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Quote from: wallet4bitcoin on January 19, 2024, 05:32:40 PM

Its a total waste of time to bet on anyone to win the USA elections this year.

The cores of politics has been made a caricature thereby leaving the irrelevant points and considerations to become the order of the day.

Biden, under normal circumstances isn't supposed to either continue or contest for the presidency of the United States owing to his health conditions but I won't be surprised to see him on the ballot come 2024 general elections

in fact, gamblers no longer need to waste their time and money betting because we already know who will win, namely trump. in terms of votes, he has secured his position in several states and so far he has the upper hand as a candidate from the republican party. meanwhile, on the other hand, the democratic party has not yet found a suitable candidate to face trump and they still need to consolidate to determine the candidate who will advance in the next election.

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Quote from: odunybiz on January 19, 2024, 05:35:14 PM

Most we bet on everything the bookies offer us. Just like you have said, I think this kind of bet should be a bet for fun for gamblers leaving in the state and for those outside USA that are interested in the election.

The bookies will always bring up something to keep them relevant in the eyes of the gamblers and always device a means to getting money out of their pockets and that's why they will always bring up more things which you can gamble on jus to make you think that you have got more chances to win by looking at what's been offered.

Election results are things that have a high probability of knowing who the winner could possibly be especially when there's a president who would want to use his influence of incumbency to gather votes but then the bookies always have their edge in cases like this, except for fun I don't see the necessities in gambling on election results as this and the odds will definitely not be high because there are only two options which is either the democrats or the republicans wins so if it's that plane then most of the gamblers would win especially those who actually gamble in favor of the actual winner.

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Quote from: Hispo on January 19, 2024, 06:19:13 PM

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Though, we should also consider the posibility that strategy of Nikki Haley of not to debate whether Trump is not present, it could possibly backfire to her in the long term, in spite of the initial positive response she has received from the public. She is doing this because she assumes Donald Trump would never dare to debate her, but in the case Trump actually accepts to debate her, then she would be in big trouble.
Trump has more merits on being a bully and belittling his opponents than Nikki has, even if Nikki is continuing to go in the campaign in order to have a hope to be selected as Vice President by Trump, then if she goes into debating Trump, fully attacking him, then she would be burning all her chances for Trump to selected her.
Donald Trump is the kind of person who would never like to run side by side with someone who has committed the "terrible mistake" of personally insulting him.

In reality, I think Nikki does not have to debate Trump. She wants to give off an sure of rightousness and professionalism as an establishment politician. But not much beyond that.

In debate there will always be various dramas occurring and of course there will also be many mistakes in expressing statements.
This is also one of the reasons why Trump always avoids having the momentum of debate with each election candidate.
But in some countries, debate events are very important and must be attended by all candidates from presidential candidates to vice presidential candidates, but for the US I can understand it because the way elections work there is also quite different.

So far, Nikki Haley is very excited to have the advantage but for some reason there is lot of discussion and news that is not very positive about what she will do.
If Nikki Haley really wants chance of getting the decision to become Trump deputy then she needs to be completely careful and not make the slightest mistake that could mean that Trump might no longer sympathize with her.
This is politics where anyone who can take heart and be the best can be partnered to rise to the top and win, but various obstacles will definitely be presented, especially from other candidates.

Yes, if the goal is just to gain sympathy then there is no need to be able to debate with Trump and Nikki Haley just needs to focus on the campaign she can carry out.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on January 20, 2024, 12:52:49 AM

Quote from: Hispo on January 19, 2024, 06:19:13 PM

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That good and when Trump decides to debate then obviously Nikki Haley will be present and give what she needs to say, this will be momentum where every candidate including Trump can show what he will do in the future.
But on the other hand, when Trump decides to debate, maybe Nikki Haley will carry out active attacks in the debate they will be having, usually there will be various statements to be able to knock each other down and look for opportunities to gain more value from the public point of view.
From this it can be concluded that Trump will consider whether he will take part in the debate and he definitely does not want any statements that might embarrass him, but Trump is smart enough person that he can turn things around to make profit for himself.

The states that are owned will not be able to produce greater percentage of votes.
It all depends on how De Santis campaigns and also wins the hearts of the people there because the competition is very tight and of course each candidate will canvass each region to be able to get the same vote results. more.
But it is true that if De Santis does not have winning percentage in Florida then his career in politics will fade.

