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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

I think everyone who has or still holds bitcoin can be called a bitcoin investor. As with investing in other instruments, such as the stock market or gold, investors can enter and exit at any time. And that's not a problem because everyone wants to profit from bitcoin price movements. We must be careful in determining when we need to buy bitcoin and hold it and when we sell bitcoin.

But if I have a lot of money, I want to hold some of my assets in bitcoins for a long time and some to trade in bitcoins (daily or weekly trading - scalping)

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The investor is someone injecting funds into the Bitcoin market with the aim of making a profit from its high volatility, development, and adoption. No matter how they use the Bitcoin they bought as long as they plan to make a profit out of their injected money though most investors will hodl until the Bitcoin price in the market hits their target selling price, it is the goal of the person whether he will become a Bitcoin investor or not. Just like when someone buys BTC to use it for the daily transaction and is not aiming for profit but only for convenience then this person is only a user.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

For me being an investor means that your primary end is making money out of something, no matter what. If you just use something than you're a user. If you buy an iPhone you're not an investor because you use the product but if you buy the stock than you're an investor. If you buy and hold bitcoin you can be an investor, if you just need bitcoin to send money (which is its goal by the way) you're a user.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

Both long and short time bitcoin holders are investors and it doesn't matter if they are spending from their wallet often or not, bitcoin is what anyone can have and spend at his convenience each time they wish to release their holdings, we have to also understand that a decentralized currency like bitcoin needs more understanding from us in realising that it's a currency that only exist in digital form which we can decide to exchange, hold or accumulate more as we want each time we so wish as an investor.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

Probably Bitcoin adopter would be a more accurate term on this case. This person has been using Bitcoin as currency on his daily life for purchases and negotiations and doesn't seem to have long term financial returns as a goal. That is the difference between him and Bitcoin investors.

However, I think the hypothetical situation you mentioned is really unlikely, because everyone dealing with Bitcoin daily, being them traders, merchants, freelancers must also be Bitcoin investors, because they understand the potential benefits of holding a portion of BTC on their wallets thinking on future bull runs which have potential to boost the currency's price to new ATH levels. I don't believe there is any Bitcoin adopter who isn't a Bitcoin investor at same time.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

Let's first talk about Investment. What actually is an investment?

An investment is an asset or item acquired with the goal of generating income or appreciation. Appreciation refers to an increase in the value of an asset over time. When an individual purchases a good as an investment, the intent is not to consume the good but rather to use it in the future to create wealth.
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So as you can see, if you are making a profit from something or that thing is increasing in value over time, that's an investment. You set a goal and you work for it.
If someone is hodling Bitcoin in their wallet and spending it little by little while also making profits or the value is increasing over time, then yeah, he could be considered as an investor. But if he is spending without any goal and just as a payment method, he's a Bitcoin user, not an investor.

Also, not only those who are hodling are called investors. There are other ways you can accumulate/acquire Bitcoin. By trading, mining and storing(HODL). In every way, your goal is to make profits out of the time or money you spend on it. Those are the Bitcoin investors.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

I can simply define you Bitcoin investor. Anyone who owns a Bitcoin holds it or does daily trading is called a Bitcoin investor. However, if we talk in general then every person who buys Bitcoin invests in it and waits for some time that its price will be increased sometime are the bitcoin investors. On the other side if a person has a wallet then he is just doing some payment transactions from it and he is not coming from this category but if he buys Bitcoin with the expectation for the future that its price will increase then he is considered to be an investor. Every person has their own definition and does not agree on one so it's my self opinion.

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In my opinion, what is called a BTC investor is a person who holds BTC for a long or short time.

But in this case, everyone has a different opinion.

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Quote from: kryptqnick on July 15, 2023, 07:58:21 AM

If we look at various definitions of investors (I focused on popular dictionaries and Investopedia), it seems that it should be a person or organization that puts money into something with an expectation of financial returns. The profit may never come, but someone is still an investor if the goal for to gain profit. Investors are usually separated from traders because traders actively use their capital for short-term gain, whereas investors are focused on a long-term gain. Considering that, anyone who sets aside some BTC and expects to gain profit this way in the long run is a Bitcoin investor. That doesn't mean that this person can't use some BTC for other purposes, and it also doesn't mean there's any financial threshold to pass because it counts as an investment.

