Topic: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? - page 11. (Read 6939 times)

I see this from the point of view that they are doing everything so that Trump falls because he is a very good candidate, it cannot be Denied that the guy has his Followers , with respect to Biden I see that he is a gentleman, what has he done ? things are fine, he has not been a person who attacks others, but rather he has kept things in sound judgment and things can be very Decisive if this Trump can seize power , now what About Trump and his Cases, is something that sometimes doesn't give me a very good feeling, I think similar to what they have said, that they are seeking to disable him, not only or do they do it in North Korea and Russia , they also do it in Venezuela, it is a fact that things when They are trying to do things for a better path , things are beginning to be Fixed , I believe that the Democrats have to do something, they have to accept that things will happen with Trump and that the best person wins, they have to leave their fear behind , because This practice of these things is not nice at all and is seen very badly in the USA.

The USA is known for being one of the countries with the most freedoms in the world, and it can be the example for many more and follow it as they are, in part I have always been curious to live in that country but seeing how difficult it is for companies Accepting engineers from South America thinking that those from there are better is something I don't like , Something like that happens in Europe, and that's something that doesn't add up, well at least to me, because that's what cultures are about and what they can do. a president from his chair will tell the difference, I understand that right now the US system is very Problematic with Everything that has to do with illegal immigration and all this, but basically I would not like to live in a country where I have to clean floors , Bathrooms, washing dishes because I Studied a strong career , and it is not because of the work , because work does not dishonor , it is because I told myself , if one day I go to work in these Countries , I think they really have to value what I Have done in my life. career and so that they realize that I know, then immigration policies must Undoubtedly change to accept people who are Prepared and not let Anyone enter, only those who Contribute to the country with the respective visas.

SCOTUS has a solid conservative majority of 6-3, and out of the six conservative judges three were appointed by Trump himself. Given this, I am not sure whether SCOTUS will uphold the decision to remove him from ballot. In the end, Democrats will fail in their aim and it will only provide more ammunition to Trump to carry on with his campaign. And this is not the right time for all this legal drama. Biden is well behind Trump in nation-wide opinion polls, and people will interpret all this as a last ditch effort from Biden to avoid a defeat to Trump.

Your point is well taken.  To me I think it's insane to like either of these candidates, and the fact that it's already a forgone conclusion that it'll be Biden vs Trump (I have no doubts that Trump will still end up being able to run) is insane.  They are both losing their minds and unfit for office.  This is what's going to make this race so difficult to bet on.  If you're not in the US then it's probably difficult to grasp how much damage these two dinosaurs have done to the nation. 

This is truly going to be the most difficult election to bet on IMO. As of right now it's a complete dart throw.  But, we'll see how thing shake out in what is sure to be miserable time for us Americans.

I have learn something about politic, emotion is out of the game and that is what some of us don't understand. If Donald Trump is guilty of the charges, there is no need for the side talk because he can't do anything but this are supreme court judgement, he can go further to the federal supreme court to appeal his case and I believe he will be heard and such matter is something they can't play because the world is wathcing and they wouldn't jeopardize the reputation of the judicial in the US just because they don't want to see Trump contest for 2024 election.

I don't like Biden system of government but definitely, Trump is not what I look forward to win because the US doesn't revolve around this two, there should be other candidate that can take the task and give America the best they need and not this two using lives and properties for their own selfish interest, I can't forget Trump and the dramas he made the world face during his tenure even though some how I like his leadership for been feared but he talk too much, there is a way North Korea is been fear but doens't talk much.

Colorado is not even a state Trump was counting on to win the presidential election next year, by the way, as far as I have investigated, Colorado is a blue state which college votes will likely go to Biden. The importance of this lawsue against the existence of Donald Trump in the ballot is more about the precedent which is being established for Trump to be excluded in other states which are more important for him to defeat Biden.
This is a very bizarre situation, to be honest, if things continue to go this direction the Supreme court of the USA are who are going to have to power to either downplay the exclusion or not. Just think about it for a moment, a handful of people in the USA could easily completely remove Trump off the ballot nationaly, paving the road for Nikki Haley or De Santis to absorb all his support for themselves.
If I had to bet, I am very sure the SCOTUS won't dare to exclude Trump of the ballot because if the dangerous implications of doing so. On the other hand, Trump had already capitalized the support of moderate Republicans who will side with him because they may view this as a blatant violation of the people to choose their rulers... Each step which is taken against Trump, only increases his chances of getting away with the presidency, it seems democrats do not acknowledge it yet.

