantly spending and earning or rebuying a part of bit, but also holding some for the future, then you are simultaneously an investor and a user.

Outside of the US, a lot of people store their wealth in the US dollar, because it's more stable than their home currency. But they aren't typically called "USD investors". Technically, the same should be true for those who own BTC, because Bitcoin is a currency. But it's so fast growing that a lot of people buy it for the sake of making quick profits, which is easier to categorize as investing.

Yes. We share the same opinion. A bitcoin investor can be an active bitcoin user as well if he constantly buy and hold bitcoin and sell for future profits, or use it as a mode of payment when price increases or whenever it’s applicable to. But if your intention is not actually to make profits but just use it as a sole currency in the future, then you are just one of those who promote the usage of bitcoin as what its originally designed.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

Personally, a single person can only be called a bitcoin investor if he buys and holds bitcoin for a purpose, that is to make profits in the long run. If he invest and trade later on, then he is still considered a bitcoin investor, and at the same time a bitcoin trader. However, if he only buys bitcoin just to fill his wallet for future use, most likely he is a just a bitcoin user, not really an investor.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

everyone in this world can just install a bitcoin wallet on google playstore or appstore and there are dozens of choices of bitcoin personal wallets to choose from but investors in general are those who hold the investment assets, someone who doesn't hold bitcoin is not worthy of being called a bitcoin investor.

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Quote from: bhadz on September 06, 2023, 06:46:30 PM

You have bitcoin? Then you're a bitcoin investor. You don't have it, then you're not a bitcoin investor. That's simple as that, as long as you have it on your wallet and you have spent money for buying then you are in the category of being a bitcoin investor. There's also this instance that you're still a bitcoin investor but you haven't spent any penny on it. How? When someone gives it to you and you hold now full custody on it then that's still considered that you're a bitcoin investor if you have kept it and have no plans yet of selling it. There's no need to make things very confusing so if it's no longer in your posession and you sent your bitcoin as a payment, you don't have it anymore. Therefore, you're no longer an investor of it but you used to be.

You're right. As someone who is not an expert, researcher or economic observer or can be called a layman, we do not need to complicate our view of who Bitcoin investors actually are.
Yes, I also think so that there is no need to make it difficult for us to know specifically who a Bitcoin investor is, because in my opinion in simple terms anyone who buys and owns Bitcoin can be considered a Bitcoin investor, despite each of us having different goals and different activities in utilizing the Bitcoin that we have.

Yes, that's simple and easy as it is to understand.

Quote from: Smack That Ace on September 06, 2023, 08:39:12 PM

But what about those who own bitcoin for the purpose of paying bills? Are they considered bitcoin investors? Because bitcoin was created by Satoshi as a means of peer-to-peer payment and we ourselves made it an investment by creating volatility. As far as I know, not everyone invests in bitcoin, there are still some who just use it as a currency. So I think owning bitcoins to be called an investor is not entirely correct. Investing is when you have the purpose of making a profit from it.

Using it for payments differs from owning, holding and investing on it. Do you hold Bitcoin for investing or for paying your bills? While that's true that Bitcoin was certainly made for P2P payments but a lot has changed, that usage was never gone but just added for being a store of value. So, if you have bitcoin and uses it for payments then technically, you're not an investor per se.

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