Your explanation of "investor" is great, but lets take it up a notch. You see, in the fast-paced world of Bitcoin, the line between a trader and an investor is often unclear. Can someone who holds BTC because they believe in the technology and dont want to make money right away still be called an investor? Or are they just a hoarder with moral leanings?

Taking your idea a step further, if we zoom out and look at Bitcoin's potential effect on global finance from a macro-perspective, arent we all, inadvertently, "investors" in this paradigm shift? Even if you only have a small amount of BTC, your participation in the community helps it grow. So, maybe its not about the amount or the reason, but rather the shared belief in a free economic future.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

I think investment is something different. Investors "play" their sums of money so that they get "fiat" profit continuously. Some play long-term, some try to get extra money fast, but the key difference is dynamics: the investment process is more dynamic. As for storing BTC and spending BTC, it's more like saving, not investing. Investment is a game, often risky, while long-term hodling and withdrawing when needed is not that risky...

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Quote from: abel1337 on July 15, 2023, 01:40:31 PM

Basically, people who want to invest on bitcoin should know what is the purpose of their bitcoin purchase. There are people who are mainly use it for transaction purposes just like what you said and there are people who buy bitcoin to hold and to make profit in the long run. There are also traders who flip bitcoin for fiat profit also gamblers that use bitcoin to do their gambling activities. There are a lot of reason why people buy bitcoin but I personally believe that an investors are the one who really hold their bitcoin until are satisfied to sell it for a profit.

Everyone has different goals for buying bitcoins but my perspective regarding bitcoin investors aims to hold bitcoins indefinitely because according to market analysis that the bitcoin market has the opportunity to earn profits in the long term based on analysis in terms of achieving the price of each halving. If someone is committed to becoming a wise investor, make sure you use funds from investment allocations without being tied to other funds, because unless you do not determine investment management, you will not be prepared to accept the risk of loss if the market price does not meet expectations.

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Bitcoin investor is actually that person who put some amount of money into bitcoin for the purpose of investment and take benefit out of it and it does not matter that how much you put. One can put little amount as well as larger sum of money depends on what he can afford but a person with saved amount in Bitcoin is a bitcoin investor.

As a person put money for minimum timing then he will not be called as investor but instead he will be a trader because investor possess patience and keep their savings amount in Bitcoin for longer time to reap benefit during Bull season.

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Quote from: Emmanuelex on July 15, 2023, 01:34:42 PM

Quote from: nimogsm on July 15, 2023, 06:24:24 AM

rather, the term is suitable for those who bought bitcoin for money and hold it for a long time and will sell it at the price they want. And the one who has bitcoin in his wallet and spends it and somehow uses it also falls under the category of investor, but the user is likely to be right. Investors usually make few moves, most often it is a purchase and a final sale.

That's right, people don't become Bitcoin investors by just buying Bitcoin and putting in their wallets to be using for transactions or use for a transaction. Anyone that wants to be an investor will always know it from the start, they would know their purpose for being in crypto, and they would always be interested things that has to do with investment and such.

Basically, people who want to invest on bitcoin should know what is the purpose of their bitcoin purchase. There are people who are mainly use it for transaction purposes just like what you said and there are people who buy bitcoin to hold and to make profit in the long run. There are also traders who flip bitcoin for fiat profit also gamblers that use bitcoin to do their gambling activities. There are a lot of reason why people buy bitcoin but I personally believe that an investors are the one who really hold their bitcoin until are satisfied to sell it for a profit.

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Quote from: nimogsm on July 15, 2023, 06:24:24 AM

rather, the term is suitable for those who bought bitcoin for money and hold it for a long time and will sell it at the price they want. And the one who has bitcoin in his wallet and spends it and somehow uses it also falls under the category of investor, but the user is likely to be right. Investors usually make few moves, most often it is a purchase and a final sale.

That's right, people don't become Bitcoin investors by just buying Bitcoin and putting in their wallets to be using for transactions or use for a transaction. Anyone that wants to be an investor will always know it from the start, they would know their purpose for being in crypto, and they would always be interested things that has to do with investment and such.

