Topic: who Want To Bet On 2024 USA elections? - page 7. (Read 6913 times)

I don't actually know if it's right for us to start discussing politics proper on this board, but I guess we have that right based on the topic of this thread, and based on that, I would say that many are actually rooting for trump to win the US election, I personally don't know very much about the US politics, but over here in Nigerian, the majority of our citizens are all hoping and wishing and praying that trump wins the election.

And based on this, if I was to be betting on this election, I think I will for sure give my bet to trump, and it does matter his odds of winning, whether it be slim or big, I will definitely bet any amount of money I am willing to lose; on Trump winning the US election.

Sure, unlike many other countries around the world, the power of the government in the United States is not centralized in the figure of the President, here is common for the president to do whatever he wants, specially because he has gotten the support of the congress and the rest of the branches of the government, but that is not necessarily what is going to happen if Trump wins, he could still have much opposition in the Senate  and house of representatives.
Perhaps, you are right and the help for Ukraine won't completely stop, but I am sure there will be Republican and even lobbies paid by the Kremlin itself to try to reduce the amount of the aid sent to your country. Hopefully I am wrong, though.

I have got the impression the United States, same as many other countries around the world, is not the kind of democracy which tries to implement what the people wants, but what the donators and the established billionaires want. It takes a look at the relationships between the members of the Supreme court of the United States and some rich people who try to use their gifts and money to influence on the decisions of the court.

Anyways, let us see if Biden can beat Trump once more and continue to support your Republic another ,four years...

Because, if elected, Trump as President of the United States will be doing what people of the United States want, and they to help Ukraine to fight Russian aggressors. I think even most Republicans want that, let alone Democrats and others. Trump will not be doing what he personally wants, no American president could do that.

Its not a coincidence especially, Trump has a similar kind of management style to other top down presidents of country with large commodity deposits.   USA is large enough to join OPEC so is Russia, they both have that kind of power ready for anyone leading that country.   I dont think Russia is controlling Trump but they may well prefer him to any alternative leader.  You can settle that idea by the expansion or contraction of NATO and Trump has many times said he would like USA to stop funding so much of NATO control in various parts of the world.  Russia wants him in power for just that reason alone, fairly simple desire would help them out considerably without going into detail.

I think in betting odds and the arc of this election we'll have Trump max out his appeal.  Actually winning from here despite appearing with gains is quite hard.   For the same reason he garners REP support he will fail to gain any swing voters and the election isnt being won with purely only Rep voters.  Maybe if Dem lost alot during a recession but we dont see that scenario apparently.

This is a very strong topic and at the same time it is very delicate, things when it comes to doing and seeing in the best possible way one always sees things as they are , first of all me as a Normal human , who has nothing to do with the war in Between these two Countries , I always Advocate for things to be resolved, but taking into account that wars bring Million-dollar business models with other countries, it is difficult , because if you are Getting a lot of money, then you don't Want to that Wars are over, the same thing happens with oil, gasoline, even though there are many things that use electrical energy, nothing like hydrocarbons, and that is a very good business model that there is, OPEC will not stop make agreements to see if things improve for the Countrie s, gas, everything that RUSSIA offers, that business has another supplier, another country, these are the things that Should be seen, of course it is clear that things should always be done thinking about what better for them.

The conflict they have between Russia and Ukraine is over land , I don't know, if from the documents that go back to history, then that Belongs to the Russia that we knew before, but things are different now, and we also know that a country like The USA gets involved, whether they are Right or not , they get involved, whether good or bad, they Always have the idea of doing things that way, of course this is something that is always evident , we as good speculators of history can say a lot , but the truth is that only Russia and only Ukraine handle it , the fact that the USA Gets Involved is absolutely nothing, if I have a Problem with one neighbor, it makes no Sense for neighbors who are more than two Blocks away to get Involved. mess, then that's how they Start Making alliances and everything else, for that reason we in the world see that things are very Different When it comes to , doing the best and resolving conflicts, in the end those who get Involved don't fix Anything , that Whether Biden Resigns or Trump wins right now makes no sense , it will make sense when the next president of the USA wins, let's see how we can do it.

Cables news fault, I reckon presently the internet and the continuous streaming of information have much more effect on the people's short attention span than cable news.

The tragedy of the World Trade Center during September 11 might be old news within 2 months if this occured during 2021 than on 2011. Social media presently is very much different 10 years ago. This is also very much similar to Russia vs. Ukraine and Israel vs. Hamas. Much of the people have stopped following them within months because there are many more information and distractions from the internet to be consumed.

In any case, on the elections in America, what would be the odds on Joe Biden on cancelling his candidacy?

People like you are a minority. Being an Indian, I would say that more than 90% of the Indians are with Russia. The same can be said about China as well. A majority of the world's population are solidly behind Russia, as they are tired of the Americans playing global police. And I am wondering why you are so upset with the Russian military intervention in a country where 80% of the population use Russian as the home language, but at the same time not bothered about the Americans invading and destroying third world nations such as Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan.

