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Quote from: anjiitem on September 06, 2023, 08:20:41 PM

Quote from: bhadz on September 06, 2023, 06:46:30 PM

You have bitcoin? Then you're a bitcoin investor. You don't have it, then you're not a bitcoin investor. That's simple as that, as long as you have it on your wallet and you have spent money for buying then you are in the category of being a bitcoin investor. There's also this instance that you're still a bitcoin investor but you haven't spent any penny on it. How? When someone gives it to you and you hold now full custody on it then that's still considered that you're a bitcoin investor if you have kept it and have no plans yet of selling it. There's no need to make things very confusing so if it's no longer in your posession and you sent your bitcoin as a payment, you don't have it anymore. Therefore, you're no longer an investor of it but you used to be.

You're right. As someone who is not an expert, researcher or economic observer or can be called a layman, we do not need to complicate our view of who Bitcoin investors actually are.
Yes, I also think so that there is no need to make it difficult for us to know specifically who a Bitcoin investor is, because in my opinion in simple terms anyone who buys and owns Bitcoin can be considered a Bitcoin investor, despite each of us having different goals and different activities in utilizing the Bitcoin that we have.

But what about those who own bitcoin for the purpose of paying bills? Are they considered bitcoin investors? Because bitcoin was created by Satoshi as a means of peer-to-peer payment and we ourselves made it an investment by creating volatility. As far as I know, not everyone invests in bitcoin, there are still some who just use it as a currency. So I think owning bitcoins to be called an investor is not entirely correct. Investing is when you have the purpose of making a profit from it.

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Quote from: bhadz on September 06, 2023, 06:46:30 PM

You have bitcoin? Then you're a bitcoin investor. You don't have it, then you're not a bitcoin investor. That's simple as that, as long as you have it on your wallet and you have spent money for buying then you are in the category of being a bitcoin investor. There's also this instance that you're still a bitcoin investor but you haven't spent any penny on it. How? When someone gives it to you and you hold now full custody on it then that's still considered that you're a bitcoin investor if you have kept it and have no plans yet of selling it. There's no need to make things very confusing so if it's no longer in your posession and you sent your bitcoin as a payment, you don't have it anymore. Therefore, you're no longer an investor of it but you used to be.

You're right. As someone who is not an expert, researcher or economic observer or can be called a layman, we do not need to complicate our view of who Bitcoin investors actually are.
Yes, I also think so that there is no need to make it difficult for us to know specifically who a Bitcoin investor is, because in my opinion in simple terms anyone who buys and owns Bitcoin can be considered a Bitcoin investor, despite each of us having different goals and different activities in utilizing the Bitcoin that we have.

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You have bitcoin? Then you're a bitcoin investor. You don't have it, then you're not a bitcoin investor. That's simple as that, as long as you have it on your wallet and you have spent money for buying then you are in the category of being a bitcoin investor. There's also this instance that you're still a bitcoin investor but you haven't spent any penny on it. How? When someone gives it to you and you hold now full custody on it then that's still considered that you're a bitcoin investor if you have kept it and have no plans yet of selling it. There's no need to make things very confusing so if it's no longer in your posession and you sent your bitcoin as a payment, you don't have it anymore. Therefore, you're no longer an investor of it but you used to be.

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OP I have read serially with deep understanding on what another member has responded about this topic. Because I was curious to see what they have to say and what they believe as an investor. Am not an expert but what am certain is that you can't call someone an investor when they haven't put capital on a particular thing either for long time with the sole aim of getting profit in return.

Quote from: serjent05 on September 06, 2023, 05:30:22 PM

Traders are also an investors since they invest money to Bitcoin before they trade it.

I get your perspective, buddy, but I don't fully agree. I wouldn't categorize traders as investors, instead, I'd call them gamblers. Trading involves predicting the price of an asset and quickly stake your money to make a profit. On the other hand, investment is about evaluating an asset's potential and putting your funds into it for better long-term returns. On the hand they have one thing in common which is they staking of your capital

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Quote from: KiaKia on September 06, 2023, 09:20:15 AM

Even if you have 500 sat of Bitcoin you are considered a Bitcoin investor, anybody that holds a fraction of Bitcoin is an investor, this is different from a trader but traders can also be an investor because some use trading to increase their quantities of Bitcoin over time, I have seen a pro trader who use 0.003BTC to make 1.1BTC but that's a very long time ago, even gamblers now use gambling to acquire many Bitcoin.

