Topic: Who is &quot;Variety Jones&quot;? - page 11. (Read 47228 times)

http://allthingsvice.com/2015/05/27/silk-road-from-the-inside-moderator-ssbd-tells-his-story/

That's a very interesting read. I'm not even sure how they can justify arresting someone for merely being a moderator of a message board, especially one that was as far as I'm aware separate from the actual site. He didn't commit any crimes or was involved in the drug dealing aspect of it. What was he actually arrested for? The article doesn't seem to say.

Yeah, I find it bizarre in general, how some computer related crimes are treated by the US judiciary system. DDos attack=10 years???

Why?

A lot of people seem to have this bizarre idea that computers aren't "real" or that programs aren't "real." Why shouldn't we write laws that deal with the use and misuse of computer systems?

10 years is harsh for a ddos attack but some punishments fit the crime. There's not much difference between robbing a bank in the real world or doing it from behind a computer in my opinion. Both are thefts and involve stealing money. Life in prison for running a 'website' may seem very harsh but its the nature of it. He facilitated the sale of hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars worth of drugs and illegal items thus making him a drug kingpin. He also laundered and evaded taxes. There's then the murder charges as well don't forget though they wernt relevant to this trial though the judge may have taken them into consideration.

I think the punishment should always fit to the damage, that is beeing done. When someone takes down a website, I don't think he should go to jail for that. If someone pays for a killer, he should at least be punished with "attempted murder".

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Quote from: Blackbird0 on May 30, 2015, 10:23:35 AM

Quote from: AGD on May 27, 2015, 07:04:17 AM

http://allthingsvice.com/2015/05/27/silk-road-from-the-inside-moderator-ssbd-tells-his-story/

That's a very interesting read. I'm not even sure how they can justify arresting someone for merely being a moderator of a message board, especially one that was as far as I'm aware separate from the actual site. He didn't commit any crimes or was involved in the drug dealing aspect of it. What was he actually arrested for? The article doesn't seem to say.

Yeah, I find it bizarre in general, how some computer related crimes are treated by the US judiciary system. DDos attack=10 years???

Why?

A lot of people seem to have this bizarre idea that computers aren't "real" or that programs aren't "real." Why shouldn't we write laws that deal with the use and misuse of computer systems?

10 years is harsh for a ddos attack but some punishments fit the crime. There's not much difference between robbing a bank in the real world or doing it from behind a computer in my opinion. Both are thefts and involve stealing money. Life in prison for running a 'website' may seem very harsh but its the nature of it. He facilitated the sale of hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars worth of drugs and illegal items thus making him a drug kingpin. He also laundered and evaded taxes. There's then the murder charges as well don't forget though they wernt relevant to this trial though the judge may have taken them into consideration.

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Quote from: Kyraishi on May 30, 2015, 08:54:05 AM

Quote from: Sutters Mill on May 30, 2015, 08:28:04 AM

I doubt he'd get the same sentence as Ross - he didn't create the site and was only really a helper/adviser, but nobody will hear from Vanity Jones ever again. I think he was probably much smarter than Ross and new how to protect himself better whilst not having as much heat on him. I'm not sure what he could be charged with either.

I highly doubt that you are talking about this VJ: Vanity Jones

The person in discussion here is Variety Jones, not that smoking hot babe Vanity Jones.
But thanks, I didn't know her and that she is so hot Wink

Which picture? Those are mostly images of actresses Felicity Jones and Rashida Jones at a Vanity Fair party.

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Quote from: AGD on May 27, 2015, 07:04:17 AM

http://allthingsvice.com/2015/05/27/silk-road-from-the-inside-moderator-ssbd-tells-his-story/

That's a very interesting read. I'm not even sure how they can justify arresting someone for merely being a moderator of a message board, especially one that was as far as I'm aware separate from the actual site. He didn't commit any crimes or was involved in the drug dealing aspect of it. What was he actually arrested for? The article doesn't seem to say.

Yeah, I find it bizarre in general, how some computer related crimes are treated by the US judiciary system. DDos attack=10 years???

Why?

A lot of people seem to have this bizarre idea that computers aren't "real" or that programs aren't "real." Why shouldn't we write laws that deal with the use and misuse of computer systems?

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Quote from: Sutters Mill on May 30, 2015, 08:28:04 AM

Now with Ross facing to spend the rest of his life in prison, VJ should get that helicopter started as he promised.
If he wasn't working with the feds, he is facing about the same sentence as Ross got, so I doubt, that he has the balls to risk his life with his super duper escape plan. He is, just like Ross, only strong behind his computer, but when it comes to "real life" he fails.