Though, we should also consider the posibility that strategy of Nikki Haley of not to debate whether Trump is not present, it could possibly backfire to her in the long term, in spite of the initial positive response she has received from the public. She is doing this because she assumes Donald Trump would never dare to debate her, but in the case Trump actually accepts to debate her, then she would be in big trouble.
Trump has more merits on being a bully and belittling his opponents than Nikki has, even if Nikki is continuing to go in the campaign in order to have a hope to be selected as Vice President by Trump, then if she goes into debating Trump, fully attacking him, then she would be burning all her chances for Trump to selected her.
Donald Trump is the kind of person who would never like to run side by side with someone who has committed the "terrible mistake" of personally insulting him.

In reality, I think Nikki does not have to debate Trump. She wants to give off an sure of rightousness and professionalism as an establishment politician. But not much beyond that.

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Quote from: Hispo on January 19, 2024, 06:19:13 PM

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That good and when Trump decides to debate then obviously Nikki Haley will be present and give what she needs to say, this will be momentum where every candidate including Trump can show what he will do in the future.
But on the other hand, when Trump decides to debate, maybe Nikki Haley will carry out active attacks in the debate they will be having, usually there will be various statements to be able to knock each other down and look for opportunities to gain more value from the public point of view.
From this it can be concluded that Trump will consider whether he will take part in the debate and he definitely does not want any statements that might embarrass him, but Trump is smart enough person that he can turn things around to make profit for himself.

The states that are owned will not be able to produce greater percentage of votes.
It all depends on how De Santis campaigns and also wins the hearts of the people there because the competition is very tight and of course each candidate will canvass each region to be able to get the same vote results. more.
But it is true that if De Santis does not have winning percentage in Florida then his career in politics will fade.

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Quote from: wallet4bitcoin on January 19, 2024, 05:32:40 PM

Its a total waste of time to bet on anyone to win the USA elections this year.

The cores of politics has been made a caricature thereby leaving the irrelevant points and considerations to become the order of the day.

Biden, under normal circumstances isn't supposed to either continue or contest for the presidency of the United States owing to his health conditions but I won't be surprised to see him on the ballot come 2024 general elections

The last time I checked the bets they had Trump as the winner of the election.

Still a long way to go, but that's the current situation.

I think it's actually a bit wild to be able to bet on anything really.

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Quote from: wheelz1200 on January 19, 2024, 05:25:22 PM

Quote from: Hispo on January 19, 2024, 05:20:07 PM

I don't know if many of you have been paying attention to the recent happenings going on in Iowa and in New Hampshire. It seems Vivek has finally given up on his presidential aspirations and get all the way down to endorse Trump. It is pretty much an strategy to see whether he can become his Running mate in my opinion.
Meanwhile, it seems Nikki Haley is getting closer to concentrate some of the voter base in NH, enough to get Trump nervous about her and continue to attack her even rougher and harder.

I am predicting DeSantis to drop out the race and leave the rest of the race to be a rescue of two, it will be specially humiliating to him, and if Trumps manages to get into the presidency, then it will be very dark days for DeSantis politicsl career. At this point, I would not be surprised to learn Haley's odds have increased overall in the most of the gambling market.

It is still very unlikely for her to defeat Trump, but she has just got a lil bit closer to that possibly. She may even get more money from donors.

What do you think?

Honestly I agree with all of that. DeSantis is fading and it will get ugly with trump and Nikki Haley debating, but I kind of want to see those 2 debate. Trump has to be the clear favorite to come out on that side. I haven't checked any of the odds but what are the current odds for Joey B, trump and Nikki Haley? It's certainly going to be an entertaining 11 months from here.

It would be more entertaining if Trump decided to debate, the odds would be more volatile and we could speculate more on the future of the Presidential race if Trump found himself in a position where he needed to debate.
Nikki Haley has recently understood that his opponent is not De Santis, but Trump, so she made clear did not want to appear in a debate where Trump was not present, it only makes De Santis to be even put in a third layer of importance.

I am specially eager to see how the primaries in Florida are going to be, keeping in mind it is the home state of De Santis, if he does not get a very good percentage there, it would be the end to his political career, in my opinion.

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I don't want to bet in any elections because of the surveys being handled by survey agencies, these survey agencies are good at predicting the right winner and even the percentages of the leads.
I can cite one example and it's my country where it accurately predicted the result for the past 30 years, and even in America, survey companies are good at predicting the outcome so it's no use making bet on predictions.
We can do our betting right after the announcement of the party's representative but it's useless during the campaign, especially now that everything is automated.