Traders are also an investors since they invest money to Bitcoin before they trade it. Remember one cannot trade if they don't put money on the table. They can also be considered long term holder if they trade for the intention of increasing their holdings by taking advantage of the market volatility.

Quote from: KiaKia on September 06, 2023, 09:20:15 AM

I don't want to know how you get your Bitcoin, either through trading, buying, gambling, and others you are considered an investor if you have some Bitcoin in your wallet and you decide not to sell.

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Quote from: Smartgoat on September 04, 2023, 01:44:37 PM

holding Bitcoin in wallet without investing or trading it, doesn't make someone an investor. you will only called an investor when you are trading on your Bitcoin and making profits.

No surprise that newbie Bitcoiners have some inaccurate knowledge about Bitcoin, @smartgoat, Whether you are trading your Bitcoin for a short-term profit or accumulating and holding it for the long term, you are still considered an investor. As long as you just take out your money to buy Bitcoin and hold it in your wallet, you're an investor, but perhaps if you bought Bitcoin and, let's say, after the market became so bullish, you sold off and only held the Fiat, then you are not an investor again, but you were rather an investor when you had some Bitcoins in your wallet.

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Even if you have 500 sat of Bitcoin you are considered a Bitcoin investor, anybody that holds a fraction of Bitcoin is an investor, this is different from a trader but traders can also be an investor because some use trading to increase their quantities of Bitcoin over time, I have seen a pro trader who use 0.003BTC to make 1.1BTC but that's a very long time ago, even gamblers now use gambling to acquire many Bitcoin.

I don't want to know how you get your Bitcoin, either through trading, buying, gambling, and others you are considered an investor if you have some Bitcoin in your wallet and you decide not to sell.

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Quote from: Obari on September 05, 2023, 02:59:36 AM

I think from the common man's definition, anyone who has a fraction of bitcoin ought to be regarded as an investor because you already bought and invested in bitcoin regardless of how much and how long you hodl.
But on the real sense, people who hold for a much longer time are the real investors as there are several classes of bitcoiners which include both the day traders, long term holders as well as the scalpers but regardless of whatever class we call in, I think they're all investors.

No matter how long or short you hold the bitcoin, it is classed as an investment as long as you hold it and expect a profit on it because there are investors that are new. Let's say those newbies are holding a bitcoin and they thought it was easy, so they will sell it off. But in that short period of time they hold the bitcoin, they are investors, but it is just that they are lacking some knowledge and not able to control their emotions, which is why they sell off early.

There are no real or fake investors; it is only good or bad investors if we differ because others just jump into holding Bitcoin as they were persuaded by someone, but there are also still people who conduct research on Bitcoin for a couple of months before investing in it. So all of us are investors if we hold a bitcoin; it is just a matter of how good we are at holding it as well as controlling our emotions.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

Generally investor mean someone who are gaining profit from the increasing price of an asset, the same applied to Bitcoin, if a person is buying Bitcoin solely to gain some profit when the price of Bitcoin goes up, then he/she is investor. For your first case, people who has Bitcoin on their wallet and spend it for something or using it for a transaction, I think the correct term is Bitcoin Adopter, because they adopt Bitcoin as their currency for transaction.

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Quote from: serjent05 on July 09, 2023, 06:12:41 PM

It was defined that investors are the person who allocates their money with the expectation to profit so basically investors are people who buy Bitcoin in the belief that they will profit from it. Those who buy Bitcoin and spend it may not be considered a Bitcoin investor but rather a Bitcoin user.

I think Bitcoin investors are people who basically has interest in cyrpto currencies and believe so much it it's potential.
Where as they trade on Bitcoin currency as per buying and selling and regaining profits from them.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

There is a similar thread where this discussed extensively. I tried to make search but the forum and cloud fare could not allow me.
How about we call it "Bitcoin owner"
Ensure you first have Bitcoin, it is you that will determine if the money you put into bitcoin is for investment. If yes, it's bitcoin investment. If not, name it according to your purpose.

Those who spend Bitcoin are called Bitcoin users, they can't be an owner anymore if they buy and spend their Bitcoin since the spending part simply means they are parting with their Bitcoins.