I doubt he'd get the same sentence as Ross - he didn't create the site and was only really a helper/adviser, but nobody will hear from Vanity Jones ever again. I think he was probably much smarter than Ross and new how to protect himself better whilst not having as much heat on him. I'm not sure what he could be charged with either.

I highly doubt that you are talking about this VJ: Vanity Jones

The person in discussion here is Variety Jones, not that smoking hot babe Vanity Jones.
But thanks, I didn't know her and that she is so hot Wink

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Quote from: AGD on May 30, 2015, 02:17:05 AM

Now with Ross facing to spend the rest of his life in prison, VJ should get that helicopter started as he promised.
If he wasn't working with the feds, he is facing about the same sentence as Ross got, so I doubt, that he has the balls to risk his life with his super duper escape plan. He is, just like Ross, only strong behind his computer, but when it comes to "real life" he fails.

I doubt he'd get the same sentence as Ross - he didn't create the site and was only really a helper/adviser, but nobody will hear from Vanity Jones ever again. I think he was probably much smarter than Ross and new how to protect himself better whilst not having as much heat on him. I'm not sure what he could be charged with either.

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You really think, that VJ will risk his ass, just because he once promised it to an anonymous guy on the darknet?...

It'd make for a better movie than if he didn't Cheesy

lol!

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Quote from: BayAreaCoins on May 30, 2015, 02:01:32 AM

He is, just like Ross, only strong behind his computer, but when it comes to "real life" he fails.

Your crystal ball tell you this? Roll Eyes

I think they have enough time to get people employed where Ross is going to end up if they wanted/have the resources.

And

How did Ross fail in real life? The only person I saw him rat on was Mark K and Mark fucked everyone six ways from Sunday anyways.

You really think, that VJ will risk his ass, just because he once promised it to an anonymous guy on the darknet? I bet, he won't.
Especially knowing, that Ross has saved every evidence, to bring VJ behind bars forever? LOL! Never!

I agree, that Ross once was a nice and intelligent guy, but anonymity, power and money has turned him into this merciless drug lord, he was sentenced for. Would he be doing the same without a computer? I think not.

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He is, just like Ross, only strong behind his computer, but when it comes to "real life" he fails.

Your crystal ball tell you this? Roll Eyes

I think they have enough time to get people employed where Ross is going to end up if they wanted/have the resources.

And

How did Ross fail in real life? The only person I saw him rat on was Mark K and Mark fucked everyone six ways from Sunday anyways.

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Now with Ross facing to spend the rest of his life in prison, VJ should get that helicopter started as he promised.
If he wasn't working with the feds, he is facing about the same sentence as Ross got, so I doubt, that he has the balls to risk his life with his super duper escape plan. He is, just like Ross, only strong behind his computer, but when it comes to "real life" he fails.

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http://twitchfilm.com/2015/05/interview-alex-winter-ventures-down-the-silk-road-in-deep-web.html

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The mysterious Variety Jones, supposedly Ross' mentor, is brought up in the film, just a little bit. Could you elaborate on his role in the film? Where does this guy fit in?

There was stuff I could not put in for legal reasons, there were other elements that might cross ethical lines with the ongoing trial. I did not want to insert myself into the trail, nor have an impact on the outcome one way or another. If I had some bombshell truth or something, maybe. But I know a few of the architects of The Silk Road who are at large, but they are sources, and that is who that runs.

Variety Jones in there because he is an example of just how many people are embedded in the the story of The Silk Road. From what we know, Variety Jones had extensive history going back to the late 1980s, in the BBS/UseNet era. These people were using encrypted email back then. Global business people with wives or children with savvy on the political side, the business side and the technology side of things.

He is one of these types of people. Mark Karpelès [ed: The CEO of former Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox] comes up in the trial. Whether Karpelès has any real culpability we do not know. But what we do know is that there are a lot of very sophisticated people in these communities for a long time.

Read more: http://twitchfilm.com/2015/05/interview-alex-winter-ventures-down-the-silk-road-in-deep-web.html#ixzz3bVNiXNAz

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http://allthingsvice.com/2015/05/27/silk-road-from-the-inside-moderator-ssbd-tells-his-story/

That's a very interesting read. I'm not even sure how they can justify arresting someone for merely being a moderator of a message board, especially one that was as far as I'm aware separate from the actual site. He didn't commit any crimes or was involved in the drug dealing aspect of it. What was he actually arrested for? The article doesn't seem to say.

Yeah, I find it bizarre in general, how some computer related crimes are treated by the US judiciary system. DDos attack=10 years???

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