These type of bets are for people who can't live without betting on anything,even in rooster fight and something similar those lines.These kind of persons find it amusing to bet on any event that bookies offer them to bet on but for most gamblers they don't really care much about presidential elections,well except people living in the USA which most of them would love to bet on this race as they get a feeling of pride if they find out that their favorite has indeed won the elections.The automation has a big incident in 2016 Trump rigged elections by Russian "friends" so I think they should have worked it out now otherwise it would be useless.

Most we bet on everything the bookies offer us. Just like you have said, I think this kind of bet should be a bet for fun for gamblers leaving in the state and for those outside USA that are interested in the election.

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Its a total waste of time to bet on anyone to win the USA elections this year.

The cores of politics has been made a caricature thereby leaving the irrelevant points and considerations to become the order of the day.

Biden, under normal circumstances isn't supposed to either continue or contest for the presidency of the United States owing to his health conditions but I won't be surprised to see him on the ballot come 2024 general elections

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Quote from: Hispo on January 19, 2024, 05:20:07 PM

I don't know if many of you have been paying attention to the recent happenings going on in Iowa and in New Hampshire. It seems Vivek has finally given up on his presidential aspirations and get all the way down to endorse Trump. It is pretty much an strategy to see whether he can become his Running mate in my opinion.
Meanwhile, it seems Nikki Haley is getting closer to concentrate some of the voter base in NH, enough to get Trump nervous about her and continue to attack her even rougher and harder.

I am predicting DeSantis to drop out the race and leave the rest of the race to be a rescue of two, it will be specially humiliating to him, and if Trumps manages to get into the presidency, then it will be very dark days for DeSantis politicsl career. At this point, I would not be surprised to learn Haley's odds have increased overall in the most of the gambling market.

It is still very unlikely for her to defeat Trump, but she has just got a lil bit closer to that possibly. She may even get more money from donors.

What do you think?

Honestly I agree with all of that. DeSantis is fading and it will get ugly with trump and Nikki Haley debating, but I kind of want to see those 2 debate. Trump has to be the clear favorite to come out on that side. I haven't checked any of the odds but what are the current odds for Joey B, trump and Nikki Haley? It's certainly going to be an entertaining 11 months from here.

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I don't know if many of you have been paying attention to the recent happenings going on in Iowa and in New Hampshire. It seems Vivek has finally given up on his presidential aspirations and get all the way down to endorse Trump. It is pretty much an strategy to see whether he can become his Running mate in my opinion.
Meanwhile, it seems Nikki Haley is getting closer to concentrate some of the voter base in NH, enough to get Trump nervous about her and continue to attack her even rougher and harder.

I am predicting DeSantis to drop out the race and leave the rest of the race to be a rescue of two, it will be specially humiliating to him, and if Trumps manages to get into the presidency, then it will be very dark days for DeSantis politicsl career. At this point, I would not be surprised to learn Haley's odds have increased overall in the most of the gambling market.

It is still very unlikely for her to defeat Trump, but she has just got a lil bit closer to that possibly. She may even get more money from donors.

What do you think?

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Quote from: STT on January 15, 2024, 09:42:19 AM

My biggest take away from the Republican race is that the infighting and toxic nature to it all will divide and conqueror their chances to put up reasonable opposition. This is confirming a further Democrat win or reelection is most probable as the outcome. So I would place bets on that being the final ending to this race, most likely that means Biden. Though many might criticize Biden over his age, even his own political allies thought he was too late in life to come to power as I read it but I think as an administration he can continue. The main deal to Biden continuing is the economy and thats how I judge it really, the rest is chaos and distracting.

Politics in the US these days is really divided.

There is rarely a debate with nuance, it is all about "the other side is bad".

So in the end many people are simply voting for anything that is "Not X, and not Y", etc, instead of actually voting for a person that represents their goals and ideas.

It is an incredibly divided country.

And it is getting more divided every year.

TV, Twitter, and other social media, simply puts a single phrase to enrage people and it works.

Attention span of people is way down to what it used to be.

If you watch an old interview (say from the 70s, 80s, etc) you realize how different people were in those times. They spoke better, they had independent ideas, they could phrase their ideas and have a conversation for half an hour, no problem. Even if people disagreed, they talked about it.

Now it's just two seconds saying something, and then posting it on the internet. No nuance, just hatred.