Well.. the election system in the United States is a bit complicated. They follow the electoral college system. So even if Trump is not there in the ballot in most of the states, he can put a proxy candidate who will transfer the electoral college votes to him. Also, does the Colorado ruling means that Trump can't be even a write-in candidate in that state? BTW, what are the chances that Trump will not be on the ballot in any of the states where he is leading currently, such as Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania or Texas?

If there are enough states that does this like Colarado did, then there are two possibilities. One, either Trump still gets the nomination and they will do their best but they will definitely lose because without being on the ballot then you can't win, and enough states means you are going to be guaranteed to lose, so they will just chant election interference even though it's known that he won't be there a year earlier, and yet they didn't do anything about it. Or they will pick someone else, which is the smart thing to do.

The reality is that we are talking about laws here, and if you break a law, you can't be the president, it is not election interference, it is literally what the law says, but you can't explain this to republicans.

Actually. Keeping in mind what happened back during the pandemic and the unlawful management of George Floyd, I think the United States does not have much of a good experience handling situations which can lead towards riots and civil unrest in the country. The Supreme Court will likely rule in favor of Trump.
Also, in the very unlikely scenario they actually decide Trump cannot run as president because he participated in insurrection, I wonder what would happen to the stake of those who betted in favor of him on casinos like Stake. I assume that those casinos will wait until the last minute until Joe Biden or any other candidate gets elected before declaring winners, losers and settle the money in the accounts of those who won the bet. Otherwise, it would be problematic, in case some revesal happens.

The Democrat candidate would not change, that is for sure, it will continue to be Biden. Though, Nikki has gained so much Stream and backing in her campaign that she has more chances to beat Joe Biden than DeSantis, would Trump be revomed from the ballot.

I heard about this news circulating some time ago, but this has indeed become a debate among several levels of US society, especially those who are sympathizers or supporters of Trump.
It just that there is big possibility that riots or demonstrators will break out if in the future there is decision by the United States Supreme Court that takes firm action in disqualifying legitimate presidential election candidates.
Often there are debates and problems that end in riots or supporters of one side of a particular party hold large demonstrations to be able to protest against several policies that are not appropriate.
There are also several parties, this problem occurred because there were certain parties who started this problem to be able to bring down Trump and make him unable to continue as an election candidate because Trump is quite strong candidate with really solid supporters.

But until now there has been no clear decision and there is no other recent news about the problems that Trump is experiencing, and I think the United States Supreme Court will also consider many aspects to issue decision that will be taken.
I sure that the Supreme Court of the United States will definitely be able to determine the decisions taken very well and of course there will be various efforts that will be made to prevent undesirable things from happening, such as riots among demonstrators which could possibly break out at any time.

Yes, nothing has really changed. Who voted for democrats in 2020 will still vote for them again in 2024, while those who voted for republicans will repeat the dose. People are convicted or alienated enough to not change any of their stances along the years. The phenomeon of internet just intensified political positions of the citizens of every countries in general. In the previous decades, we had more diversification of results and proposals from one election to another, but now it's the same thing (or the same bullshit) going on since 2016.

People keep repeating the same jargons like parrots and idolizing politicians as they didn't have anything better to do on their lives. After all, this is going to be another unpredictable election decided on the slight margin of few percents, although it's not an exclusive north american situation: the whole continent is facing this quite often on their presidential polls! Let's see if Trump has what it needs to make a comeback!

All this drama will end up giving more mileage to Donald Trump. Removing a candidate from running for election is something that usually happens in authoritarian countries such as North Korea and Russia. If the Democrats are moving towards such a system, then it means that they are afraid of competition and want to ban the opposition. Democrats can't decide who will be the candidate from the GOP. And the most laughable thing is that they are doing this in Colorado, a state where Trump has minimal chances of winning.

The exclusion can be contested, someone pointed out that the news ironically could further help Trump gain the narrative of being suppressed and since its a common factor with every party and modern democracy that any candidate can lose from apathy a lack of people who actually turn up to cast their vote when required;  putting fire in the bellies of potential supports giving them a story to cast the good fight against etc.  this can actually help more then it will harm Trumps campaign.
   Its nonsense but so is alot of modern politics in effect, you ask millions of people to decide complex decisions on various economic and international diplomatic factors completely outside their normal scope of interest and instead it can become a circus with arbitrary or emotional team voting.   Personally I find it hard to believe Trump can win yet last I heard its unlikely anyone can mass similar figures, thats why I think in a years time Biden/Democratic remains odds on favorite across the board.