Have you ever wondered what would happen if Russia manages to occupy all of Ukraine? I tell you what will happen next if Russia occupies all of Ukraine: Russia will be unstoppable, it will occupy more territories in Europe and with every territory that Russia occupies, Russia will become very strong, I don't know if you don't know, but in the war it has a A large country with a very large number of people, having a large country with many resources makes this country an unbeatable empire. How many years would it take for Russia to completely destroy the USA if it is not stopped now? As long as the USA follows Trump's policies, they will become weak militarily, they may become strong economically, but it will be temporary because as long as Trump continues to make the USA great again as he thinks, Russia and China will be becoming giants.

and eventually Russia and China will destroy the USA and the world will be dominated by dictatorship. A few years ago I could agree with Trump, but today I see Trump's ideas as very bad. I say this because here in my country a small part is in conflict with terrorists, they burn people's houses, they cut off people's heads, they cut off people's legs and arms. They are terrorists supported by a certain Muslim country that hates the USA but is friends with Russia. When the government of my country paid the Wagner group to fight against the terrorists in my country, what happened was that the population of my country died mostly because of the Wagner group, because they kept firing missiles and hitting the terrorists along with the innocent population. my country's terrorists humiliatingly defeated the Wagner group

but thanks to the support of the USA, France, Rwanda and some African countries, they are managing to destroy the terrorists in my country. The Biden administration may not be perfect in terms of the US economy, but in terms of helping to fight Russia and terrorists, they are doing a good job. People will always die in war, to defend our country we need to fight for it. I believe that all Ukrainian people must fight until the enemy gives up. One should not accept being invaded and being colonized. this is wrong. in the same way that it is wrong for Russian politicians to send innocent Russians to fight while the children of rich Russians do not fight. I think Trump winning will be the best for the world. but it could be good for the Americans temporarily, because later the price they will pay will be very high, they will have an extremely strong Russia if it is not stopped early

The biggest problem with the media is that, X can be done by both candidates, and if one of them does X then they are terrible human beings that does nothing but a horrible thing, but then the candidate they like does the same X and suddenly it is a good thing. That will always be the thing that pisses me off the most, it is the same thing, they did the same thing, how come when one of them did it, they are national hero, and when the other does it, it is terrible?

You can see videos on youtube, when people talk about how X candidate did something, and people say it is horrible, and when they say "sorry it was Y candidate" and suddenly same person starts to defend the same thing. That is what is wrong with the world these days. Protecting your candidate when they do something wrong, and attacking the other side when they do the same exact thing.

I see things differently from yours and Democrats are still the way forward, they preserve their ideology till today and excess, divisiveness and others have also been avoided, which is why I prefer them. Talking about Biden and Trump, I don't think we have a choice now until another election after this, they are the frontrunners. I also think you are seeing it as individual personalities only and not the party ideology included, even with the two of them, there is a wide distinction in their principles and characters, we can't ignore that. Biden is far better off when it comes to a sane and progressive man. Regardless, nothing can still be done as it is now, the next US president will be either of the two, however, my preference will remain, Biden, even though it will be a keenly contested race this time, I am only neutral yet about who will win, and we shall see how it goes later this year.

The Democrats and the Republicans have truly produced better presidents, and even despite the ideologies of the republican parties, they have had an excellent president in the past who was able to maintain balance in every facet and not cause havoc or divisiveness, unlike Trump. I wonder how he expects that his merely 4 years in the office (that's if he wins) can change anything. He is just desperate to finish his tenure as the law permits, even though all that he believes he would do will be undone again if another president holds power after him with a different ideology which will likely happen. Just like Biden did when he became the president.

And it's cable news' fault.

I read somewhere that Rupert Murdoch said that they could've gotten away with Watergate if the media did not tell people why it was wrong.

He's the founder of the FOX empire in case you don't know.

So it doesn't get any more blatant than that. It's all about "Do not think for yourself, you are wrong, just listen to me!" and unfortunately it extends well beyond America.

Removing sanctions against Russia would be too blatant, in my opinion. You have some valid points on the behavior and policies of Trump about keeping jobs in the United States and try to keep money home, that is something he personally got involved in when car companies tried to outsource the making of their products in Mexico and he intervened for them to stay in USA, same with the commercial war against China and the artificial devaluation of their currency, etc.
But this conflict in eastern Europe is not matter of business or money, in my opinion, it is not okey for a big country to invade their smaller neighbors how Russia is doing.
I won't discuss the money management could have been better to about corruption, that is true.

For now, the Trump base is not as concerned about the future management of Trump of the conflict both in Ukraine and Palestine, their policy to focus on for now is retribution, whatever that means in the eyes in the Republican party under the control of Trump.

Honestly I can't say that I am in support of any specific party, but it looks like democrats and republicans are going way too radical these days to get votes, and that is the problem that USA has right now.

Back in the day, not too long ago, even during like Obama vs Romney periods, you couldn't really put that much difference between the two, sure they would say things that may looked different, just a bit, but what they would do looked quite similar and it was just deciding who the "spoke person" for the "establishment" was.