One does not even need to go that back in time to realize things have changed for the worse in the United States, when I was younger I gave a look the political content from the United States and the debate and the ideas were very different from what we see nowadays. For example, in the 2000s-2010 and typical political debate between the Republican lawmakers and the Democrat ones was whether they were supposed to touch the percentage of tax rate for citizens or keep it as it was. Nowadays, the Republicans are not even talking about decreasing the tax rates, they want to defund the IRS, to cut their funding so they cannot audit as efficiently as they are supposed to if they wanted to continue to catch cheaters within the tax system.

In my opinion, all the weird stuff going on the that country only makes it harder to bet on a candidate, because back in those years it was easier to tell which candidate had less chances and which one appealed more to the voting base. We are in an era when a candidate with up to 91 criminal accounts and election denier is the front runner of the GOP, when politics used to be normal, such a candidate would have been kicked by the party itself, not anymore.

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Quote from: STT on January 15, 2024, 09:42:19 AM

My biggest take away from the Republican race is that the infighting and toxic nature to it all will divide and conqueror their chances to put up reasonable opposition. This is confirming a further Democrat win or reelection is most probable as the outcome. So I would place bets on that being the final ending to this race, most likely that means Biden. Though many might criticize Biden over his age, even his own political allies thought he was too late in life to come to power as I read it but I think as an administration he can continue. The main deal to Biden continuing is the economy and thats how I judge it really, the rest is chaos and distracting.

Politics in the US these days is really divided.

There is rarely a debate with nuance, it is all about "the other side is bad".

So in the end many people are simply voting for anything that is "Not X, and not Y", etc, instead of actually voting for a person that represents their goals and ideas.

It is an incredibly divided country.

And it is getting more divided every year.

TV, Twitter, and other social media, simply puts a single phrase to enrage people and it works.

Attention span of people is way down to what it used to be.

If you watch an old interview (say from the 70s, 80s, etc) you realize how different people were in those times. They spoke better, they had independent ideas, they could phrase their ideas and have a conversation for half an hour, no problem. Even if people disagreed, they talked about it.

Now it's just two seconds saying something, and then posting it on the internet. No nuance, just hatred.

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Quote from: Betwrong on January 15, 2024, 08:13:01 AM

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Yes, I remember you posted about your small bet which turned out well, so decided to cash out.
Joe Biden is the logical candidate for this incoming elections, but you must be aware the American politics are going though a very difficult and weird stage where facts and logic do not completely matter anymore to advance within the world of polítics. If this was a normal election in the United States, then Trump would not even be the anticipated winner of the Republican primaries. Back some years ago, some presidential candidate being indicted once would have been translated into the death of their political career, instead of it we see the contrary.
Because of the precedents Trump has managed to establish (which could have been considered impossible before) I am still holding myself from betting in favor of Joe Biden, I may expect some months to pass by before deciding what to do.

Also, because of the importance of this elections and how much they are being publicized in social Media and the regular media, I would not be surprised if the volume of bets out reached the level of previous years and presidential elections.

I just heard the other day Jordan Peterson saying that everybody would forget about Tramp by now, but all this fuss over him in the latter months did the impossible: he's back on top. His popularity has grown big time, but being popular is not enough for becoming the President of the United States. That's why Bruce Willis was never considered a worthy candidate.

I am aware that you consider that Trump does not have as many chances to become the president again as so many people suggest on the internet and outside of the internet, but one cannot ignore how Trump is not only popular as a public Figure , he has managed to accumulate political power even without holding any office at the time being.
Sure, previous polls gave winning numbers to Republicans and they ended up lossing, specially in the midterm elections, those are the same polls which speak favorably about Trump. It makes me think those polls may not longer represent reality to an extent they are not useful to predict anything anymore or people does not answer with honesty when asked about their prefered candidate for the Presidency.
Anyways, I am not saying he is going to win,.but I am more careful when comes to say he does not have a chance. Because to me it seems he does...

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My biggest take away from the Republican race is that the infighting and toxic nature to it all will divide and conqueror their chances to put up reasonable opposition. This is confirming a further Democrat win or reelection is most probable as the outcome. So I would place bets on that being the final ending to this race, most likely that means Biden. Though many might criticize Biden over his age, even his own political allies thought he was too late in life to come to power as I read it but I think as an administration he can continue. The main deal to Biden continuing is the economy and thats how I judge it really, the rest is chaos and distracting.