I did not completely understand the new law. I had hear about it, though. But I don't fully understand whether the Mexican government will collaborate with the imprisonment of those who try to illegally cross into the United States or not.
I ask because even if Republicans would be in favor of throwing people into prisons because they violated the immigration law, one must wonder to what extent the average citizen of Texas is willing to use their tax money to keep foreign nationals in their system of prisons.

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In other News:
Donald Trump is facing exclusion from the voting ballot in the state of Colorado. It is still an ongoing news, but if there is something to anticipate from it is that Donald will get even more support from the fact there has been attempts to legally exclude him from being a valid candidate for the presidential election or the primaries of the party.
Obviously, now the betting and the stakes are put on the chances the Supreme Court of the United States steps forward with their decision to either allow or disqualify Trump.
I expect some civil unrest in the case he actually gets disqualified by the SCOTUS, what a weird times to live in...

It seems to be about 50-50 really.

Even in the latest vote to not allow him the vote was extremely close.

I'm not sure what is going to happen, but Trump definitely gets the most attention. I would even say he gets more attention that the POTUS these days...

In direct confrontation with the federal government, Texas governor Greg Abbott has signed the bill SB4, which would make border crossings unlawful and an offense that comes with imprisonment. Republican states such as Arizona and Texas have been rebelling against the Biden policies for sometime, as they are bearing the brunt of the illegal immigration onslaught. Biden will move against the bill, and this will further polarize the electorate ahead of the 2024 POTUS elections. And more importantly, it puts moderate Democrats in a tough situation.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67753877

If no one wants Trump anymore, why is he the leading GOP presidential nominee according to surveys among Republicans? Also, you say that the Republicans will win the election, however, it will certainly be very difficult if Trump was not the running candidate. I would speculate that they will lose without Trump.

Also, has the primaries started already? The thread creator should post them.

There is some component of homophobia with the way the news have spread this last weekend, yes. The Republican voters are trying to picture that happening as a sample of the lack of control the Biden administration has over the institutions and from things like that to continue to happen in official buildings. If you looked for the news and comments on Twitter/X, you will find people talking about how degenerate the government has become. Regardless of whether those people were homosexual or not, they were never supposed to film themselves having sex in such a place. That man was asking to get fired by performing such action, in my opinion.

I am not from the United States either, and I must admit the current state of the Republican party has made very difficult for a centrism to vote for them. Even if Trump's odds continue to raise in the casino, I am not completely sure yet if he will be able to conquer the white house again, the immigration problem and the fact democrats allow these scandals to happen makes me overthink it, though...

This is not really regarding homophobic or not though, is it? I am not American, but if I was American I would vote democrat no matter who, I would always support democrats because they are really doing more progressive thinking then anyone else and the only thing that doesn't change is change itself so I am aware that what we consider moral or ethical right now, may not be moral in 100 years, or what we consider immoral may not be immoral in 100 years, people literally killed Alan Turing for being gay, when he saved UK in such an important war, so we do progress even if you like it or not, today republicans may not go out and say we hate gay people, and the only reason for that is there was a war fought against homophobia for the past 50 years.

However, even with all that in mind, if I saw a video of a man and woman having sex at that place, I would be against that too, it's a political place that means something, not a place to have a relationship in, that's just disrespectful, go do it at any bed you want, not there.

Ironically, it seems that the issue of inmigration in the United States could the the final nail on the coffin for Biden and his intention to continue to be the president of the country for other 4 years. At the beginning, I thought sending immigrants to sanctuary cities from Texas was a political show by the governor of that state, but I was proven wrong, as he constantly continues to ship people from the southern border, mayors from big blue cities have started to feel the pressure of having all that people there in their jurisdictions. I even saw a video of the mayor of Detroit bitterly complaining against what Greg Abbott is doing.
I am sure those videos are only going to further encourage Abbott to send more people in those democrat held cities.
The division and conquering part comes when the federal government does not seem to be willing to help those same blue cities, in that sense, the inhabitants of New York, Detroit and other places won't forget and blindly forgive how the federal government (aka Joe Biden) is turning it's back on them and not providing relief from the huge economical stress and charge which is maintaining those thousands and thousands of human beings living in standard conditions.
The Trump message on the border will certainly appeal to those who most feel wronged about the current situation and are within the center of the political spectrum.

Most likely, the republican party will win next election, but it will not be Trump. Nobody likes him anymore, not even Republicans. Only deranged trolls on X support him nowadays.

The fact is that he's not even in the primaries and taking part in any debates, and refuses to sign allegiance to the Republican party unlike all the other candidates.


It certainly does not look like X is staying neutral in any of this but I will leave that thought in the closet.