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Quote from: Franctoshi on July 15, 2023, 07:27:47 AM

In my terms I will classify investors into two categories minor and major investors, those that look for short-term gains from 1 month – 1 year falls under the category of a minor investor, whereas a real investor is someone who does an investment based on a futuristic outcome, so to call yourself a real Bitcoin investor you must have the ability to buy and hold Bitcoin for mid-term to long term, or you are a long-term holder already regardless of the number of Bitcoin that you own.

Minor investors may get profit,but their loss will be acceptable one for them.Because they will inverse their money in little amount and the loss will be very less compared to other investors.The Major investors will look into inverse in huge amount and try to become a big whale to certain projects.Because investment should be bigger to get good money returns from the investment,even at the bear market.Some day traders will earn huge money at the time of bear market by short term selling.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

Bitcoin investors basically refer to those who trade in bitcoins and invest in bitcoins hoping to make a profit. It is not just a small amount of trading in bitcoins to become a bitcoin investor, but becoming a bitcoin investor requires a certain care. Many times people buy bitcoins and declare themselves as investors when in fact to be an investor one must be well informed. A buyer can be considered an investor when he invests in Bitcoin with the intention of holding it for a long period of time. A person who buys and holds bitcoins and then sells them again within a short period of time should not be considered an investor.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

Whether he invested his bitcoins for 1 minute in those private transactions, I think is a pretty broad investment opinion based on our knowledge. Personally, I always see people who come into contact with this market, they are all investors, do you have to own bitcoin to be considered investing? I think no, when you take the time to learn about it you are investing your own knowledge in it, and you are already a difference from the crowd, and the ability to put money into it whether it is or not is a matter of materiality as well as the decision of each person. Try asking some people who started making money in this space from zero what they need to get there, knowledge brings bitcoin, it's happened and is still happening in this forum, truth 100%.

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If we look at various definitions of investors (I focused on popular dictionaries and Investopedia), it seems that it should be a person or organization that puts money into something with an expectation of financial returns. The profit may never come, but someone is still an investor if the goal for to gain profit. Investors are usually separated from traders because traders actively use their capital for short-term gain, whereas investors are focused on a long-term gain. Considering that, anyone who sets aside some BTC and expects to gain profit this way in the long run is a Bitcoin investor. That doesn't mean that this person can't use some BTC for other purposes, and it also doesn't mean there's any financial threshold to pass because it counts as an investment.

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Quote from: OcTradism on July 15, 2023, 07:10:50 AM

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It will just be called as currency if you intend to use it for transactions or any related activities does not include investment. Maybe a proper term for people like that is bitcoin user and not bitcoin investor. The only difference about bitcoin investors they are there as you said aiming to accumulate good profits either for holding it or invest it on other investments. Maybe some people got confuse about it but they should not think about it since its not really important matter to discuss.

I believe that many of us if not all, use Bitcoin in many ways so that our bitcoins serve us with different use cases. Sometimes we use bitcoin as a digital currency for transactions. Other times, we use bitcoins for trading and investment.

In my opinion, it's hard to say what Bitcoin is and it's harder to get agreement with others about this classification. Just say Bitcoin is Bitcoin and you're free to use bitcoin with any use cases it has. Because you will not be winner if you argue with another person who does not use bitcoins in a same way you do.

You have bitcoin, I have bitcoin, so fingers cross and smile together.

Bitcoin is a versatile asset, and whether it becomes an investment or a currency depends on the use case, I find it unnecessary when we are trying to figure out who is an investor and who is a bitcoin user. But undeniably, the people who know and own bitcoin are mostly investors, very few people use bitcoin as a regular means of payment. People only use bitcoin as a payment method to experience or when they can't pay with fiat. Not too many people see it as a currency.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

I think that the name investors implies that it's someone who hold Bitcoin or who invest in bitcoin both in long term and short-term and investor is only in cryptocurrency investment that someone can be called investor because we have different business that someone can investor for such as real estate management and crude oil business and gold mining business, even importation and exportation of goods and services are the major thing people consider as investor, because you are expecting a profit in any of what I mentioned if you plant your money in any

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