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Quote from: Hispo on January 08, 2024, 10:45:07 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on January 08, 2024, 09:17:55 AM

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Yes, I remember you posted about your small bet which turned out well, so decided to cash out.
Joe Biden is the logical candidate for this incoming elections, but you must be aware the American politics are going though a very difficult and weird stage where facts and logic do not completely matter anymore to advance within the world of polítics. If this was a normal election in the United States, then Trump would not even be the anticipated winner of the Republican primaries. Back some years ago, some presidential candidate being indicted once would have been translated into the death of their political career, instead of it we see the contrary.
Because of the precedents Trump has managed to establish (which could have been considered impossible before) I am still holding myself from betting in favor of Joe Biden, I may expect some months to pass by before deciding what to do.

Also, because of the importance of this elections and how much they are being publicized in social Media and the regular media, I would not be surprised if the volume of bets out reached the level of previous years and presidential elections.

I just heard the other day Jordan Peterson saying that everybody would forget about Tramp by now, but all this fuss over him in the latter months did the impossible: he's back on top. His popularity has grown big time, but being popular is not enough for becoming the President of the United States. That's why Bruce Willis was never considered a worthy candidate.

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Quote from: FanEagle on January 12, 2024, 05:52:46 AM

To be fair, there is really no candidates aside from Biden or Trump, those are the ones that will fight in the end. There are two situations of course that could change this, what could this be? Trump getting locked up, or just simply not allowed to run is one of them, he is already out of one state, and maybe that would not matter all that much, but if a few more states follow up, it would not make sense for him to run.

Secondly, Biden is too old, and I mean like really old, and seems like he is not fully up there, if he gets some sort of sickness that is beyond recoverable, then it may cause him to not run, or not even be able to run. Aside from these type of situations where they can't, there is no way these two are not getting the nominations.

I agree, though you must consider that while those situation you mentioned can be very unlikely to happen, they are still possible. In the case of Trump, the choice of removing him from the ballot will completely depend on the Supreme Court of the United States, which is likely to order him to stay on the ballot.
In the case of Biden, he may be of an advanced age, though that is rather a talking point which is used by the Republican party to attack him, they rather to talk about it instead of economics.
I would have wished Biden to have more foes in the Democrat nomination, but the media ignored most of them. It is kind of ridiculous. Even if Biden for some reason was replaced with someone younger and more talkative, it would be positive for the Democrat party, the polls may suggest the talking point of his age may actually have reached the opinions of some of the Democrats voters.

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To be fair, there is really no candidates aside from Biden or Trump, those are the ones that will fight in the end. There are two situations of course that could change this, what could this be? Trump getting locked up, or just simply not allowed to run is one of them, he is already out of one state, and maybe that would not matter all that much, but if a few more states follow up, it would not make sense for him to run.

Secondly, Biden is too old, and I mean like really old, and seems like he is not fully up there, if he gets some sort of sickness that is beyond recoverable, then it may cause him to not run, or not even be able to run. Aside from these type of situations where they can't, there is no way these two are not getting the nominations.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on January 11, 2024, 10:12:44 AM

The thing about supporting another family member is that people do not really consider them to be the point of attack, Ivanka, or any other Trump basically, will not be loved by all, Donald was, and not by all, there were a lot of people who hate him, still do, but there were enough that loved him to overcome that once, and not enough once, he joined 2 elections, won one and lost another. Any other Trump? I do not think that they would get that much attention and love, not enough time left to build that campaign.

I believe Donald Trump could still designate one of his family members and get away with it, I dont think that strategy would lose much support, because people would assume Trump would continue to give advice and instructions to that family member or perhaps that family member would make sure to let people know they would hire Donald Trump as an advisor for the presidency. Though, that would not give Donald Trump the previous presidential immunity he had, so he will still get send to prison for his alleged crimes committed in the state of Georgia. The rest of the crimes which are federal ones could be pardoned by his family member as soon as it gets within the White House. The only thing which could get in his way with comes to this plan would be his own ego, he would not be happy to hold any other position different from the presidency if the United States.

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The thing about supporting another family member is that people do not really consider them to be the point of attack, Ivanka, or any other Trump basically, will not be loved by all, Donald was, and not by all, there were a lot of people who hate him, still do, but there were enough that loved him to overcome that once, and not enough once, he joined 2 elections, won one and lost another. Any other Trump? I do not think that they would get that much attention and love, not enough time left to build that campaign.

I believe that if he is not nominated, if he is not allowed to run, all he can do would be support another republican, and we all know his ego, we are 100% certain that if he is not allowed to run, he would want republicans to lose, just so he could say he would have won.

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