Maybe all this "get rid of the establishment" part ended up not that great for USA, because apparently that was good for them. Now? It looks like you are either voting for a racist homophobic bigot, or old senile person puppeted by lgbt radical feminist movements. Like, there is no middle ground anymore, you are either a person who hates minorities, or you are forced to say the right pronoun, those are the only options.

I have never seen Trump arguing to remove the sanctions against Russia. He is pro-US, not pro-Russia. All he want is to spend US tax money at home rather than wasting it in Ukraine. US has so far provided $200 billion plus in financial support to Ukraine. And what has been achieved till now? Around 300,000 dead Ukrainian soldiers and 20% of the territory in Russian hands. And a large part of this funds were stolen by corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs. Trump has a valid point, but for the Democrats anyone disagreeing with them is pro-Russian.

So you believe Trump being so friendly to Vladimir Putin and also holding several points of views which allign with the Russian interests are just a coincidence? It could be Trump's interests in Russia are mostly coming from a business point of view, since he alledgely wanted to expand his real state empire there in Moscow, but I am personally skeptical.
Granted, the United State media (not matter from what political sides comes from) can be very unfair and spread half-truths, in order to favor their favorite candidate. Trump could have had some economical interests in Russia, which were politically exaggerated to help the Democrat party win, though I am not crossing out the Russian asset theory yet.

I won't deny that since both Vivek and Ron DeSantis are already gone and both endorsing Donald, Trump is closer to getting the primaries in the back and facing Joe Biden, who has kept his mouth sealed tight when comes to taking about Trump lately, perhaps that will change once Trump becomes his formal political rival soon. Not holding much hope on Haley.

Well said my friend, many factors will determine the next president of the US, and if it has to be fair and sanely foresaw, I would see it for Biden in power too. But many criteria are to be considered here, and some of them are his age, whether he is fitting or not, and judging by the lapses of this current administration on some issues, people might be reconsidering. Talking about the economy, the inflation and the high Federal Funds Rate could be discouragements, many are just ignorant of the situation, and they will rather want to think negatively of another Biden administration than support it even as he is not guilty of that.

But Biden is not a tough guy when it comes to international relationships too, not until they were firing him with words before he started improving on that. People would take hold of that as well even as that is just a little among many factors to consider. But Trump might not be the best candidate if anyone is wise. Aside from the bad antecedent of the guy, what Trump is using has always been divisiveness, white supremacy, campaign emigration into the US and other things. But Trump is just greedy and unworthy, he shouldn't be the one mounting that mantle of power in the US again. I wonder what he would do with the theRussia-Ukraine war where Russia has destroyed key cities in Ukraine, his decision could be so ugly, and that would be painful. Above all, I think that I will remain neutral for now, maybe when we are closer to the time of the election properly, I will be able to ascertain a pick by then.

Regardless, I wish that Biden remains in power. I am a Democrat in proxy, and their rules have always treated and considered everyone reasonably.

@Sithara007. Agreed. Trump is a Russian agent was only black propaganda created by the Democrats as a defamation campaign against Trump to scare the people from voting for him. This did not work on his first attempt to run as president, however, it worked during the second attempt. On this third attempt? I am quite certain it will not work. The Democrats would need to have him convicted and find a legal reason for him not permitted to run.

The other Republican nominees have presently declared their support of Trump. There is nothing that will stop this man from becoming the next president of the most powerful country. 

There is no proof for these wild claims. If Trump is a Russian asset, then Obama was a Saudi asset. Trump is leading Biden by a wide margin in the polls and that is the reason why Democrats are resorting to these last ditch attempts to stop him from winning the elections. And now coming to Ukraine, almost 4-5 dozen nations including the US/EU have been supporting them for the last two years. What has they achieved till now? More than 20% of the area is still under the control of Russia, and Ukraine has lost most of it's military age population. Ukraine is running out of manpower. They can win only of NATO sends its own soldiers there.

I know this is a question which goes a little bit beyond the topic of this thread, when comes to gambling, etc.
However, you got me very curious about it. Why are you so sure the support for Ukraine from the United States will not stop under the presidency of the Donald Trump? He has been accused in the past years of being almost a Russian asset, the same way other Republican and right figures are in the American political landscape, being a good example the figure of Tucker Carlson.

Perhaps, you mean that the support for your country will continue to come from other sources like the European Union, if the United States quits with their support, even if the EU stays, the USA withdrawval could be determinant on the future of Ukraine. And Putin is very aware of it, hence why the Russian troll farms are so supportive for Trump and against the democrat party.

I agree with you, he does have a chance. According to gamblers, he is 1.5x more likely to win the elections than Biden



and that can't be completely ignored. As a citizen of Ukraine, a country that highly depends on US support, I'm ready for his win because I'm sure under him the support will not stop. As a gambler I'm ready too because I didn't actually place any bets on Biden. I would, but the multiplier has been always too small for me.