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Quote from: lepbagong on September 05, 2023, 09:12:40 AM

I think everyone has different views, and there are those who still continue to do daily trading because they have certainly analyzed it well and maybe they can still make a profit, although I also believe that those who do daily trading will not let go of the long term because it is clearly very profitable.Even though daily trading is very risky without accurate analysis and is not recommended for those without experience, it is still the case that long-term investment is the best, and I agree with what you say.

I find it very easy to make money from daily trading. However, if I do daily trading, I trade more in altcoins, and if I invest for the long term, I invest in Bitcoin. Let us remember. Bitcoin is popular, so if you invest in Bitcoin, you never have to face any problem. However, you can make some money from daily trading with some risk in altcoin. But sometimes you lose money while trading. I trade by accepting both profit and loss. It is very good for me.

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Quote from: Obari on September 05, 2023, 02:59:36 AM

I think from the common man's definition, anyone who has a fraction of bitcoin ought to be regarded as an investor because you already bought and invested in bitcoin regardless of how much and how long you hodl.
But on the real sense, people who hold for a much longer time are the real investors as there are several classes of bitcoiners which include both the day traders, long term holders as well as the scalpers but regardless of whatever class we call in, I think they're all investors.

Hmmm, that's a really broad view on bitcoin investors and although you are right but with the original take of bitcoin as a currency itself I wouldn't class every one that has bitcoin as an investor because from what I understand it's first purpose entirely was to be used as an online money so I think having money in your account doesn't actually classify you as an investor because most people just have bitcoin and never think of holding it as an investment means.

I get your points and I guess your points is coming from bitcoin being a digital currency but I was on the other hand seeing bitcoin as a digital asset and bitcoin being a digital asset simply means that anyone holding a fraction or portion of it automatically becomes an investor and this is drawn from a case scenario of some one owning a physical asset like shares and irrespective of how much shares one owns they are still considered as shareholder and I think that is also applicable when seeing bitcoin as a digital asset rather than a digital or virtual currency.

I understand that moat persons don't ry have intentions of holding bitcoin but there are cases where people make profit as well as losses unconsciously while holding their coins hence they also take same risk as investors.

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Quote from: Obari on September 05, 2023, 02:59:36 AM

I think from the common man's definition, anyone who has a fraction of bitcoin ought to be regarded as an investor because you already bought and invested in bitcoin regardless of how much and how long you hodl.
But on the real sense, people who hold for a much longer time are the real investors as there are several classes of bitcoiners which include both the day traders, long term holders as well as the scalpers but regardless of whatever class we call in, I think they're all investors.

Hmmm, that's a really broad view on bitcoin investors and although you are right but with the original take of bitcoin as a currency itself I wouldn't class every one that has bitcoin as an investor because from what I understand it's first purpose entirely was to be used as an online money so I think having money in your account doesn't actually classify you as an investor because most people just have bitcoin and never think of holding it as an investment means.

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Quote from: Richycryp on September 04, 2023, 08:26:09 PM

Well my own contributions and understanding on your question is that.
Anyone that has bitcoin in the wallet can be called a trader, some may not see their self as a trader because they are not watching the market or reading news about bitcoin, meanwhile bitcoin normally goes up and down and it effect everyone that has bitcoin in the wallets anytime bitcoin makes moves.

At this point you are also a trader but you may not know or consider to be a trader, the only people that that consider to be a trader is those ones that watch the market and know when to buy and sell.

Well my answer goes like this. Anyone that has bitcoin in the wallets is a trader period.

I think trading bitcoin is different from investing, trading happens to be an excess which is short and with the short time the trader is expected to make gain in every trade. While investing bitcoin happens to invest a particular among of money that is expected to be long-term for reasonable amount of profit to be gain from the market. When investing it is not necessary for one to monitor the market all time to check the up and the down of the market, investing is mostly profitable when it is long-term. Trading and investing are two different things .

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Quote from: Smartgoat on September 04, 2023, 01:44:37 PM

holding Bitcoin in wallet without investing or trading it, doesn't make someone an investor. you will only called an investor when you are trading on your Bitcoin and making profits.

You are wrong on this assumption and in fact a Bitcoin trader may not be considered as an investor since he could possibly lose his capital plus all the gains that he made previously, trading and gambling are in the same category as high risk activities and should not be relied on.

When you talk about an investor, what that means is that their is capital protection even though you don't make any profits or lose in the business, and holding bitcoin in your noncustodial wallet is the best form of Bitcoin investment since it reduces your risk of losing your coins, but when you trade on exchange, remember not your keys, not your coins.

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Quote from: Outhue on September 05, 2023, 04:09:49 AM

Trading shouldn't be confused with investing, there are two types of crypto investors, the short term investors and the long term investors.

Short term investors buy some Bitcoin or crypto with the hope of making some percentages in a very limited period of time, for example in a few months, when that time comes they take profits and move out of the market until they are ready for another round, mostly after another dip occurs.

Long term investors are those who willing believe in the money making aspect and also the technology, they are ready to make money from Bitcoin and they are also a long term believers, such people will always stay even after they sold their bags, they focus on having more quantities of Bitcoin as year's go by.

Traders cares about price action only, through the fluctuation of prices they make their calls and if they are right they go home with profits, there is no need to wait for weeks, months or years to make money with trading, price actions is what feeds traders, they are not investors.

Looking back, trading and investing are very different. Short-term buyers are crypto marathon sprinters, as you accurately said. To take advantage of fleeting opportunities, they pace themselves for brief bursts of speed. They are perceptive, watchful, and hopeful. Long-term buyers, however, show patience. Marathon runners maintain a constant pace and concentrate on the goal. They are the core of the cryptocurrency community and think blockchain can change the world. What about crypto influencers and educators? Those who mold opinions, perspectives, and stories without transacting or making investments? Their significance is likewise significant. You cannot ignore their modest but significant contribution in this ecosystem

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Quote from: Obari on September 05, 2023, 02:59:36 AM

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There are many ways to earn money by investing in Bitcoin but among them I prefer long term investment. Long term investment gives good amount of profit. For that I prefer long term investment. But here is day trading. Not much profit from trading is waste of time for which I don't like it much.

I think everyone has different views, and there are those who still continue to do daily trading because they have certainly analyzed it well and maybe they can still make a profit, although I also believe that those who do daily trading will not let go of the long term because it is clearly very profitable.Even though daily trading is very risky without accurate analysis and is not recommended for those without experience, it is still the case that long-term investment is the best, and I agree with what you say.

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Quote from: Obari on September 05, 2023, 02:59:36 AM

I think from the common man's definition, anyone who has a fraction of bitcoin ought to be regarded as an investor because you already bought and invested in bitcoin regardless of how much and how long you hodl.
But on the real sense, people who hold for a much longer time are the real investors as there are several classes of bitcoiners which include both the day traders, long term holders as well as the scalpers but regardless of whatever class we call in, I think they're all investors.

There are many ways to earn money by investing in Bitcoin but among them I prefer long term investment. Long term investment gives good amount of profit. For that I prefer long term investment. But here is day trading. Not much profit from trading is waste of time for which I don't like it much.

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Trading shouldn't be confused with investing, there are two types of crypto investors, the short term investors and the long term investors.

Short term investors buy some Bitcoin or crypto with the hope of making some percentages in a very limited period of time, for example in a few months, when that time comes they take profits and move out of the market until they are ready for another round, mostly after another dip occurs.

Long term investors are those who willing believe in the money making aspect and also the technology, they are ready to make money from Bitcoin and they are also a long term believers, such people will always stay even after they sold their bags, they focus on having more quantities of Bitcoin as year's go by.

Traders cares about price action only, through the fluctuation of prices they make their calls and if they are right they go home with profits, there is no need to wait for weeks, months or years to make money with trading, price actions is what feeds traders, they are not investors.

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Quote from: Mia Chloe on July 09, 2023, 02:30:32 PM

When someone has a particular wallet which he spends Bitcoins from can he be considered a Bitcoin investor?
Or does the term investor refer only to those who hodl Bitcoin?

Well, If he is just using Bitcoin as currency and not holding it for long to gain, then for me he's just using it for convenience. Because if we say investor, you're waiting to gain from what you invested either for short or long term. Therefore if you're not gaining from Bitcoin then I don't think you're an investor since you have other purpose on how you use your Bitcoin.

Anyway, we have our own understanding and stance regarding this hence I don't think it's a big deal. We're free to use our Bitcoin depending on what we think is beneficial and of course on what we believe in.

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